Rethinking Mercury in Pisces..

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david starling

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Yeah, I have Merc. mid-Pisces (in H1). Impatient with rules and formulas, but I can follow and use them if necessary. I prefer original-thinking to rote. One person's character-flaw is another's valuable character-trait!
 
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katydid

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Oddity said:
Mercury separates, sorts, divides, contests. It destabilises things, or tries to.

Jupiter tries to pull it all together and see the big picture. It tries to stabilise things.

They're both important for critical thinking, but they just don't work well in each other's houses.

As for Mercury and the double bullet - there's a wonderful mythological explanation here: https://altairastrology.wordpress.com/2006/09/26/the-horoscope-of-the-world/
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WOW. That really resonates with me. I am always trying to figure out one of the strongest aspects in my chart.

Jupiter/Taurus in the 12th, conjunct the ASC, exactly opposed Mercury in Scorpio.

This Mercury/Jupiter opposition has a lot to do with my urge to study astrology which began when I was only 13 or so. It was like I needed to find a way to understand the complexities of the Universe. :innocent:
 
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david starling

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Mercury keeps it moving. Pisces can use that! So can its back-to-back ally, Virgo. Mercury tells Virgo "that's perfect enough, at least for now". Jupiter was the Sky god, armed with the lightening Trident of power. So he controlled the entire atmosphere of Earth. Mercury was his messenger, controlling the Wind, which keeps the atmosphere kinetic.

"Make Your Mind a Flute"

Make your mind a flute
In it you will find wooden plugs
When these are uncorked, wind will blow through your head
Making many notes.
[Chameleon Gubudu]

Mind-blowing--what a concept!
 
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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
Mercury keeps it moving.
Pisces can use that!
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Pisces is a mutable sign and therefore already changeable
so does not require Mercury to "keep it moving" :smile:

david starling said:
So can its back-to-back ally, Virgo. Mercury tells Virgo "that's perfect enough, at least for now". Jupiter was the Sky god, armed with the lightening Trident of power. So he controlled the entire atmosphere of Earth. Mercury was his messenger, controlling the Wind, which keeps the atmosphere kinetic.

"Make Your Mind a Flute"

Make your mind a flute
In it you will find wooden plugs
When these are uncorked, wind will blow through your head
Making many notes.
[Chameleon Gubudu]

Mind-blowing--what a concept!
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david starling

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Pisces changes slooowly. In today's fast-paced world, a little pick-me-up comes in handy. Kind of like a strong cup of coffee to to get you going! But still, better late than never.:lol:
 
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Julia Karmic Astrology

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JUPITERASC said:
Aries Jupiter brings us to Aries ruler Mars & a solar eclipse that ticks all those boxes
could mean that your natal Mars is in domicile in traditional Scorpio :smile:
and natal Sun is near enough 5 degrees Pisces
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My Mars in is Scorpio and Sun is 6 degrees Pisces.
3h Mars is inconjunct Jup in Aries, which has been known to get me in trouble.
I think you are giving me an answer on why. :(
 
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Julia Karmic Astrology

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JUPITERASC said:
Methinks your natal Aquarius Mercurys ruler
is an Exalted Saturn in 2nd Whole Sign house :smile:
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Geesh, I guess this is why my Saturn is too big for his britches and get me into trouble. :sideways:

On a karmic level this is kind of neat, Saturn is Lord of Karma, and a master teacher. And moving it to the 2h means it is a karmic gift in this life. I am glad he has chosen a comfortable place in my chart. :)
 
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JUPITERASC

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Julia Karmic Astrology said:
Geesh, I guess this is why my Saturn is too big for his britches and get me into trouble. :sideways:

On a karmic level this is kind of neat, Saturn is Lord of Karma, and a master teacher.
And moving it to the 2h means it is a karmic gift in this life.
I am glad he has chosen a comfortable place in my chart. :)
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'karma' means 'action'
and actions have consequences

Saturn is the Lord aka domicile ruler of Capricorn and Aquarius

Main Rulerships of 2nd House :smile:
Resources, material comforts, earnings
and all issues concerning wealth or of a financial nature.
Personal goods and belongings, assets, income, gain, money lent to others,
profit (or loss when afflicted), support and assistance from others http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h2.html
 
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david starling

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The more I look at it, the more it seems the concept of rulership at all doesn't fit into the modern schemata. Not a criticism. An observation.[/QUOTE]

Oddity, I think it's logically the reverse: Modern Rulership doesn't fit into the Traditional schemata. Your question seems to be: Does Modern Rulership HAVE a schemata of its own (or at least one you can personally relate to).
Leaving that question aside for now, Mercury in Pisces brings Mercury into contact with Piscean Rulership (whether it's Jupiter, Neptune, or both). If it's Neptune, and we associate one's "thought-process" with Merc., there would be a preference for the Big Picture, the forest first, THEN the trees, in that context. Jupiter is expansive and goal-oriented, and would bring greater clarity; still Big Picture, but less imaginative and more fact-oriented than Neptune. Together, not a bad combination! But, I see your point--the terms dignities and disabilities are Traditional, so Neptune, whatever its virtues as a Ruler of Pisces, doesn't fit this Forum, even though it's in keeping with the Thread from a Modern perspective. Maybe this Forum should be included in the Trad. category?
 
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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
Oddity said:
The more I look at it,
the more it seems the concept of rulership at all
doesn't fit into the modern schemata.
Not a criticism. An observation.
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Oddity, I think it's logically the reverse:
Modern Rulership doesn't fit into the Traditional schemata.
Your question seems to be: Does Modern Rulership HAVE a schemata of its own (or at least one you can personally relate to).

Leaving that question aside for now,
Mercury in Pisces brings Mercury into contact with Piscean Rulership (whether it's Jupiter, Neptune, or both).
If it's Neptune, and we associate one's "thought-process" with Merc., there would be a preference for the Big Picture, the forest first,
THEN the trees, in that context.


Oddity said:

So...
is Pisces the day-house or the night-house of Neptune?

What gender is Neptune?

Which sect?

Where are its other dignities?

The more I look at it,
the more it seems the concept of rulership at all
doesn't fit into the modern schemata.
Not a criticism. An observation.
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Jupiter is expansive and goal-oriented, and would bring greater clarity;
still Big Picture, but less imaginative and more fact-oriented than Neptune.
Together, not a bad combination!
But, I see your point--the terms dignities and disabilities are Traditional,
so Neptune, whatever its virtues as a Ruler of Pisces, doesn't fit this Forum,
even though it's in keeping with the Thread from a Modern perspective.
Maybe this Forum should be included in the Trad. category?
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Modern astrologers claim that Neptune "is co-ruler of Pisces"
Neptune was noticed 23 September 1846 approximately 170 years ago

traditional astrology has Jupiter as ruler of Pisces for at least two thousand years :smile:
traditionally then
each native with Mercury in Pisces differs
dependent on the sign and house location as well as aspects of natal Jupiter
 
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david starling

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Mods do take the position of the Sign-ruler of the Sign a Planet is in as important. For example: Sun in Pisces, Neptune (Ruling Pisces) in Sagitarius, which is Ruled by Jupiter; the Piscean members of the "Neptune in Sagittarius Generation" differ from one another based on Jupiter's Sign and House location, Neptune's House location, and the Aspects to both Planets. But not much attention generally paid to whether Neptune ( for example) is in any way "afflicted" (a term which is sometimes used in Modern Astrology) by being in a particular Sign, in this case, Sag. [So far as I know.]
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
Mods do take the position of the Sign-ruler of the Sign a Planet is in as important.
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a moderator shall correct me if necessary....
Moderators position is that the entire forum is GENERAL ASTROLOGY

with the EXCEPTION of the MODERN ASTROLOGY BOARD
and the TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY BOARD


hence
so far as Moderators are concerned
any member whether following Modern OR Traditional methodologies
may comment on ANY thread on any board of our forum

UNLESS

a member wishes to focus on a STRICTLY MODERN METHODOLOGY
for that we have the STRICTLY AND SOLELY MODERN ASTROLOGY BOARD

or

alternatively
a member wishes to focus on a STRICTLY TRADITIONAL METHODOLOGY
for that we have the STRICTLY AND SOLELY TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY BOARD

as a consequence
discussion with respect to any and all astrological methodologies
including Vedic, Chinese, Ancient, Modern, Uranian, Sidereal, Tropical, et al
is permissible on this thread for example
BECAUSE
this thread is posted on GENERAL ASTROLOGY board
david starling said:


For example: Sun in Pisces, Neptune (Ruling Pisces) in Sagitarius, which is Ruled by Jupiter;
the Piscean members of the "Neptune in Sagittarius Generation"
differ from one another based on Jupiter's Sign and House location,
Neptune's House location, and the Aspects to both Planets.
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therefore
the foregoing comment you made regarding Pisces

is discussable on this thread from a multiplicity of different perspectives

and and/or all of which may be mutually exclusive :smile:


i.e.
Sidereal Pisces
Tropical Pisces
Modern Pisces
Traditional Pisces

david starling said:
But not much attention generally paid to whether Neptune ( for example) is in any way "afflicted"
(a term which is sometimes used in Modern Astrology)
by being in a particular Sign, in this case, Sag. [So far as I know.]
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"Affliction" is a traditional term, approximately two thousand years old
often descriptive of planetary Dignity and Debility
and so

since none of the recently discovered planets appear on the following dignities table
many modern astrologers discount/ignore the concept of "Affliction"
GregoryRozek-astrological-tables-01.png
 
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