Composite chart question

Rageypoo

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I have a new relationship that is actually a bit of an old one. This was a powerful relationship about 5-6 years ago wile we were young, we had an intense and passionate beginning that sadly ended. We have been on and off about 5 times since that time, till about the last 2 years (we both met 1 other person) now we have reconnected and for the first time, we are actually starting a new beginning. I'd like any advice on our composite chart, our strengths/weaknesses, or any foresight, this has been extremely difficult to launch and we have both waited a long, long time. There are massive insecurities and I need all the help I can get to figure her out (Gotta love neptune in 1st) but the connection is there, and it is strong. I'll provide her chart, and mine, as well as the composite and synastry. Please take a look and let me know, she has been my one and only for a very long time, I'm hoping to take this all the way, she's the only woman I've ever loved, my first and last.

Hers:

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Mine:

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Our composite:

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Synastry grid: (Yes, I know the squares and trines are very wide, it's up to you to use only those that are within 3 degrees.)

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**Disclaimer** I understand our synastry is scary looking, and believe me, I don't like the squares, but anything worth having it seems, is worth the energy, and there's plenty of it. Please offer anything you can to help me resolve what needs resolved, and nurture what comes natural. I also know we have the dreaded Uranus square Venus, and even in composite Uranus opposes venus, I'm hoping after coming together and leaving eachother for 6 years we can start using saturn on the nodes and moon to really keep us together.

It's also not on there, but our vertex conj @ 2 degrees applying. Mine in 7th house leo, hers in 8th.
 
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aquarius7000

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Hi,

Well, it's like you said, "gotta love Nep in the 1st". I'd say gotta love and be in awe of it as well. Rule no. 1, looking at the composite is: Honesty at all costs!!!! Nep on the Asc shows a big danger of lies, hanky-panky stuff, pulling wool over the other's eyes, etc, all leading to one big disillusionment in the end. The ruler of the Asc is also in the 12th, which further corroborates the aforementioned. How to use Nep then, as it is one of the most important planets in this relationship, being in the 1st house? Well, both man and woman can grow spiritually together immensely, and can do some social work together/ work towards a cause, which also benefits the others. No, I do not mean to play the jackpot at Las Vegas to benefit the 'dons' there, but, with Nep as the key into this relationship (Nep on the Asc), there has to be something, some common goal towards the needy/have-nots, which will lead to spiritual growth and bind the two of you together. As an example, the composite combines Nep with the Sun and the Moon in a grand trine. She being a Leo through and through has got to love the idea of giving and generosity (only she also likes a pat on the back for it;)), and you having some Aquarian energy have the basis for 'brotherhood'.

Sun in opposition to Mercury also means that communication (=Mer) is the key to realisation (=Sun) of the relationship. Pluto touches both the lights, which means be wary of trying to control the other person's life and manipulating the other one. With Mer and Plu in the 11th, stress should be more on being friends and giving eachother space (11th = H of Aquarius; and Ura-Ven) to grow. The same placement again brings in a common cause towards society (11th = house of society). I don't know why, but this chart screams doing something together for the good of the society, as a joint project. I know you were not expecting this probably, but I have to say what the chart tells me. The Sun in the 4th shows that having a home together is a common goal.

Also, it is understandable that this relationship was not meant to be right at the start due to a 12th H Sat squaring an 8th H Moon. Some downfalls had to be suffered till both have matured (=Sat) and learnt their lessons. However, if the cards are played carefully, it can be a stable relationship. Another thing, with the Moon in the 8th, be careful about joint (financial) resources. No matter how uncomfortable it may seem, it will do you both good to clarify and be open about how best to handle any combined resources/investment, and be honest at all times about it. Remember, Nep is the entry into this relationship, being on the Asc, so pay attention to Nep at all times. Also, if you use the energy of a planet for positive and productive purposes (as explained above), it normally leaves you at peace with the downside, as it feels tied into your life already.

Better luck this time
:)AQ7
 
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Rageypoo

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In terms of the neptune, who is the one who might do the lies/hanky panky? Me? Her? Both? Her natal has neptune/saturn trine venus, she'd be fairly honest in the relationship wouldn't she? There is certainly an air of dishonesty though in this relationship, I feel she is constantly withholding information or skirting issues in favor of keeping her freedom, what is the remedy for this, just expect to be friends?

there is certainly a level of communication problems, it has been slow going to fix this issue, but it is getting there. I feel it is mainly on her part, she's a "mixed signal" kind of person, and I'm more of a truth seeker, so when she says one thing but does another, it completely confuses me. Also I'm well aware of the aspect of control, that's my fault...I try to give advice but end up forcing it.
 
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aquarius7000

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Hi,

A composite is a product emerging out of both of you (ie, an addition of both your data), so it is difficult to pin point which one will be the miscreant as regards the lies. Both you and her have Nep challenges in your natal h'scopes. It may be one person more and the other less in one situation and the other more in another. Actually, look at it this way, if you are aware that she is not being completely honest about something, or feels one way, but acts another; and you do not seek an open conversation with her about it, then you are party to it, too.

The only remedy for such things is to gently, but firmly have an open conversation about it, but by putting no pressure on the other person. May be tell her honestly how you feel about her/your relationship, and ask her, if she is completely ready for a relationship with you - for another try. And, also let her know, if she needs time, she can take it. Often people lie when put under duress of some sort, or when they feel they might lose the chance. If you can wait, let her know that, in case she does not (yet) feel up to it. Also, let her know gently, but clearly that you would like only an honest relationship and that she has nothing to fear to talk about her feelings/plans with you. A clear communication is always the best one. It lets both parties know where they stand with eachother. I have come to learn that clear communication (without fear) is the alpha and omega of a happy realtionship.

:)AQ7
 

Rageypoo

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Thanks = )

I think the firm communication but with no pressure will be something very difficult to achieve, but I will work on it. I think honesty is absolutely key, I just hate that even with honesty there is a sense of insecurity, it's hard to explain, but her actions are severely different than her words, I also feel ultimately that she doesn't feel the same way that I do about her, she says she has before but in all honesty, I don't believe her. I suppose though this is a great relationship to help me resolve my Venus square Neptune, and moon.

We had to suffer tremendous upsets early in this relationship, one of them being the loss of a child...I'm hoping that much is over. I'm a bit taken back by the fact we need to be friends in this relationship, I have that Aries Venus/Mars, and I'm not exactly the friend type...and it does present crossed feelings for me. She's also quite aggressive too in wanting attention, so being only a friend without expressing my true feelings is/has been a challenge, I feel stifled at times. As for the reaching out to society, that will be interesting to see, we've never wanted to be part of society, we favor staying in and just being with eachother at all costs, in fact being outside together is extremely awkward, I'd love to see what we can do not only together, but beneficial to the masses (or even a small group, anything society based).

I suppose it also doesn't help she's going though progressed venus square pluto, and natal venus trine pluto, all at the same time.

I like the insight, keep it coming! ^_^
 
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aquarius7000

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Hi,

When I mentioned "society", I did not mean socialising in the litereal sense and being amongst friends and people at parties. I meant more in the Nep sense of doing something for the good of society, maybe helping out with charities/ old people's homes, anything for the good of the needy. There's lots that can be done on that front and every bit that we do is but a drop in the ocean, with all the suffering around the world. I say this also as both of you have big Nep themes in your individual charts (both have Nep in close proximity to the Asc), and also in the composite chart. The further occupancy of the 11th H only makes that do good to the society - bit more important. It is all energy, some use it literally for holding pool parties for friends (=11th H) and thus creating their own world of illusion (=Nep), others for the real good of the society.

Yes, she is agressive in wanting attention, what with all the Leo energy. She cannot stand being ignored. However, I don't think she can be the disloyal kinds. I can only advise you to take it slow and not work with pressure. Although all of us dislike anybody ruling us, if there are two signs that cannot handle it, it's Leo and Sco. Also, pressure never lets the truth come to the forefront, and that is what you seek. However, with the honesty bit, you can certainly try to make her see sense and set the precedence yourself. The insecurity bit will always remain, as we are not within the other person and can never fully know what's really going on inside them. However, alot of the insecurity bit has to also do with the self, so you will have to also work on your ownself. Remember, it always takes two to tango. Let go of the need to control her out of your own insecurities. If I have learnt anything in life at my young age, it is that if something belongs to you, it will come back to you under all circumstances. If it doesn't, no amount of control or obsession can make them stay. Part of honesty is also the trust you show in the other person. Love needs space to grow, or it becomes an obsession/ a smothering sickness.

All the best
:)AQ7
 

Zarathu

Account Closed
IMO,

A composite chart is a measure of the abstract concept of your relationship. It doesn't represent either you or the other. It describes what your relationship looks like. This is very hard to understand...kind of inscrutable.

You have to limit it only to what the characterisitcs of your relationship is, which is a separate entity from either of you. One of the easiest ways to do this is to look at the sun-moon blend of the chart, and use thst as a springboard to descibe this abstract life energy.

Zarathu
 

Rageypoo

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Hi,

When I mentioned "society", I did not mean socialising in the litereal sense and being amongst friends and people at parties. I meant more in the Nep sense of doing something for the good of society, maybe helping out with charities/ old people's homes, anything for the good of the needy. There's lots that can be done on that front and every bit that we do is but a drop in the ocean, with all the suffering around the world. I say this also as both of you have big Nep themes in your individual charts (both have Nep in close proximity to the Asc), and also in the composite chart. The further occupancy of the 11th H only makes that do good to the society - bit more important. It is all energy, some use it literally for holding pool parties for friends (=11th H) and thus creating their own world of illusion (=Nep), others for the real good of the society.

Yes, she is agressive in wanting attention, what with all the Leo energy. She cannot stand being ignored. However, I don't think she can be the disloyal kinds. I can only advise you to take it slow and not work with pressure. Although all of us dislike anybody ruling us, if there are two signs that cannot handle it, it's Leo and Sco. Also, pressure never lets the truth come to the forefront, and that is what you seek. However, with the honesty bit, you can certainly try to make her see sense and set the precedence yourself. The insecurity bit will always remain, as we are not within the other person and can never fully know what's really going on inside them. However, alot of the insecurity bit has to also do with the self, so you will have to also work on your ownself. Remember, it always takes two to tango. Let go of the need to control her out of your own insecurities. If I have learnt anything in life at my young age, it is that if something belongs to you, it will come back to you under all circumstances. If it doesn't, no amount of control or obsession can make them stay. Part of honesty is also the trust you show in the other person. Love needs space to grow, or it becomes an obsession/ a smothering sickness.

All the best
:)AQ7

Thanks, this is really helping = )
 

Mandy

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I just think that unless your partner is your best friend, your relationship has a long way to go. If you are hoping to marry this girl, one day, then achieving that type of friendship is going to have to be your number one priority. A key confounding factor you should acknowledge is that, on one hand, you describe how much you want to work over all the perceptually limiting aspects. And on the other hand, you want to embarce them? The latter is shown by your excuse of a Venus/Mars in Aries. In other words, on paper, you are willing to do the hard work. But, in reality, you are aware of how difficult it is.

As it is clear that you really want this girl, one of the things you will have to do is work on establishing a true friendship before jumping in bed together again. I know it is too late for that but it could also be too late to truly salvage a hopeless situation. You never know until you try. Reminds me of the phrase "if you always do what you have always done, you'll always get what you always got."

Why dont you take plenty of cold showers and spend the next seven months or so doing philanthropic/meaningful things with this girl, something new and something that will stand to devleop both of you together, as souls, as well as being a potential as a foundation for something more meaningful in the future.

Right now, if I am honest, it sounds like you are ignoring all the alarm bells, that have been shown to raise hell before, time and time again, and are building possibly castles in the sky. I do not mean to offend you. I just dont want you to get hurt again and possibly ruin this opportunity, which may be the last chance for the two of you.

I'd say, slow down, pretend to have Mars/Venus in Libra/Gemini and suggest to her doing something charitable with you. It is not just about Neptune why I say that, but because that type of work is bound to open her eyes to a more deeper appreciation of life which may anchor her a bit more in ways you would not expect. I think, so far, you are confusing "hard work" and "work hard." There is a difference between enduring hardship just because you love the woman and enduring hardship because it is facilitating growth. If you do the former, with this lady, it will get you nowhere, even if you had the best synastry inter-aspects.

Bad things have happened in the past. They are not just going to be fixed by someone else. If this is who you want, you will need to work together from the bottom up, gradually and responsibly, in achieving something solid and unshakable. You cant force someone to do this, or predict how they might do it, so thats why I say take it slow and be just friends. Forget about winning and focus on what is going on in the present.
 
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Mandy

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Another thing: I dont know what she has lied about or how you feel about liars, and how you feel about lies in a relationship and what kind of effect this has on you personally. But, relationships can be complicated enough and the one thing that is so easy to do in relationship situation, and such a primary sign of respect to another, is honesty. You need a partner who you can have your best interests at heart and be honest with you irrespective of (the selfishness of) outcome. Just because you love someone does not mean they are right for you.
 

Rageypoo

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Another thing: I dont know what she has lied about or how you feel about liars, and how you feel about lies in a relationship and what kind of effect this has on you personally. But, relationships can be complicated enough and the one thing that is so easy to do in relationship situation, and such a primary sign of respect to another, is honesty. You need a partner who you can have your best interests at heart and be honest with you irrespective of (the selfishness of) outcome. Just because you love someone does not mean they are right for you.

Her ability to fall in-out of love, and her actions, leads me to believe there is a level of deception, perhaps her own? I don't know. It could be me, I don't really know, ultimately, it's me not really knowing. I have laid my feelings out on the table, she hasn't, that's where i'm at.


I appreciate all the input.
 
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Mandy

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Sure. Good luck. I have to say I wouldnt bet on this lasting but I hope it does, if you really want to live like this. Take this thought experiement: Look at what you have written here, compile a table. It may look something like this:
Rageypoo: words = actions; Leolady: words do not equal actions; Rageypoo: clear signal; Leolady: mixed signal; Rageypoo: forthcoming with info; Leolady: withholding info; etc.

Call yourself a truth seeker? That is a good thing to be. But you are not that if you are not facing reality and, instead, 'hoping'. It is not easy when you love someone to be so disciplined with yourself about the truth, I know. But it is the only thing that will liberate you (as opposed to confuse you). If it is written there in black and white, are you sure she is the one entirely responsible for the confusion?
 

Rageypoo

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Sure. Good luck. I have to say I wouldnt bet on this lasting but I hope it does, if you really want to live like this. Take this thought experiement: Look at what you have written here, compile a table. It may look something like this:
Rageypoo: words = actions; Leolady: words do not equal actions; Rageypoo: clear signal; Leolady: mixed signal; Rageypoo: forthcoming with info; Leolady: withholding info; etc.

Call yourself a truth seeker? That is a good thing to be. But you are not that if you are not facing reality and, instead, 'hoping'. It is not easy when you love someone to be so disciplined with yourself about the truth, I know. But it is the only thing that will liberate you (as opposed to confuse you). If it is written there in black and white, are you sure she is the one entirely responsible for the confusion?


It's certainly not a scenario I was hoping for, it started off with both of us confessing to deep feelings and passionate new beginnings, and now it's taken a completely new turn, limited to small talk and absolutely no feelings whatsoever. It's not what I wanted at all, and yes it is entirely one sided for the confusion. I am no ok with it at all, and understanding that both of us have uranus square the AC right now, I understand that relationships are unpredictable and making commitments right now would be unwise, but I feel like we had something we could build on and now, absolutely nothing. I am willing to take a back seat and see how this plays, but my interest to pursue has been completely killed, and I'm stuck between a rock and hard place, with no where to go except the friend zone and this isn't me. I'm ok with going slow as long as both parties are clear that we have strong feelings and want to go forward, but this was a complete 180 from what happened a few weeks ago. My take on this in all reality is, perhaps she was scared to be alone, and I was able to offer some kind of solace, which I hope that isn't true because she's just using me. If it is genuinely she wants to take it slow, and she is just scared to admit she has true feelings for me, then I could handle that, but I'll never know till she finally decides to move forward, and that makes it completely one sided, making me wait for something that may/may not be.

This feels completely wrong to me, but I have no other option, although it is the absolute bare minimum commitment, it's still a commitment she has never made before, it has to mean something, and I hope I'm not wrong and chasing clouds.
 

dr. farr

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Using the synastry grid (via my unorthodox approach) the main indication I see is the Sun/Sun opposition, which comes down to a clash of egos, a clash of wills: for me this is the most significant indication from the synastry, a difficult one for any relationship.
In the composite, seems fairly balanced except for the Venus opposition Uranus, btoh Venus and Uranus being cadent (in whole sign houses), Uranus in the 12th house of disappointments: might indicate sudden (and disappointing) changes regarding Venerean matters...
 

Rageypoo

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Using the synastry grid (via my unorthodox approach) the main indication I see is the Sun/Sun opposition, which comes down to a clash of egos, a clash of wills: for me this is the most significant indication from the synastry, a difficult one for any relationship.
In the composite, seems fairly balanced except for the Venus opposition Uranus, btoh Venus and Uranus being cadent (in whole sign houses), Uranus in the 12th house of disappointments: might indicate sudden (and disappointing) changes regarding Venerean matters...

Is there no remedy for it? I mean we do have venus trine sun, and plenty of saturn for long-term, but is there really no way to both feel satisfied?

The opposition is pretty wide, though I know for luminaries you allow up to 10, but from what I've seen in astrology Aqua man is great for leo female, is it simply because I need to stay completely detached and be only friends? Something about this doesn't seem right at all.

Is it simply she fears commitment? I don't fear it at all, I've wanted it from the very beginning, even more so now that I'm older.
 
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Mandy

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It's certainly not a scenario I was hoping for, it started off with both of us confessing to deep feelings and passionate new beginnings, and now it's taken a completely new turn, limited to small talk and absolutely no feelings whatsoever. It's not what I wanted at all, and yes it is entirely one sided for the confusion. I am no ok with it at all, and understanding that both of us have uranus square the AC right now, I understand that relationships are unpredictable and making commitments right now would be unwise, but I feel like we had something we could build on and now, absolutely nothing. I am willing to take a back seat and see how this plays, but my interest to pursue has been completely killed, and I'm stuck between a rock and hard place, with no where to go except the friend zone and this isn't me. I'm ok with going slow as long as both parties are clear that we have strong feelings and want to go forward, but this was a complete 180 from what happened a few weeks ago. My take on this in all reality is, perhaps she was scared to be alone, and I was able to offer some kind of solace, which I hope that isn't true because she's just using me. If it is genuinely she wants to take it slow, and she is just scared to admit she has true feelings for me, then I could handle that, but I'll never know till she finally decides to move forward, and that makes it completely one sided, making me wait for something that may/may not be.

This feels completely wrong to me, but I have no other option, although it is the absolute bare minimum commitment, it's still a commitment she has never made before, it has to mean something, and I hope I'm not wrong and chasing clouds.

Ragey, relax. She knows how much you care. Dont give yourself a hard time. You say you are "stuck between a rock and a hard place." You are. You are banging your head against a wall. I cannot give you any more insight than what I am, I dont know the people involved, but you can look at it this way: Either

* She doesnt want to move forward in that direction.

or

* She is being genuine and cares about you deep down, but currently her love is not worth a lot.

(in regards to her specifically, there is no third option)

To you, her love may be worth the world and you should ask yourself why. But in the real world, her love is not worth a weeks happiness because it is making you miserable and it is driving you mad. My opinion is that you feel something about this woman completes you. What is it? What is that that you value the most about her as a person. This is not about how you experience your relationship (e.g., powerful, intense, passionate) or your togetherness.This is just about her as a person.

Deep down you know the answer. You are born with the answer. I also know you know it because you have said "This [relationship] feels completely wrong to me." The second part of this is that you say "but I have no other option." It is clear that you feel trapped. My point above, in my previous post, was that [it seems to me that] you are trapping yourself. She is very clear: This is who she is.

Take time to accept this truth. Then, take time to understand what is it that you are really wanting. That is, what aspect of her clear/true/real/daytime/warts-and-all/black-on-white being do you perceive to complete you? Be honest with yourself.
 
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Rageypoo

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Ragey, relax. She knows how much you care. Dont give yourself a hard time. You say you are "stuck between a rock and a hard place." You are. You are banging your head against a wall. I cannot give you any more insight than what I am, I dont know the people involved, but you can look at it this way: Either

* She doesnt want to move forward in that direction.

or

* She is being genuine and cares about you deep down, but currently her love is not worth a lot.

(in regards to her specifically, there is no third option)

To you, her love may be worth the world, and you should ask yourself why. But in the real world, her love is not worth a weeks happiness because it is making you miserable and it is driving you mad. My opinion is that you feel something about this woman completes you. What is it? What is that that you value the most about her as a person. This is not about how you experience your relationship (e.g., powerful, intense, passionate) or your togetherness.This is just about her as a person.

Deep down you know the answer. You are born with the answer. I also know you know it because you have said "This [relationship] feels completely wrong to me." The second part of this is that you say "but I have no other option." It is clear that you feel trapped. My point above, in my previous post, was that [it seems to me that] you are trapping yourself. She is very clear: This is who she is.

Take time to accept this truth. Then, take time to understand what is it that you are really wanting. That is, what aspect of her clear/true/real/daytime/warts-and-all/black-on-white being do you perceive to complete you? Be honest with yourself.

This makes sense, thank you.
 

Mandy

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You are welcome. But I have a sneaky suspicion that the universe is putting this lady, or this experience with this lady, before you, again and again, because you are failing to learn something key from it. So, I hope that you will not give up on this exercise. Remember that the universe supports you in every way. You just have to take the right steps. The right steps, back to yourself, because that is what your feelings are borne out of.

Dare to do it. Best Wishes.
 

Mandy

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Yes, you are starting to see her for (and accept) what she is and not for what you would like her to be. Often we want someone because their presence in our lives feels like the missing piece in the puzzle: our life. Have you ever tried to plan your life and life shows you that you do not have all that much control? This is because life is not a puzzle. It can just be puzzling to understand, sometimes.

In nature, all things fall in the perfect place when the conditions are right. In fact, nature isn't puzzling because it always looks for the easiest outcome. Electricity will always take the easiest route. In chemistry, molecules come together because it is the easiest way to achieve equilibria and/or stability. In biology, the plant will grow towards the sunlight, etc. These are natural laws and all you can do it accept them.

In England, we say "the proof is in the pudding." Is it easy for you to be with this girl? Yes. Is it easy for her to be with you (or perhaps anyone)? No. There is no puzzle. This is the natural outcome of the situation. It is far easier to go with it than against it (though you cannot say that you have not tried). Trying to cause an artificial solution in the natural domain is going to backfire and be unsuccessful. I am under the impression that you are here.

Nevertheless, you feel that you have found in this girl the missing piece to the puzzle. But, in truth, nobody can complete you (or incomplete you). You are born complete and all the answers that you seek, for happiness and liberation, are within you. It would be a mistake, an unnatural thing to do, to look for answers in somebody else. One of the pop reasons for this is because they will always be the most important thing to themselves. Fundamentally, they have a different focus on what is important at present. And, fundamentally, in such a situation, make no mistake, you will come second. Also, if you love them, it would be selfish to impose on their personal and natural growth/direction/life path priority. That is why a part of love is in the letting go. Another pop reason is that you should not give someone else the keys to your happiness. This is what you are doing. Irrespective of who the person is, it is wrong. It will not work. You have to find the answers that you seek, within. Find completion, in the growth through that. And then find someone who will compliment you. And who you will complement. Like Yin and Yang. Conversely, by looking to someone to complete you, you are implicitly a dependent (incomplete) party in the relationship from the get go.

If letting go is difficult, then I would suggest that perhaps this is not real love. Love is love irrespective of the form it takes. If you an an animal lover and you have an animal that you love which would fare better in its natural habitat, than at home with you, out of love, you would release than animal. So, if this is not real love, it is a plaster for something. What is this situation a plaster for?

Well, if you are inclined to give someone else the keys to your happiness, or hold the (undue) belief that they will complete you, this in and of itself suggests that you feel an inadequate driver. And there is a reason. At face value, it is puzzling why if you feel inadequate, as I explain (why), you should want to give the keys, to happiness, an emotion, to a person who is emotionally unavailable, and therefore inadequate themselves.

You want an emotionally unavailbale woman to love you and be with you. You are looking for love - yes - in a place where there is no love. What does this tell us? To answer this question, a quote that springs to mind is from an astrology book by Linda Goodman, "'When Good is hungry, it seeks food, even in dark caves, and when it thirsts, it drinks even in dead waters.' A perfect description of Scorpio." I can see the root of this isnt about being hungry for sex or physical desire. The root is that you are thirsty for love. You then choose the woman who you know cannot give it. Why? Because on some level you feel unworthy of love. Face that. Then face the fact that you are love and you are loved and that you are loveable. You are loved by a far greater force: the universe. This is not mumbo jumbo philosophy because to receive (perceive) that love, you need to know what real love is, in order to be able to recognise it, keep it and cultivate it. The truth is, this situation in which you find yourself, right now, is the universe's way of loving you. And one day, once you are at peace with truth (i.e., accepting of the limitations of other people), you will know true love in your life. It is the only love worth having and it is the only way to stop this train to nowhere.

To deal with it in a different way, by hanging on to this person, what is it going to solve? It may seem to you like it will solve something important, but the universe is showing you that this is not the solution. You are amazing. You deserve more. You know this, you just have a problem accepting it.

Cultivate love in youself. It will take time. A good way to do this is through giving to others who are really in need. The universe gives us not always what we want, but always what we need. what you need is not in her. It is in you. As much as it might feel daunting (your word) to explore this. There is no escaping it. You shouldn't feel drained (your word) doing it. Often draining is a feeling that comes when you are actively preventing yourself from using the situation for its purpose, or misusing it.

Dont be afraid to let go, it is empowering. I am not a psychic so I cannot tell you what the future holds, but I know that it will be far easier if you accept people for what they are, respect unconditionally the journey they are on, as a universal manifestation, and focus on cultivating love within yourself. If you dont know how, pray for it. It is why I say "dare to do it" because it is the only way to get to where you want to be ultimately. This is your death card (in tarot). It is time to take steps and walk through that door (that you know is there).


I am going away for two weeks. I'll have no internet, so will be unable to respond to messages. Best wishes for your journey.
 
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dr. farr

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Is there no remedy for it? I mean we do have venus trine sun, and plenty of saturn for long-term, but is there really no way to both feel satisfied?

The opposition is pretty wide, though I know for luminaries you allow up to 10, but from what I've seen in astrology Aqua man is great for leo female, is it simply because I need to stay completely detached and be only friends? Something about this doesn't seem right at all.

Is it simply she fears commitment? I don't fear it at all, I've wanted it from the very beginning, even more so now that I'm older.

As I stated in my brief post, the indications (most of them) in the reference charts look pretty good: what I have mentioned in my post are the 2 areas of possible problems, ie, what to "watch out" for: of course in doing so, a remedy is provided, the remedy is being aware of the potential flaws or potential problems, and by being aware one can take actions and modify reactions, on one's part, so as to prevent the potential negative indications from developing, or at least to greatly mitigate them if and when they do become manifest.

I do NOT accept any "fate, can't change things" type of attitude: knowing potential influences- positive and negative-allows us to take control of our own lives and to mold our own futures...
 
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