"Karma" means "Action" so "Bad Karma" = "Bad Action" & "Bad Action" have consequences

david starling

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Re: "Karma" means "Action" so "Bad Karma" = "Bad Action" & "Bad Action" have conseque

Does the concept of "karma" still work if there's no reincarnation?
 

JUPITERASC

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Does the concept of "karma" still work if there's no reincarnation?
The word "karma" simply means "action" :smile:

for the word "karma" simply substitute the word "action"

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david starling

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The karmic description of cause and effect in thought, word and deed seems so obvious to me now. But, thinking back, I did have to learn it the hard way. :pinched:
 

aquarius7000

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This is why the concept of Heaven and Hell exists. And Reincarnation also. Consequences in "this life" often seem unfair.
Why are two kids of the same parent so different, with one making it successfully to the top in career, marriage, etc., whilst the second having poor health, which perhaps leads to problems with most everything in life. The concept of reincarnation along with deeds (karma) of the past lives could be applied there.
 

JUPITERASC

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Re: "Karma" means "Action" so "Bad Karma" = "Bad Action" & "Bad Action" have conseque


Why are two kids of the same parent so different,
with one making it successfully to the top in career, marriage, etc.,
whilst the second having poor health,
which perhaps leads to problems with most everything in life.
The concept of reincarnation along with deeds (karma)
of the past lives
could be applied there.


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Chrysalis

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Re: "Karma" means "Action" so "Bad Karma" = "Bad Action" & "Bad Action" have conseque

So if someone kills someone, does this mean that in their next life they will have bad karma attached, so will live their next life not be so good.....maybe one of their off springs or loved one gets murdered for instance.

But then what about if the person killed someone, but that person was their abuser for how many years and they'd finally cracked, and murdered them in cold blood down the line.

Who gets the karma here, the abuser or the killer ?
 

david starling

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Re: "Karma" means "Action" so "Bad Karma" = "Bad Action" & "Bad Action" have conseque

Most importantly, it's not about blame or punishment. It's just the way it works. Like physics. Helping those in need, even if they're in need because of their own past, bad karma, is good karma. Not helping them, when you have the ability and opportunity, is bad karma on the part of those who could have helped. We're all in it together, and what goes around, comes around.
 

JUPITERASC

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Re: "Karma" means "Action" so "Bad Karma" = "Bad Action" & "Bad Action" have conseque


So if someone kills someone, does this mean
that in their next life
they will have bad karma attached
so will live their next life
not be so good.....
maybe one of their off springs
or loved one gets murdered
for instance.

But then what about if
the person killed someone
but that person
was their abuser
for how many years
and they'd finally cracked,
and murdered them
in cold blood
down the line.

Who gets the karma here,
the abuser
or the killer ?

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JUPITERASC

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Re: "Karma" means "Action" so "Bad Karma" = "Bad Action" & "Bad Action" have conseque


Most importantly,
it's not about blame or punishment.
It's just the way it works.
Like physics.
Helping those in need,
even if they're in need because of their own past, bad karma,
is good karma.
Not helping them,
when you have the ability and opportunity,
is bad karma
on the part of those who could have helped.
We're all in it together,
and what goes around, comes around.

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Chrysalis

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Re: "Karma" means "Action" so "Bad Karma" = "Bad Action" & "Bad Action" have conseque

But who gets the karma the abuser or the killer of the abuser ?

What about someone who's been locked up most of their life due to killing their whole family that the justice system seen as very cold and deranged and heartless and that this person deserved life.

But what about if that person was not loved as a child, his sister always got the love and he didn't, as truthfully he wasn't wanted. This person got blamed for everything, no love, wasn't treated very nice, was always the bad apple....etc.

One point in his life he went home as he left home when young, and whilst walking through the door he overheard his mum, dad, sister all speaking bad about him saying they're glad hes moved out and that he is not needed in this family etc.

He loses his **** after how he was treated in the past.....he out of anger and sad rage, finds his dads gun in the garage and out of nowhere kills them all.

Now really is this guy really the bad one here ?
 

JUPITERASC

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Re: "Karma" means "Action" so "Bad Karma" = "Bad Action" & "Bad Action" have conseque


But who gets the karma
the abuser or the killer of the abuser ?

What about someone
who's been locked up most of their life
due to killing their whole family
that the justice system seen as very cold and deranged
and heartless and that this person deserved life.

But what about if that person
was not loved as a child,
his sister always got the love
and he didn't, as truthfully he wasn't wanted.
This person got blamed for everything,
no love, wasn't treated very nice,
was always the bad apple....etc.

One point in his life he went home
as he left home when young,
and whilst walking through the door
he overheard his mum, dad, sister
all speaking bad about him s
aying they're glad hes moved out
and that he is not needed in this family etc.

He loses his **** a
fter how he was treated in the past.....
he out of anger and sad rage,
finds his dads gun in the garage
and out of nowhere kills them all.

Now really is this guy really the bad one here ?

more than one lifetime :smile:
Most importantly, it's not about blame or punishment.
It's just the way it works.
Like physics.

Helping those in need, even if they're in need because of their own past, bad karma, is good karma. Not helping them, when you have the ability and opportunity, is bad karma on the part of those who could have helped. We're all in it together, and what goes around, comes around.

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Re: "Karma" means "Action" so "Bad Karma" = "Bad Action" & "Bad Action" have conseque

So if someone kills someone, does this mean that in their next life they will have bad karma attached, so will live their next life not be so good.....maybe one of their off springs or loved one gets murdered for instance.

But then what about if the person killed someone, but that person was their abuser for how many years and they'd finally cracked, and murdered them in cold blood down the line.

Who gets the karma here, the abuser or the killer ?

A tormented soul would end it's life by finishing the culprit, a theory.
 

conspiracy theorist

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Re: "Karma" means "Action" so "Bad Karma" = "Bad Action" & "Bad Action" have conseque

I've come to view karma as a sort of physics that is not governed by any human morality. What a human sees as good or evil has no bearing on actions that stem from other actions.
Let me try to illustrate.

A particular boy is born into a particular family. From the outset the boy has gained genetic traits that will predispose him to react to situations in a particular way. For instance he may be more disagreeable and confrontational than the average person. Already we see karma playing out because the child has already been 'acted upon' by virtue of his birth.

His rough childhood has its origins in an earlier time where his parents were both raised in harsh and unloving environments, which they then decided to carry on to the child. We can get even more detailed , outlining the actions that led to each individuals current state physically, mentally, psychologically. If you stretch things far enough, you see that every single thing that occurs has to happen, as they were set into motion by a cause that happened, sometimes in an age where you can't even recollect. The reason that I'm on AW right now is because my mother had a linda goodman book when she was a child (I have to put the origin somewhere). The reason that the man was imprisoned not only lies in his immediate circle of his family, but also the fact that he was born in a country that happened to develop along specific lines, creating a judicial system that punishes the behaviours that he is dominant in. Also every policeman, attorney, judge, jury and all of their journeys up to the point where they all converged, which resulted in the man's arrest.

All actions, no inherent cast of good and evil a part from how individuals decide to interpret it. And due to the inherent imperfection of human knowledge, you're more likelier than not to make a mistake, disregard key components, or make a declaration based on passion and bias than give a proper treatment of a situation to do it "justice". Motion with no moral colouring.
 

Chrysalis

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But Jup your not answering my question on WHO deserves the karma in that example.

Another example, a guy falls in love with a girl...but she just uses him for his money, so keeps him there only for this. The guy is really deeply in love with her and is blind to what shes doing, finds out she's been cheating on him with other guys throughout the r'ship.....he kills her out of love/hate/passion.

Shes the one who led him on for selfish reasons, so why is he getting the karma of being locked up for this.

Hes locked up for numerous years and shes living her life nicely.
 

JUPITERASC

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Re: "Karma" means "Action" so "Bad Karma" = "Bad Action" & "Bad Action" have conseque


But Jup your not answering my question
on WHO deserves the karma in that example.

Another example, a guy falls in love with a girl
...but she just uses him for his money,
so keeps him there only for this.
The guy is really deeply in love with her
and is blind to what shes doing,
finds out she's been cheating on him
with other guys throughout the r'ship.....
he kills her out of love/hate/passion.

Shes the one who led him on for selfish reasons,
so why is he getting the karma of being locked up for this.

Hes locked up for numerous years
and shes living her life nicely.

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Chrysalis

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Re: "Karma" means "Action" so "Bad Karma" = "Bad Action" & "Bad Action" have conseque

I've come to view karma as a sort of physics that is not governed by any human morality. What a human sees as good or evil has no bearing on actions that stem from other actions.
Let me try to illustrate.

A particular boy is born into a particular family. From the outset the boy has gained genetic traits that will predispose him to react to situations in a particular way. For instance he may be more disagreeable and confrontational than the average person. Already we see karma playing out because the child has already been 'acted upon' by virtue of his birth.

His rough childhood has its origins in an earlier time where his parents were both raised in harsh and unloving environments, which they then decided to carry on to the child. We can get even more detailed , outlining the actions that led to each individuals current state physically, mentally, psychologically. If you stretch things far enough, you see that every single thing that occurs has to happen, as they were set into motion by a cause that happened, sometimes in an age where you can't even recollect. The reason that I'm on AW right now is because my mother had a linda goodman book when she was a child (I have to put the origin somewhere). The reason that the man was imprisoned not only lies in his immediate circle of his family, but also the fact that he was born in a country that happened to develop along specific lines, creating a judicial system that punishes the behaviours that he is dominant in. Also every policeman, attorney, judge, jury and all of their journeys up to the point where they all converged, which resulted in the man's arrest.

All actions, no inherent cast of good and evil a part from how individuals decide to interpret it. And due to the inherent imperfection of human knowledge, you're more likelier than not to make a mistake, disregard key components, or make a declaration based on passion and bias than give a proper treatment of a situation to do it "justice". Motion with no moral colouring.

This is really interesting CT with how you've brought this across, i need to re-read a few times for it to sink in though, but i like your theory.

Btw was your Mums book the "Sunsigns, Linda Goodman" book about the signs? I have this one...its a good indepth book on each sign.
 
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