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I'm a libra and my rising sign is libra but I don't look like a libra at all
is that normal?
like from what I've read libra rising people are supposed to be slender, tall, and have dimples but I'm not slender neither tall or have dimples???

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Are you gracious and sociable, attractive and feminine (sorry, are you a woman?), kind and charming?
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Re: is it normal not to look like my rising sign?

Your genes play a huge part in your build and facial features. Obviously there are major parts of the world populated by ethnic groups who don't have blonde or red hair, or blue eyes. Yet rising sign descriptions will sometimes give them as characteristic of a given sign. There's a northern European-ancestry bias in a lot of the rising sign descriptions.

Then planets in your first house or in aspect to your ascendant will make a big difference. Venus rules Libra, so consider what Libra is doing in your chart.

I think that your rising sign has a lot more to do with your outward personality and demeanor than with your physical appearance.
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Your genes play a huge part in your build and facial features. Obviously there are major parts of the world populated by ethnic groups who don't have blonde or red hair, or blue eyes. Yet rising sign descriptions will sometimes give them as characteristic of a given sign. There's a northern European-ancestry bias in a lot of the rising sign descriptions.

Then planets in your first house or in aspect to your ascendant will make a big difference. Venus rules Libra, so consider what Libra is doing in your chart.

I think that your rising sign has a lot more to do with your outward personality and demeanor than with your physical appearance.
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Jupiter and mercury is in my first house and my ascendant aspects are sextile moon and conjunction mercury and conjunction Jupiter and sextile pluto and parallel Jupiter and parallel Uranus

is something wrong with the planets in my first house or my ascendant aspects??
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Are you gracious and sociable, attractive and feminine (sorry, are you a woman?), kind and charming?
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yes I'm a girl and all of what you said is right except the attractive part no one told me I was attractive but I think it's because of my current appearance since I'm overweight so maybe there would be a change after I lose weight I guess? I'll gain more confidence so maybe that will make me attractive and be more sociable.
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hello
I'm a libra and my rising sign is libra but I don't look like a libra at all
is that normal?
like from what I've read libra rising people are supposed to be slender, tall, and have dimples but I'm not slender neither tall or have dimples???
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So you think all Libra Asc. have dimples? And all Libra Asc are slender?
Have you checked where your Venus is placed? Which planets your Venus is in aspects with? If there are planets in your first house?

This is why it is so important to look further than just one isolated aspect.
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So you think all Libra Asc. have dimples? And all Libra Asc are slender?
Have you checked where your Venus is placed? Which planets your Venus is in aspects with? If there are planets in your first house?

This is why it is so important to look further than just one isolated aspect.
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My venus is in sag and it's in my second house and my venus aspects are: square Uranus and trine mc

Mercury and Jupiter are in my first house

and I don't think that all libra asc have all those aspects but at least they would have one of them lol
and I was just curious about why I'm not like the rest of them
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Re: is it normal not to look like my rising sign?

I think Elena got it right: your rising sign isn't so much your physical appearance as it is how your personality appears to other people.

The first house symbolizes your body, but it is in the sense of how other people perceive you, or your overall health and vitality.

Obviously your overall genetic inheritance from your parents plays a major role in how you look.

Then do pay attention to planets in your first house or aspecting your ascendant.

Just for example, I have Virgo rising, but in no way do I fit the neat and tidy Virgo stereotype. I have Uranus squaring my AC. So as much as I might hope to look smooth and polished, this just isn't going to happen with Uranus in the mix.

There are some signatures that seem to work in a general way. Uranus in the first house or squaring the ascendant seems to confer "unusual hair," which I have. Even more so when I was younger.

Venus in the first or ruling the first (if well aspected) tends to make people attractive, even if they are not good-looking in a conventional way.

Saturn in the first might give someone poor posture or crooked teeth, as Saturn rules the teeth and bones. Saturn in the first might also make someone physically small in comparison with her genetic inheritance.

Pluto in the first or Scorpio rising tends to make people come across as intense.

But these are general delineations that would fit many body types and facial features.
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I think Elena got it right: your rising sign isn't so much your physical appearance as it is how your personality appears to other people.

The first house symbolizes your body, but it is in the sense of how other people perceive you, or your overall health and vitality.

Obviously your overall genetic inheritance from your parents plays a major role in how you look.

Then do pay attention to planets in your first house or aspecting your ascendant.

Just for example, I have Virgo rising, but in no way do I fit the neat and tidy Virgo stereotype. I have Uranus squaring my AC. So as much as I might hope to look smooth and polished, this just isn't going to happen with Uranus in the mix.

There are some signatures that seem to work in a general way. Uranus in the first house or squaring the ascendant seems to confer "unusual hair," which I have. Even more so when I was younger.

Venus in the first or ruling the first (if well aspected) tends to make people attractive, even if they are not good-looking in a conventional way.

Saturn in the first might give someone poor posture or crooked teeth, as Saturn rules the teeth and bones. Saturn in the first might also make someone physically small in comparison with her genetic inheritance.

Pluto in the first or Scorpio rising tends to make people come across as intense.

But these are general delineations that would fit many body types and facial features.
thanks that were really helpful now I feel better

Mercury and Jupiter are in my first house
and my ascendant aspects are sextile moon and conjunction mercury and conjunction Jupiter and sextile pluto and parallel Jupiter and parallel Uranus

if there's nothing wrong with my asc aspects or the planets in my first house then it's just my genetics lol

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Hi Haneen,

I am a Leo Asc. and while I don’t have a big face I have a thick wavy crop on my head. So yes, you are correct in general about how a Libra Asc looks. However, you see you also have to consider the first house planets (Asc marks the first house). Since you have Jup there, that normally gives the person a fuller body (Jup expands). My dad with a Sag Asc has always had, even when younger, a pretty broad forehead. An aunt of mine is a Libra Asc. and she has a very cool and airy appearance “, but no dimples and she is not slender (Venus in the first house), not fat either, but very attractive. So simply looking at the Asc is not enough. Look at where the ruler is placed and what is there in the first house.
With a Libra Asc. and JUp and Mer in the first house, you should be quite an extrovert (unless your Moon is in Cap).
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thanks for replying

My venus is in sag and it's in my second house and my venus aspects are: square Uranus and trine mc

Mercury and Jupiter are in my first house

and I don't think that all libra asc have all those aspects but at least they would have one of them lol
and I was just curious about why I'm not like the rest of them
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Hi Haneen,

I am a Leo Asc. and while I don’t have a big face I have a thick wavy crop on my head. So yes, you are correct in general about how a Libra Asc looks. However, you see you also have to consider the first house planets (Asc marks the first house). Since you have Jup there, that normally gives the person a fuller body (Jup expands). My dad with a Sag Asc has always had, even when younger, a pretty broad forehead. An aunt of mine is a Libra Asc. and she has a very cool and airy appearance “, but no dimples and she is not slender (Venus in the first house), not fat either, but very attractive. So simply looking at the Asc is not enough. Look at where the ruler is placed and what is there in the first house.
With a Libra Asc. and JUp and Mer in the first house, you should be quite an extrovert (unless your Moon is in Cap).
thank you so much now I know why I became fat when I was a kid even tho I did the same activities as my classmates and I wasn't lazy

Venus is in the second house and do you mean what's placed in my first house as in my asc aspects or what? sorry, I got quite confused I'm just a beginner
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thank you so much now I know why I became fat when I was a kid even tho I did the same activities as my classmates and I wasn't lazy

Venus is in the second house and do you mean what's placed in my first house as in my asc aspects or what? sorry, I got quite confused I'm just a beginner
By what's placed in the first house I meant the planets sitting in the first house - in your case - Jup and Merc.

If you like, pull your chart at astro.com and post it on here.
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By what's placed in the first house I meant the planets sitting in the first house - in your case - Jup and Merc.

If you like, pull your chart at astro.com and post it on here.
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Re: is it normal not to look like my rising sign?

Hahaha, you see, per the chart, you are a very Jup person. You have Jup in the first, so close by the Asc and in the same sign as the Asc (lucky for you) , Jup in a conj to the Sun, Jup ruling your Moon, Jup even ruling the ruler of the Asc, Venus. Bingo. Look at my previous post - I said to check all this - and in your case - you have all this ruled by Jup. Very interesting chart. You like the good life and look for comfort And yes, if you don't watch it, you do have the tendency to grow 'big' easily. Any day, you look more Jup like than Venus - Libra like.
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Hahaha, you see, per the chart, you are a very Jup person. You have Jup in the first, so close by the Asc and in the same sign as the Asc (lucky for you) , Jup in a conj to the Sun, Jup ruling your Moon, Jup even ruling the ruler of the Asc, Venus. Bingo. Look at my previous post - I said to check all this - and in your case - you have all this ruled by Jup. Very interesting chart. You like the good life and are look for comfort And yes, if you don't watch it, you do have the tendency to grow 'big' easily. Any day, you look more Jup like than Venus - Libra like.
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Re: is it normal not to look like my rising sign?

In addition to what Aquarius7000 wrote, your moon, in a Jupiter sign, is exactly sextile the ascendent, and Jupiter.
So, shades of sensitive emotional moon will come through as well.
And, like the phases of the moon, a little moody with subtle physical shadings of light and dark to those who are looking at you.
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Re: is it normal not to look like my rising sign?

Hey,
here is something related to the ascendant that might be fun to check out:


create an ascendant persona chart (on astro.com -> chose 'persona' under the chart rubric). The persona ascendant chart is the chart of your ascendant. It is very interesting. It gives you a completely different chart that is only for your ascendant and it can throw light on different aspects of your ascendant. For exapmle I have mars on my ascendant persona chart 's ascendant and I do notice that I have an athletic built. In my normal chart I don't have any aspects to my ascendant/ chart ruler that would point to being athletic

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Hi

By athletic do you mean you like sports and practise then, or do you mean you have a muscular built or perhaps both?

What is your Asc and where is its ruler? Also where is mars placed sign wise?

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here is something related to the ascendant that might be fun to check out:


create an ascendant persona chart (on astro.com -> chose 'persona' under the chart rubric). The persona ascendant chart is the chart of your ascendant. It is very interesting. It gives you a completely different chart that is only for your ascendant and it can throw light on different aspects of your ascendant. For exapmle I have mars on my ascendant persona chart 's ascendant and I do notice that I have an athletic built. In my normal chart I don't have any aspects to my ascendant/ chart ruler that would point to being athletic
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here is something related to the ascendant that might be fun to check out:


create an ascendant persona chart (on astro.com -> chose 'persona' under the chart rubric). The persona ascendant chart is the chart of your ascendant. It is very interesting. It gives you a completely different chart that is only for your ascendant and it can throw light on different aspects of your ascendant. For exapmle I have mars on my ascendant persona chart 's ascendant and I do notice that I have an athletic built. In my normal chart I don't have any aspects to my ascendant/ chart ruler that would point to being athletic
I never heard of this before. I did do mine, it's bizarre.
What is it all about, what is it based on?
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Re: is it normal not to look like my rising sign?

Well, I actually just came across the persona chart and I find it quite interesting but I am not sure if it is really that significant. Here are some sites with infos on the persona ascenant chart:



https://twelvehousemoon.tumblr.com/p...cendant-master


https://mars-in-the-first.tumblr.com...ary-placements


I would try and see if there are any significant ascpect or placements in the ascendant persona chart that I can see tobe related to my ascendant (i.e. how others see me, what I look like, and maybe also how I see myself as a persona).



Was there anything interesting in your persona chart? Anything that made sense to you?
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My mars is in cancer in 3rd house. However, it forms a trine to pluto, but I don't think that people with mars-pluto aspects generlly look athletic.
My chart ruler Mercury is in the 6th house in Sagittarius and trines mars, but again, not all people with mars aspects to their chart ruler look atheltic in my opionion.
With athleic I mean borad shoulders and smaller hips and shorter neck. For my gemeni ascendant I think a have a sporty built and look like I could be into sports

But as mentioned by others it is also genetics and my dad was in competetive sports when he was younger and he looks athletic, too.
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Re: is it normal not to look like my rising sign?

This doesn't tell me very much, it doesn't seem to relate to my chart, or to me.
My actual ascendent is 7 leo.
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Re: is it normal not to look like my rising sign?

Well, a leo ascendant is quite different from a cancer conjunct saturn ascendant and if it doesn't seem to relate to you in any way it may not be important. I have found that for some natal charts I could relate the ascendant chart to the person and for some charts it seemed to far fetched...


I am curious if anyone else can relate to their ascendant chart?


My ascendant chart reflects some of my natal placements which may be why I can identify with it to an extent. However, I would not say that it represent me more than my natal chart - it might just add to it.

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Well, you helped me prove my point: look at the Asc but always where it is placed and (main) aspects. I actually wish you would post your chart which you can always remove or hide your birth details.
Mercury rules you chart, I take it your Asc and Merc is in Sag. That proves to me the sporty look. If I could see your chart, I could tell more. It is so important to look at the Asc, ruler placement, planets in the first house if any... thss as t is what does not make all Gemini (or any) Asc have the same appearance

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My mars is in cancer in 3rd house. However, it forms a trine to pluto, but I don't think that people with mars-pluto aspects generlly look athletic.
My chart ruler Mercury is in the 6th house in Sagittarius and trines mars, but again, not all people with mars aspects to their chart ruler look atheltic in my opionion.
With athleic I mean borad shoulders and smaller hips and shorter neck. For my gemeni ascendant I think a have a sporty built and look like I could be into sports

But as mentioned by others it is also genetics and my dad was in competetive sports when he was younger and he looks athletic, too.
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Re: is it normal not to look like my rising sign?

Yeah, I didn't think about Sagittarius but I guess that could already explain the athletic built.

Still it is intersting how it reflects in the ascendant persona chart. I will continue eyperimenting with it. Neverltheless, the natal chart will for sure always have priorty.

For me the persona chart and other alternative charts are a way of opening up new possibilites of looking at myself/others. I probably don't like to be too confinded to my natal placements even though with all the aspects and placements in sings/ houses and rulerships, of course, it could probably explain most of me.

In the end, the persona chart gave me a new idea and I am happy to see how it can also be found in the natal chart
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