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Unread 08-30-2014, 07:29 AM
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Does B hate me?

I didn't mean to give him an angry stare when I last saw him last year in September. I was just shocked to see him and didn't have the guts to politely smile.

I'm so stupid! Why do I do that? I've ruined every possible chance to at least get to know him better!

Does B hate me?

I had an intense feeling from that memory and created a chart.

My learning interpretation:

I am Saturn and he is Venus and it looks like a negative or non existant with the square reception. Is that because we are not communicating? Or is there dislike or disinterest to communicate with me?

Dignified Mercury the planet of communications is in his third house and my ninth house.

Pluto in the first house shows I'm vulnerable, but it is retrograde so does that mean I will feel better soon. What exactly does retrograde mean?

Moon is in the house where we focus on. Mine is in the 10th house while his is in the 4th house.

Mars is dignified.

Is the Sun in the way as I heard that if it is too close then it blinds the communication.
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Unread 08-30-2014, 10:17 PM
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Re: Does B hate me?

Nop, he doesn't hate you... He is exalting you = Moon in Libra. He likes you and still care about you.

But he is rejecting you by your own position in Scorpio, so that means that he is just very mad at you, at this time he is not seeing you in a positive way, because you are not responsive to his needs.
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Re: Does B hate me?

He will enter to a very bad phase, something is going to change. There will be an event with him (eventually), but after he squares Jupiter which rules your house of communications.

Any thing regarding to this question will happen in a larger period of time because significators are in fixed signs.

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He will enter to a very bad phase, something is going to change. There will be an event with him (eventually), but after he squares Jupiter which rules your house of communications.

Any thing regarding to this question will happen in a larger period of time because significators are in fixed signs.
Thanks for this interpretation. Does that mean it's going to get worse between us as he is going into a very bad phase or does that mean he's having a hard time personally? Which planets or signs are showing that and what kind of event? I don't think his father's doing well. I feel awful and just want to hug him, but there is nothing I can do unless he reaches out first.

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Unread 08-31-2014, 03:54 AM
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Re: Does B hate me?

Hold on...isn't the moon void or in via combusta?
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Re: Does B hate me?

The Moon is NOT VOC, see the following thread and you may understand why!

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=77830

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/voc.html

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/void.html

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewto...45c89cb60dc4dd


http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7399


http://tmp.skyscript.co.uk/forums/vi...599d461fae6fc6


http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...hp/t-8909.html

The Moon is NOT VOC, many authors in recent years have misunderstood the concept, wrote vast numbers of books and the misconception is further etched into astrology that is a fallacy!

Christian Astrology II by William Lilly, page 110:

"Separation, it is in the first place, when two Planets are departed but six minutes distances from each other, as let SA be in 10. degr. and 25. of Aries and JU in 10. degr. and 25. min. of Aries: now in these degrees and minutes they are in perfect 0; but when JU shall get into 10. degr. and 31. or 32. minutes of Aries, he shall said to be separating from SA; yet because SA hath 9. degr. allowed him for his rayes, and JU hath also the same number allowed him, JU cannot be said to be totally separated or cleere from the rayes of SA, untill he hath got 9. whole degrees further into ar, or is fully 9. degr. distant from him, for the halfe of JU his orbe is 4. degr. 30. min. and the halfe of SA his orbe is 4. degr. 30. min. added together they make 9. whole degrees; for every Planet that applies is allowed halfe his owne orbs and halfe the orbs of that Planet from whom he separates: As if SO and MO be in any aspect, the MO shall then be separated from the SO, when she is fully distant from the SO 7. degr. and 30. min. viz. half the orbs or the SO, and 6. degr. the moity of her owne orbes; in all 13. degr. and 30. minutes."
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Many artists misunderstand this but Lilly knew like few astrologers do today!

BIG PROBLEM of this particular horary!


William Lilly, Christian Astrology I, page 122

"Its not safe to judge when the Moon is in the later degrees of a Sign, especially in Gemini, Scorpio or Capricorn; or as some say, when she is in Via Combusta, which is, when she is in the last 15 degrees of Libra, or the first fifteen degrees of Scorpio."

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=25373

Dr. Farr

"(Note: following is presented only as historical information)

Al-Biruni, Ibn Ezra and others of that time (around the 10th-12th centuries AD) taught that when a planet is in the last degree (what we would now call the 29th degree) of a sign, all of its power is transferred to the next sign (and should be delineated as in the next sign for all practical purposes) However, they did NOT apply this delineative rule to planets even at 28 degrees of a sign (or other late degree) I myself do not follow this rule in delineation, but many traditionalist practitioners either follow this rule exactly, or expand this 29 degree limit to the last several degrees of a planet in a sign.
Both the above cited authors also taught that any planet is "weak" when in the first 5 degrees of a sign, so it follows that a planet at 29 degrees of a sign, having its power "transferred" into the next sign, would be as if it were posited in the first degrees of that sign, and therefore would be "weak" in its influences (according to the above authors)
Again, I myself do not follow these ideas in my delineations, but many traditionalist practitioners do so, more or less."

One may wish to reflect upon why Sue Ward is stating in regard to The Moon in Late Degrees.

http://www.horary.com/sward/Consids.html

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=32292

Dr. Farr on planets at 29 degrees

Re: Late Degree Signifactors

"I have discussed my outlook on this question in other threads, but I'll say that for me the answer is no-except for certain special circumstances I consider planets in the same sign even at 29 degrees of that sign.

But what was the attitude of older authorities in this? Pretty much both Al-Biruni and certainly Ibn Ezra considered planets in the 28th degree to STILL BE in the same sign, but that at 29 degrees they regarded them (their influence) to have "all passed over" into the next sign-as if that planet were in fact in the next sign.

I have had very satisfactory delineative results (to me at least) with my attitude, that-under almost all circumstances- a planet is in its same sign even though it is in the 29th degree..."

Serena takes the opinion of Lilly in '...Is The Moon in Late degrees?..' in the following?

http://www.serenapowers.com/horary.html

The following horary course, under Where is the Moon confirms Lilly's approach

http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/...1/lesson1.html

In the 'Next to the Last Paragraph' of the following document, the horary artist confirms Lilly's opinion of the Moon in Late degrees and of Gemini as in this horary

http://www.horaryastrology.info/2010...-judgment.html

See Sue Ward's Considerations of the Moon in Late Degrees confirming Lilly's rationale

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~suewar...of%20lilly.htm

See the following under Moon in Late Degree before Collection of Light, the owner evidently got this from Lilly and others Lilly studied from

http://www.kronosofia.dk/frames/side...ry/horary.html

Or from the following website Moon in a Late Degree

http://antiscion.blogspot.com/2011/0...derations.html

This discussion in 'Should the Moon be in Late Degrees' and about the confusion of 'Moon VOC' needs to be understood

http://starsandstones.wordpress.com/...oid-of-course/

I don't know about some horary artists but I would hope as Lilly taught, we would try to be very accurate and have great concern for the querant or other horary artists seeking help for our own credibility and of the art!

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Re: Does B hate me?

Is the turned 4th house the final outcome of this question or relationship? Or just the moon?

I know that Neptune (significator of confusion) is not really looked at in horary, but it is trine with Moon and I do feel that there have been misunderstandings over the years between us. Could this possible aspect show a future communication that clears up a lot of misunderstandings?

There looks to be sextile between Mars and Mercury (communication)?
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Re: Does B hate me?

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Is the turned 4th house the final outcome of this question or relationship? Or just the moon?


4th is end of the matter of query.

But you didn't notice where the moon is as stated in my prior post!
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Re: Does B hate me?

I read your post, but some of your links don't work. You're saying that the moon is not in VOC.

Does that mean this horary chart is still readable? I still don't understand the outcome of this chart in the 4th house.

I'm only a beginner, but it looks like communication will be in the near future (5 months?) with Mercury (Communication) sexile (positive?) Mars (Action)??? Mercury is in the turned 3rd house, does that mean communicate online?

Probably nothing is going to happen, but at least I'm learning how to interpret a horary chart.
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Hold on...isn't the moon void or in via combusta?
Via Combusta merely describes your current emotional angst.

Mars (in 11th friends house) square Sun and Venus tells you that there is no possibility for romance (5th) or relationship (7th) at this time.

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Re: Does B hate me?

Thanks Tora. That makes sense.
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Re: Does B hate me?

Are we talking about your brother here?
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Are we talking about your brother here?
Gosh no! It's someone I'm in love with.
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