Astrologers' Community  

Go Back   Astrologers' Community > Anything Else... > Chat > Hot topic arena

Hot topic arena As the title suggest, this sub-board is dedicated to non-astrological talks on interesting, important or controversial topics.


Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #26  
Unread 01-05-2012, 07:43 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 57,472
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=QC1QAR5gQrc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AmHLiWW5gc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek1uqrwLmQk more interesting viewing
Attached Images
File Type: jpg PowerPyramidThe1%.jpg (78.5 KB, 5 views)

__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf

Last edited by JUPITERASC; 01-05-2012 at 08:24 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Unread 01-05-2012, 09:16 PM
rahu rahu is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: 5025 valley crest dr #135 concord ca 94521
Posts: 10,860
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

it really makes me laugh that waybread and mso are attacking me as a conspiracy theorist.
i simply posted a link.

i made no independent conclusions.
so as it seems they haven't even read the link, will quote from the article to make it clear ,i am not a conspiracy theorist on this subject.

"civil right advocates and others were furious at the lawmakers for the brooad scope of the provisions,which could have allowed U.S.citizens on U.S.soil to be indefinetly detained without trial.

"democratic senators tired to amend the provisions but failed"

"sen. rand paul warned the provisions 'put every american citizen at risk' of being sent to guantanamo bay"

again this is not me saying these things.

rahu
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to rahu For This Useful Post:
conspiracy theorist (06-29-2016)
  #28  
Unread 01-05-2012, 09:44 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 57,472
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rahu View Post
it really makes me laugh that waybread and mso are attacking me as a conspiracy theorist.
i simply posted a link.

i made no independent conclusions.
so as it seems they haven't even read the link, will quote from the article to make it clear ,i am not a conspiracy theorist on this subject.

"civil right advocates and others were furious at the lawmakers for the brooad scope of the provisions,which could have allowed U.S.citizens on U.S.soil to be indefinetly detained without trial.

"democratic senators tired to amend the provisions but failed"

"sen. rand paul warned the provisions 'put every american citizen at risk' of being sent to guantanamo bay"

again this is not me saying these things.

rahu
Often rahu, in life one is misunderstood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIc

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12...n-at-carswell/

What if the government decided to invent a great lie to justify a disastrous war? What would happen to the people who know the truth? EXTREME PREJUDICE delivers an explosive, high tension expose of the real facts surrounding the CIA's advance warning of 9/11 and an insider's look at Iraqi Pre-War Intelligence, told by one of the very few U.S. Assets covering Iraq before the War. It reveals the depths of deception by leaders in Washington and London to promote a questionable image of their successful anti-terrorism policy, and the shocking brutality used to suppress that truth from the American people and the world community.

http://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Prejud.../dp/1453642757
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUokwxWwwWk
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf

Last edited by JUPITERASC; 01-07-2012 at 11:23 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Unread 01-06-2012, 03:12 AM
sandstone sandstone is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: bestcoast of canada
Posts: 1,060
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

eisenhowers farewell address in 1961.. it is now 50 years past, or is it?

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?...age=transcript

smedley butler quotes

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

from his book - war is a racket..

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."


coincidence theorists and conspiracy theorists join hands, lol...
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Unread 01-15-2012, 11:06 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 57,472
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

Informative video of The Carlisle Group and their activities

The Carlisle Group is a massive "private equity firm," which raises money from wealthy individuals and companies, and then reinvests the money into private defense companies with extremely high profit margins.

It is made up of well known politicians such as George Bush, Sr. and James Baker, and it is one of the most powerful elements of the "military industrial complex," which is a business built around the defense industry being so large and powerful that it able to influence the politics of war.

This video discusses the structure of the group and explains its history of many abuses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3Sb6...eature=related
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Unread 01-23-2012, 08:51 PM
piercethevale's Avatar
piercethevale piercethevale is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alta California
Posts: 8,552
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

We got serious problems in america right now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mPZl...deRVAAAAAAAAAA
__________________
You Are A Divine Creation Of The Universe
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Unread 01-23-2012, 09:38 PM
piercethevale's Avatar
piercethevale piercethevale is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alta California
Posts: 8,552
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

OKAY...apparently that vid is months old...but was reposted this morning. I hadn't seen it before...makes little diff. really, but it did get my blood pressure so **** high that I am now hyperventilating into a brown paper bag.
__________________
You Are A Divine Creation Of The Universe
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Unread 01-23-2012, 09:43 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 57,472
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

Quote:
Originally Posted by piercethevale View Post
We got serious problems in america right now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mPZl...deRVAAAAAAAAAA
US Presidents and what they have in common: 25 of the 44 Presidents of the US have been lawyers. Obama is a lawyer. In general, who trusts lawyers? http://www.legallanguage.com/legal-a...dents-lawyers/ Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are both lawyers - Bill Clinton was temporarily barred for lying under oath during the Lewinsky enquiry but has since had his lawyers license restored.

Bush applied to study law at UT and Harvard Law, but was not accepted into either school.

Harry Truman studied law at the University of Missouri-Kansas School of Law (at that time called Kansas City Law School) but never earned a degree and Roosevelt studied law at Columbia without ever completing his degree.

UK
British Prime Ministers Addington, Grenville, Percival, Canning, Disraeli, Asquith, Lloyd George, Atlee and Blair were all lawyers and Tony Blair's wife Cherie Blair is a Q.C. (Queen's Counsel - top level lawyer)

UPDATE: "SETTING THE STAGE FOR THE AMERICAN POLICE STATE"
2 January 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BupZNNNYi0U



__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Unread 01-23-2012, 10:52 PM
piercethevale's Avatar
piercethevale piercethevale is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alta California
Posts: 8,552
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

...The last temptation offered to Yeshua by [was it Satan or Lucifer?..I forget..as there is a diff.] after, money, flesh, whathaveyou, was 'Political power' , as, I recall, the Protagonist' said something to the effect; "I own the whole Megillha. I own them all."
__________________
You Are A Divine Creation Of The Universe

Last edited by piercethevale; 01-24-2012 at 07:15 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Unread 01-24-2012, 01:59 AM
waybread's Avatar
waybread waybread is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: A class M planet near you
Posts: 14,962
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

The reason why you want a fair number of lawyers in the legislative branch is that legislators make laws-- that ideally do not contradict other laws or (in the US) the Constitution. The average non-lawyer has no competence in this area. Ditto for the executive branch. They have to enforce laws.
__________________
My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. Jack Layton, "Letter to Canadians"

I thought we went along paths--but it seems there are no paths. The going itself is the path.
C.S. Lewis, Perelandra.

Life is not about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself. Message on a refrigerator magnet.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Unread 02-21-2012, 10:25 PM
QuaternityEagle's Avatar
QuaternityEagle QuaternityEagle is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 67
Question Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

That's it, unless the US starts playing nice I'm talking back Jim Carrey, Robin William, Avril Lavigne, and Alanis Morrissette.

Sorry, did not intend to make light of this thread. There is definitely from what I've observed, a concern with Americans that is a combination of reputation, money, and physical safety, that seems to alarm them to make urgent government calls that truly are excessive. Yet, 9/11 is/was must have been terrifying... but then again, you keep looking for terrorists and treating people like terrorists, or do everything with the concern of terrorism.... aren't you just going to keep "creating terrorism" as you seek it out, since things become a "warning sign" of terrorism and not ACTUAL terrorism... and then so many things could be warning signs.
__________________
“Character, like a photograph, develops in darkness.” - Yousuf Karsh
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Unread 02-22-2012, 01:08 AM
piercethevale's Avatar
piercethevale piercethevale is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alta California
Posts: 8,552
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JUPITERASC View Post
Often rahu, in life one is misunderstood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIc

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12...n-at-carswell/

What if the government decided to invent a great lie to justify a disastrous war? What would happen to the people who know the truth? EXTREME PREJUDICE delivers an explosive, high tension expose of the real facts surrounding the CIA's advance warning of 9/11 and an insider's look at Iraqi Pre-War Intelligence, told by one of the very few U.S. Assets covering Iraq before the War. It reveals the depths of deception by leaders in Washington and London to promote a questionable image of their successful anti-terrorism policy, and the shocking brutality used to suppress that truth from the American people and the world community.

http://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Prejud.../dp/1453642757
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUokwxWwwWk
I am a bit behind in following this thread..thus i didn't get around to checking out the book, "Extreme Prejudice", until today. I was stunned to read this about the author:

"As a U.S. Intelligence Asset, Susan Lindauer covered anti-terrorism at the Iraqi Embassy in New York from 1996 up to the invasion. Independent sources have confirmed that she gave advance warning about the 9/11 attack. She also started talks for the Lockerbie Trial with Libyan diplomats.

Shortly after requesting to testify before Congress about successful elements of Pre-War Intelligence, Lindauer became one of the first non-Arab Americans arrested on the Patriot Act as an "Iraqi Agent." She was accused of warning her second cousin, White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and Secretary of State Colin Powell that War with Iraq would have catastrophic consequences. Gratis of the Patriot Act, her indictment was loaded with "secret charges" and "secret evidence." She was subjected to one year in prison on Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth, Texas without a trial or hearing, and threatened with indefinite detention and forcible drugging to shut her up.

After five years of indictment without a conviction or guilty plea, the Justice Department dismissed all charges five days before President Obama's inauguration.
"

I am curious exactly what is "a U.S. Intelligence Asset". whether that designates Her as having been 'on the payroll' or if that just means, 'someone that has a file on them in Langley, Virginia.' ?
If she is, in someway regarded as, a member of the military then what was done to her might be a bit outside of my cause for concerns ...if she is only a citizen of interest then it seems most certain that the last administration has yet another illegal act to be charged with.
This all sounds more like the acts of some junta in a small Central or South American nation or one in Africa than the United States of America.
I have a creeping feeling that the U.S.A. this spring and summer may at some point look like a reenactment of 1968. Chicago Convention, the demonstrations, the speeches and the rally's of support or dissension...but more intense and of more of a broader base of racial, political and non secular origin...a wider cross section of American society, cohesive and directed, in a more specific and a more unified cause. The 'Cause', being that of trying to hold on to what Freedom and what Justice..what little of "IT"...that we still have and to get back what we once had returned intact. I fear if we don't take some of "IT" back this year and establish, what ever "The Fix", that it must be so that "IT", can never again deliberately, as thus presently, be so weakened as "IT" presently is, that "IT" will be gone for ever in the U.S.


cue the music...[as this is so appropriate]
Hold on to Freedom - Lee Michaels "Live"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBRCJ...eature=related
I nominate it for this years 'Street Anthem'....
__________________
You Are A Divine Creation Of The Universe

Last edited by piercethevale; 02-25-2012 at 10:49 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Unread 02-22-2012, 02:36 PM
Monk's Avatar
Monk Monk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: London
Posts: 2,640
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

Hi JupiterAsc,

Cherie Blair is related to John Wilkes Booth and the assassination of Lincoln, 2 pages below:-

http://www.mauricefernandez.com/phpb...php?f=2&t=2094
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Unread 02-23-2012, 09:38 AM
Monk's Avatar
Monk Monk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: London
Posts: 2,640
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

Most reports say that Lincoln was assassinated at approx. 10:15pm on Good Friday, 14th April 1865 in Ford's Theatre, Washington, while Sirius was setting in the West at location by accurate paran!

http://abesblogcabin.org/abraham-lin...-assassination

Love the Booth Grave in Baltimore, nice obelisk, oops, Osiris symbol?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bo..._gravesite.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Unread 02-23-2012, 10:12 AM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 57,472
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monk View Post
Hi JupiterAsc, Cherie Blair is related to John Wilkes Booth and the assassination of Lincoln, 2 pages below:-
http://www.mauricefernandez.com/phpb...php?f=2&t=2094
according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wilkes_Booth - Booth was the great-great-great-grandfather of Cherie Blair (née Booth)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monk View Post
Love the Booth Grave in Baltimore, nice obelisk, oops, Osiris symbol?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bo..._gravesite.jpg
Curiouser and curiouser Monk
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Unread 02-24-2012, 03:06 AM
Saintpaulia's Avatar
Saintpaulia Saintpaulia is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Washington (the state)
Posts: 5
Thumbs up Re: Military dictatorship in the U.S.

New member here. Just finding my way around. Noticed this section of the website and within that this thread. It's a bit old now (last post appears to be early January), so maybe my words will fall on not just deaf ears, but no ears at all!

"Still write it down, it might be read
nothing's better left unsaid
only sometimes, still no doubt
it's hard to see, it all works out" - Keith Reid, 1968

Well, so after reading the thread on "preparing for the Uranus-Pluto square" in World Astrology, I got the impression that this was once again nothing but another astrology site in which the members were blind to what's going on socio-politically. It seemed that their main response to the Uranus-Pluto square was personal.

In my opinion that is precisely the wrong response. The trans-Saturnian planets are not about individuals per se. They are collective planets, or as Rudhyar put it, planets of the collective unconscious. This square is going to be active on a global scale, not just in some person's natal chart!

And then I found this thread. Gosh, here's a thread on the military dictatorship in the U.S. So some people do get it. Cool. Look, I understand the responses above by some members, who sort of poo-pooed the whole idea as some sort of conspiracy theory. My view is that they simply suffer from a very common condition called 'normalcy bias'. They cannot conceive of a future which isn't more or less like the recent past.

By the way, the best quote I've read about conspiracy theories is this one: "The only people who call conspiracies 'theories' are the conspirators." Jay Weidner. Anyone who does not believe that there are conspiracies doesn't understand the meaning of the word. All a conspiracy is, is when two or more individuals get together in secret to plan some course of action - period.

What we are seeing today in the West, and particularly in the English-speaking world, is, for lack of a better word, a vast "neo-conservative" conspiracy to create a World government with a single World currency (money) and a World army. And there are some who would say, 'Well what's wrong with that?'. They have visions of Peace amongst nations, etc. It never seems to occur to them that if such fundamental systems were put under the control of a single authority, the result would be tyranny on the grandest of scales.

However, I do not believe that what we have is a military dictatorship in the U.S. The U.S. military is just a tool, one of many, being used by the dictatorship. The dictatorship is fascistic in that the powers in control of it are corporations and central banks. In other words the government is "owned". It is no longer of the People. It is no longer a government under Law.

I believe that this dictatorship is symbolized by Pluto in Capricorn. Pluto is the urge to power and Capricorn is the epitome of the State as a modus operandi. In its worst form the Sign Capricorn can be symbolic of the collective over the individual, which is totalitarianism. Of course the most famous analysis of this condition was George Orwell's 1984.

Hopefullly (for all of us, even those who are still blithely complacent in their ignorance), Uranus is the agent of deliverance; he is the unquenchable thirst of the individual for autonomy and liberty. Man was not made to be a serf or slave to some nameless, impersonal collective excercising unlimited power.

Last edited by Saintpaulia; 02-24-2012 at 03:20 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Unread 02-24-2012, 08:47 PM
Mark's Avatar
Mark Mark is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Georgia, US
Posts: 1,428
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

Thank you, Saintpaulia, for that wonderfully reasonable post. It's nice to see that self-evident fact still means something to someone.
__________________
http://www.twelvestaralmanac.com/
Free Astrological Tools, Calculators, and Ephemerides
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Unread 02-24-2012, 09:10 PM
waybread's Avatar
waybread waybread is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: A class M planet near you
Posts: 14,962
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

Did any of you see the film Beautiful Mind?
__________________
My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. Jack Layton, "Letter to Canadians"

I thought we went along paths--but it seems there are no paths. The going itself is the path.
C.S. Lewis, Perelandra.

Life is not about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself. Message on a refrigerator magnet.
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Unread 02-25-2012, 04:20 AM
piercethevale's Avatar
piercethevale piercethevale is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alta California
Posts: 8,552
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

Quote:
Originally Posted by waybread View Post
Did any of you see the film Beautiful Mind?
Yes, I did...and the gent still produced a 'solution' that was flawed.
He never considered the feelings of the 'Pretty Girl', did he?
No, he didn't. What He was concerned about was, [excuse me for being so blunt..but I don't pull punches when such a 'punch' is called for.] getting himself and his 'mates'...'laid'.
The correct solution...IMHO...of course...would have been to gotten another gent to join their own entourage...a gentleman as equally good looking and charming as the 'Pretty Blonde' [as she was portrayed in the movie] was pretty.
Then...and only then, should they have proceeded as they did.
We have had over 50 years of economic, political policies based on this flawed reasoning, and policies of risk assessment and compensation as they pertain to the Insurance business.
Think about this. It is the correct solution. I figured it out sometime around 2003...a year or two after I saw the movie. I've brought this to the attention of a couple of people that are rather well qualified to make a judgement...or at least assess and state an informed and educated opinion... and they agree with me. Too bad I'm not a mathematician...I would write it as an equation and present it.

@Saintpaulia. The trans-Saturnian planets do affect mass society and personal astrology. All the Planets do, for that matter...just because they move at a slower pace through the degrees of the zodiac doesn't alter or change the 'laws' by which all Planets are subject to or that Humankind is affected any differently by them. I know this from my own personal experience and nearly 30 years of observation. The Moons Nodes are also of the cause and concern of affect as to society and individuals.
Maybe the members that you speak of aren't informed as to the world condition at the present and are consciously restraining themselves [which is a good rule to follow..if you're ignorant of a topic it's best to keep silent.] or possibly that isn't any concern to them...or even possibly they just din't have the time or inclination to get into it.
This mis-understanding of those outer planets affect of, either being absent, or only relevant to 'Mundane' matters, is caused by the 'Trads' [as we call them here bouts..], and as to the 'Mundane issue, it's their desperate and rather amusing* desperation to retain some sort of 'perceived' hierarchy of positioning on some ladder or pedestal of authoritative recognition/public esteem that they imagine themselves to so be on top of.... The majority of the most tenacious of them, it seems to me that they, appear to actually be having some internal struggle within themselves to have to even admit that there are planets beyond Saturn that weren't 'known' of from the times their precious 'Trad.' astrology...ahem...'Developed' during.

*I find it rather amusing, that is to say. [but also it gets tedious and annoying after years of being subjected to it...]
__________________
You Are A Divine Creation Of The Universe

Last edited by piercethevale; 02-25-2012 at 10:34 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Unread 02-25-2012, 05:44 PM
Saintpaulia's Avatar
Saintpaulia Saintpaulia is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Washington (the state)
Posts: 5
Exclamation Was 'military dictatorship in the U.S.'

Perhaps a clarification is called for. I did not mean to imply that the trans-Saturnian planets do not operate within an individual’s natal chart. The misunderstood passage seems to be “The trans-Saturnian planets are not about individuals per se. They are collective planets, or as Rudhyar put it, planets of the collective unconscious. This square is going to be active on a global scale, not just in some person's natal chart!”

Note the qualifications of ‘per se’ and ‘not just’. Some of the strangely heated replies to my post must have missed this.

Of course Uranus, Neptune and Pluto operate in the natal chart. But they do so differently from the anciently recognized seven. Being outside of Saturn’s ‘ring-pass-not’, they are not part of the personal ego structure which is contained by Saturn. Hence Saturn’s association with limits. This is why the trans-Saturnian planets are also sometimes called “trans-personal”.

Consequently, if an individual has, say, Uranus very strong in their chart, they will be very definitely influenced by Uranian currents within the greater World at large. The issues which this Uranus would bring to the individual’s chart would not be of a personal nature, but rather would be of greater social, collective issues. More than his/her peers without such a Uranus, this person would be more affected by revolutions in consciousness which are operating throughout a given society.

I hope this clears up any unfortunate misunderstandings.
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Unread 02-25-2012, 08:00 PM
Mark's Avatar
Mark Mark is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Georgia, US
Posts: 1,428
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

I recall reading things quite similar in Rudhyar's writings. Saturn functions like the skin of the body, separating the "heavy inside" from the "lighter outside." Rudhyar also assumes two "energetic flows" in the solar system (which I find to be a needed and justified realisation). One flow comes outward from the Sun, passing the inner planets first. Another flow comes from the centre of the galaxy (Sgr A*) and flows toward the Sun. I would postulate, though I don't know if Rudhyar would agree, that each star (particularly Arcturus) would have its own flow toward the Sun. This separates the inner solar system from the outer solar system, just as the inner person is separated from the outer person. Saturn hereby functions as the dweller on the threshold; the flaming sword at the gate; that part of yourself which you must befriend, but scares the hell out of you.
__________________
http://www.twelvestaralmanac.com/
Free Astrological Tools, Calculators, and Ephemerides
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Unread 02-25-2012, 11:49 PM
piercethevale's Avatar
piercethevale piercethevale is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alta California
Posts: 8,552
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark View Post
I recall reading things quite similar in Rudhyar's writings. Saturn functions like the skin of the body, separating the "heavy inside" from the "lighter outside." Rudhyar also assumes two "energetic flows" in the solar system (which I find to be a needed and justified realisation). One flow comes outward from the Sun, passing the inner planets first. Another flow comes from the centre of the galaxy (Sgr A*) and flows toward the Sun. I would postulate, though I don't know if Rudhyar would agree, that each star (particularly Arcturus) would have its own flow toward the Sun. This separates the inner solar system from the outer solar system, just as the inner person is separated from the outer person. Saturn hereby functions as the dweller on the threshold; the flaming sword at the gate; that part of yourself which you must befriend, but scares the hell out of you.
Mark, would you happen to recall which book of Rudyar's you get that fro?. It's more or less what I noted in a post at actastrology to Michael Ealrlwine as to influences flowing outward from the Sun...I haven't read all of Rudhyar's works...in truth more like a 'relatively' small amount. But then He wtote so many books and not all on Astrology.

@Saintpaulia. I don't know gal, I beg to differ.
| I have an extremely powerful Uranus in my chart and also Neptune and Pluto for that matter.
The effecty of Uranus in sole occupancy of my 8th house tine my Asc. and sextile my Sun, square my Venus and a Saturn/Neptune conj. ['T'-Square] [Jeez...I never realized until this very moment that I have a sextile YOD to my natal Venus via Lilith and my Asc. hmmmmmm....interesting..but I digress]
I find that from what I do know of Uranus' influence on me that it is very much a part of my identity...and I assume part of the make-up of my 'ego' as well.

The strong concern about my 'Dark Side'...in fact a number of dreams that would be interpreted as such. [my brother is quite good at dream interpretation...but then He's a Pisces also]].] The idea that I have always sensed deep within my self that I may even control the time of my death...or the thought that I may somehow escape it altogether..,as my good friend, 'Suryakant', is alleged to have done in a prior incarnation [it is said the he was given ascension into Heaven without to having undergone death].

Remember that Uranus' orbit is 84 years...exactly one expected life span. That should indicate to us that it is in its' way to be of great personal influence. I find that it has been as such to me. Especially May 6, 2001...the exact day it conj. my nadir...it was the day I was evicted from my home. [a long story that leads to right up to this present moment.] I find it has been quite personally influential through out my life as a matter of fact...but then even the Moons Node was MOST CONSPICUOUSLY in affect on Dec. 22, 2005the very day I gave presentation on AM radio KOA out of Denver, Colo. on the Rick Barber program on the natal chart I claim [propose] is that of Yeshua/Jesus and how the Sabian Symbols are the determinate factor in achieving that and how the symbols do indicate those matters and affect given by Rudhyar in his book on the Symbols. this is because the Node was in the 10th degree of Aries that day...the Sabian Symbol for that is:[Rudhyar] "A TEACHER GIVES NEW SYMBOLIC FORMS TO TRADITIONAL IMAGES."
but then you should know and understand that the Sabian Symbol for my natal Uranus at the 16th degree of Cancer is:[ibid.]
" A MAN STUDYING A MANDALA IN FRONT OF HIM, WITH THE HELP OF A VERY ANCIENT BOOK." ...keeping in mind that the name of Rudhyar's book on the Sabians is "An Astrological Mandalla"...
I could give you examples of how my natal Pluto and Neptune Sabians have the same personal type of affect. [or is it effect...as per we are on the subject of psychological matters and that's where the use of these two words gets tricky...they can shift places...adjective - noun...noun - adjective...but again, I digress.]
Then again I'm said to be a most spiritually oriented and progressed soul and that may have some bearing on this matter [and not to be egotistical about this...I would prefer not having to ever state such a thing again...but it is just what is...Mark will understand my reason for stating such...possibly as to being qualified to make such a statement...at least for the reason why I would make such a statement, anyways.].

As to Neptune and Pluto and their relationship to me...I'll leave that alone for awhile to give it some more thought...they have certainly had their affect on me...I just can't say at this moment how personal ...except as to Plutos' recent coj. of my Part of Intelligence ...which was the same aformentioned night I gave the radio broadcast...[as it had been there quite a while and would remain sometime after].

Pluto also conj. my, so called, Part of Transformation @ 28* Sag. 24' which did affect me. [and as I was now again put in the position of confronting this 'Part/Lot' of which I don't care for the appellation given it. It has given me a chance to finally 'nail it down', so to speak, I believe. As the Part of Transformation is Asc. + Uranus - Mars and Pluto is the Planet of Transformation...this 'Lot' shouldn't be termed 'Transformative' but rather a form of 'Informative'...as to Uranus being the Higher octave of Mercury and as I discussed the Part of Imagination which involve Uranus and not Neptune and decide that it should rather be termed the Part of Intuition...in the case of the subject at hand I 'm getting the impression that it should be named the Part of Intuitive Awareness of Being...in that an understanding of your 'Higher' self does create something of a 'transformation' with in one self...I'll leave that as it stands here and start a discussion on that in the Degree Symbols sub forum...possibly in my existing thread on Astrological parts in ongoing study.].

Pluto just did conj. my Part of Hyleg also, at 06* Cap. 07'...I would say it had its affect there too...but as the understanding of that particular Lot is still being mulled over by myself...I 'm not going to try to be specific about it as of yet.
As Pluto conj. my Part of Commerce @ 05* Sag. 00' I would say it 'ripped me a new one' ...to be very, very blunt...oh yes it did...OH YES IT DID...THANK YOU!!! [ WOW, man, I hadn't considered that one before...I must say...this is turning into a most interesting thread...!...thanks gang!].
...and in late 1975 Pluto conj. that 'Lot' that I termed Innocence [Asc. + Merc. - Mars] and it was the closure of my 'childhood' at that time....[wow, another one I hadn't given consideration or thought to...most interesting...Superb Thread...!!!! 5 Stars...!!!!!...for me anyways...]

Well, there you have it...I'm going to fix me so breakfast now...or a second one...I just got up {an hour ago} having gone to bed around 8 AM this morning and it's nearly 5 PM now...back later, ya' all.
ptv



my chart...
Attached Images
File Type: jpg astro_2gw_03_dave_m.77790.6371.jpg (86.9 KB, 4 views)
__________________
You Are A Divine Creation Of The Universe

Last edited by piercethevale; 02-26-2012 at 04:13 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Unread 02-26-2012, 01:30 AM
Mark's Avatar
Mark Mark is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Georgia, US
Posts: 1,428
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

Planetary Octaves and Rulership by Dane Rudhyar
First Published: Horoscope Magazine; November, 1958

http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astro...aryoctaves.php
__________________
http://www.twelvestaralmanac.com/
Free Astrological Tools, Calculators, and Ephemerides
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Unread 02-26-2012, 03:02 AM
piercethevale's Avatar
piercethevale piercethevale is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alta California
Posts: 8,552
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

Thanks Mark...kudos
__________________
You Are A Divine Creation Of The Universe
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Unread 03-03-2012, 07:12 AM
piercethevale's Avatar
piercethevale piercethevale is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alta California
Posts: 8,552
Re: military dictadorship inthe u.s.

More Very Discouraging News...

http://open.salon.com/blog/watchingf...peech_a_felony

MARCH 1, 2012 12:33PM
"Outlawing Occupy: H.R. 347 Makes Free Speech A Felony."

[an excerpt]
"...Obviously aimed at the Occupy Movement, these modifications [H.R. 347, passed by a vote of 399 to 3] to U.S. Code Title 18 Section 1752 will seriously diminish the right of American citizens to petition their Government for a redress of grievances by outlawing protests where key government officials or other VIP's may be nearby. Federal law enforcement agents will be empowered to bring these charges against Americans engaged in political protests anywhere in the country, and violators will face criminal penalties that include imprisonment for up to 10 years...."

Welcome to Fourth Reich Amerika...
__________________
You Are A Divine Creation Of The Universe
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Military Career astro88 Read My Chart 7 08-01-2017 06:03 AM
ex boyfriend & girl about to join military (+photo) petalpossom Read My Chart 1 06-18-2011 06:09 PM
Great Military conquerors: Mars in Virgo/Gemini Yoi Natal Astrology 4 10-24-2007 04:04 PM
Continuance of military service? Rubella Horary Questions on Relational Issues 5 09-27-2006 08:45 PM
Military Service astro88 Horary Astrology 15 01-30-2006 09:36 AM



All times are GMT. The time now is 10:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2005-2018, AstrologyWeekly.com. Boards' structure and all posts are property of AstrologyWeekly.com and their respective creators. No part of the messages sent on these boards may be copied without their owners' explicit consent.