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I think waybread is giving as good as she gets.

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Your error [IMO] is that you're assuming that he actually believes what he says he believes. He's a catalytic thinker and an excellent debater--picks a point of view and defends it, the more controversial the better.
That is so interesting, that you think close-minded trolling can be called debate.
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That is so interesting, that you think close-minded trolling can be called debate.
He has blinders and earmuffs. Judgement, is his. Blind, deaf justice.
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"His blood be on us and our children".

Well... I guess there should be modified statement in Credo. Happy palm sunday everyone.
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He has blinders and earmuffs. Judgement, is his. Blind, deaf justice.
It's called "Apologetics", oddly enough, because no apologies are made.
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"His blood be on us and our children".

Well... I guess there should be modified statement in Credo. Happy palm sunday everyone.
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The only ones who will burn in hell fire are those who believe that hell fire actually exists.

Agreed!


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This is why I think a literary approach to the Bible has much to recommend it. We can find profound meaning in the Bible without expecting it to be factually correct.



True, I agree with this too.
But I still like to see the proof where possible. Perhaps too much of an earth sign is my problem.
For example, talking about this subject (since the movie "The 10 Commandments, starring Edward G. Robinson, "Where's you god NOWWWW Moses", and Charlton Heston as Moses was on last night circa 1963?



We were talking about whether or not Hatshepsut before she was Pharaoh could have been the Princess who had Moses taken out of the bulrushes in the Nile. My research says its either her, (very possibly), or one just after her, but i think it's her from the 18th Dynasty.



Somehow, I think reality (Moses for example, plus Joshua, and the brother of Moses, the wives, etc) were all historical people, but I cannot prove it either. Josephus wrote about (Hatshepsut) but mentioned a different name, and he was considered an historian in his time. The Egyptians were very much into historical writing, keeping records, etc. But there were a few Pharoahs who the descendants managed to try & obliterate from history (not good to do), yet although they tried with Hatshepsut & with Akhenaton to obliterate them, they were not totally successful, so there is proof existing of their rule, the number of years, their parentage, etc. They were considered in their day also, "heretical" as Akhenaton founded the One God religion, the Atun i.e. the Solar disk and even moved the capitol of Egypt to Thebes. So we can easily understand perhaps how they'd want to obliterate him for messing with the cultural religious beliefs.



Yet there is nothing concerning the Exodus as mentioned earlier. Zip, nada, zero - nothing! .....There is such a thing in literary works as the book publisher on Quora writes:
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Artistic license (also known as Artistic Licence in the UK, art licenselo, historical license, dramatic license, poetic license, narrative license, licentia poetica, or simply license) is a colloquial term, sometimes a euphemism, used to denote the distortion of fact, alteration of the conventions of grammar or language, or rewording of pre-existing text made by an artist in the name of art.
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In other words it’s not a physical “license” at all. It’s the thing that writers do when they distort or exaggerate the truth in order to make a point.


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Leomoon, you are aware of the serious knock-down drag-'em-out debates over biblical archaeology. (Played out in the pages of Biblical Archaeology.) A big project of believing Christians and Jews. In which believing Christians and Jews have used archaeological findings to bolster their claims that the Bible is a true history.


On the opposite side are Palestinian Arab supporters. who claim that the archaeological evidence simply doesn't support an Exodus of Jews from Egypt or the entrance into the land of Israel as a one-time event.
You don't have to be a "Palestinian Arab Supporter" to note there is NO Archeological evidence ever found to support the Exodus tale.



I'm rather certain that not ALL of those Jews (such as the man who wrote the article on Israeli newpaper Haaretz I posted) - is or is not an Arab Palestinian Supporter.



Haaretz from all my years reading them, is one of the two big Israeli newspapers, less orthodox perhaps, and more open the the greater world then their counterpart the Times of Israel.



But I don't think it's fair either to bring up Palestinian Supporters in relation to this question of the Exodus Or trying to infer political choice in seeking out truth and proof.


Many people are neutral in this world.
They simply seek truth...
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Do you know something funny, bro?

There's a couple new age guys, trying to preach me the Bible. But they didn't even know WHO has canonized the Bible. That's the only thing I could say pertains to what mr. Morinus 2.0 has been stressing about.
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Waybread, Leomoon doesn't reject the plausible Exodus because of the absence of other supporting evidence (if it were so, she would have to immediately reject the demoniac's visions of Atlantis and Lemuria), but because it puts the Egyptian religion as base and inferior to the one of Moses.
I appreciate Leomoon's post but I actually wasn't speaking to her beliefs about Exodus, but to mine.
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What I give unto you, you can't yet give unto me.

So what do you think you're giving unto me? And what's with the "yet" bit?

See if you can write more clearly.

You've called yourself a sinner, Petosiris; but I'm actually picking up a Holier Than Thou vibe from your posts.
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You don't have to be a "Palestinian Arab Supporter" to note there is NO Archeological evidence ever found to support the Exodus tale.



I'm rather certain that not ALL of those Jews (such as the man who wrote the article on Israeli newpaper Haaretz I posted) - is or is not an Arab Palestinian Supporter.



Haaretz from all my years reading them, is one of the two big Israeli newspapers, less orthodox perhaps, and more open the the greater world then their counterpart the Times of Israel.



But I don't think it's fair either to bring up Palestinian Supporters in relation to this question of the Exodus Or trying to infer political choice in seeking out truth and proof.


Many people are neutral in this world.
They simply seek truth...
Of course, I take you point, Leomoon. When I wrote the above, I was thinking that some academic circles (notably in Britain) are very anti-Israel. Archaeologists typically are academics. Then their findings-- with interpretations-- are subsequently taken up by a more popular press.

Do you read Biblical Archaeology or the Jerusalem Post? It doesn't matter to me either way. Just curious.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
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Of course, I take you point, Leomoon. When I wrote the above, I was thinking that some academic circles (notably in Britain) are very anti-Israel. Archaeologists typically are academics. Then their findings-- with interpretations-- are subsequently taken up by a more popular press.

Do you read Biblical Archaeology or the Jerusalem Post? It doesn't matter to me either way. Just curious.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.

I use to years ago, but not any more, since either my computer has changed, (I am computer illiterate COMPLETELY), and my husband "fixed it" so that many sites I can't even read as I use to. I recall however, I use to enjoy Haaretz far more, because they were more open minded, imo, and into often have archeology from various regions, interesting articles.


But everytime I go onto these sites now ( I still get the email notices) I can only head the headlines and believe me we both tried everything to get the computer operating without banning the ads, etc. He has, I have, but nothing seems to work.

Same with the Washington Post these days, and I think the Atlantic.


So I rely on trying to find the headlines elsewhere now. OR as in this case, going onto his computer and he easily opens it no prob!!


What is really strange is that I'm using his equipment, i.e. he installed onto my computer. We both have Kaspersky, that was never an issue, so I am clueless what is going on now.


Long answer, - but short answer is "No"..to either.



I did however, open this link today since you mentioned the name:


Too much to get into for me now, but scanning thru I didn't see anything about "proof found"....just tons of mapsk potential mountains, waterways, etc and seemingly trying to fit a puzzle piece into a belief system carried forward.


I was also curious about Josephus, of course he worked FOR the Romans, but wrote for the Jewish population at that time, being Jewish himself. Cayce inferred btw, that he wasn't altogether neutral because of this. (i.e. may be repeating the story as always taught)



It was only once that I recall that the name came up.



I just don't have the time to devote now to too much research into it as I'd like.



https://biblearchaeology.org/researc...and-hatshepsut
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Where's Petosiris? I miss you already!

Hope you (and everyone else on this thread) is staying healthy.

Speaking of gender, probably we've all heard the expression, "God is love." (1 John 4:8)

Love in French "l'amour" is masculine. An irregular noun, it is feminine in the plural.

"Amore" in Italian is masculine.

Love in German, "Liebe" is feminine.

In Hebrew, how you say, "I love you" depends upon your gender, and the gender of the person to whom you are speaking. The noun "ahava" is feminine.

In Greek, "God is love," Θεός είναι αγάπη Theós eínai agápi uses a feminine word (agape, in English, connoting reverence.

In English "love" is neuter.
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It doesn't seem like I am wanted here. Happy Passover, Waybread.
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It doesn't seem like I am wanted here. Happy Passover, Waybread.
Do you celebrate Easter, Peto? If so, then happy Easter!

Btw, you ARE wanted here. Who else do we have to argue with in such an interesting, informative, and factual way?

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It doesn't seem like I am wanted here. Happy Passover, Waybread.

Of course you're wanted! Disagreed with, perhaps, but definitely wanted. Thanks to you I've done more Bible reading for this thread than I had for a long time. That's good, right? Call me masochistic, but I am fine with a debate that gets me thinking, just so long as it stays civil.

As I mentioned on several posts, I've been inactive in Judaism for over 20 years, and am married to a lapsed Anglican. So no Passover seder here. But this is a good time to think about the broader meaning of the Exodus story which Passover commemorates. Due to COVID-19, I don't think a lot of people will be holding large Passover seders.

I hope that all of you Christians have a meaningful Easter.

Ps 30:5. "...for weeping endures for a night, but joy comes in the morning."
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It doesn't seem like I am wanted here. Happy Passover, Waybread.

Have a Blessed Easter, Passover, and Ramadan (whenever it comes this year), to all of you who frequent this thread.



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There are 2 outer things I miss about my childhood Church. (Roman Catholic)


1) Incense on holy days (burning it at home isn't the same thing...)




2) Christmas songs & especially Easter songs.


The newer songs don't do it for me...


I also miss Marshmallow peeps (yellow & pink), and heard that the company who made them by the gobs, closed down this year. Poor kids!


note: I'm the girl in the photo. My Scorpio cousin, died of alcoholism a few years ago Back in the 50s, we were young and innocent. Thats how I prefer to remember him. Growing up however, I lived with him and his new pregnant wife when they were both high school teachers, just starting out. We had fun all 3 of us too. He use to draw these really strange B & W line drawings of men with nooses around their necks, hanging, or medieval type of things (guillotines?) I suppose I worried, but didn't know he was a Scorpio Sun then like his mom at that time. Both of them artists and he was in Army Intel for a career. Funny, how you recall these things.











THIS was interesting too:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-eas..._HZK4MLM8k9RdI


from New Zealand article :

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Oh please, continue, Petosiris.

I can see why you would take probably what I said to heart. Sorry.

I will not disturb your subject any further.
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Oh please, continue, Petosiris.

I can see why you would take probably what I said to heart. Sorry.

I will not disturb your subject any further.

Don't leave OPAL .....Its important everyone has their say, their own opinion. Please say you'll stay If anyone should go, I should, but I won't! I'm rather ornery like that.


This is my favorite by far of all the more modern (last century) Painters...Tissot.



He's my "go to" for oils in my Kindle books -


This one is John & Peter running to the Tomb after Mary alerted them. I love all his paintings, its hard to choose sometimes between them.



John 20:2-4 2
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So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the LORD out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!" So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first.
By James J. Tissot


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Don't leave OPAL .....Its important everyone has their say, their own opinion. Please say you'll stay If anyone should go, I should, but I won't! I'm rather ornery like that.


This is my favorite by far of all the more modern (last century) Painters...Tissot.



He's my "go to" for oils in my Kindle books -


This one is John & Peter running to the Tomb after Mary alerted them. I love all his paintings, its hard to choose sometimes between them.



John 20:2-4 2
By James J. Tissot


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Sharing this, found today:

This synogogue named Ben Ezra, is very old, and part of the Coptic Cairo area. It's a 3 D Video:


https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=9s...wWD4kpxttfHGac



Within this same area in walking distance just a few feet away,and on the same street; is a church that is quite ancient, but recently renovated I saw, (when we were last there, it was not renovated yet, but they had the scaffolding up) ..The church was built atop the basement where it was believed Jesus stayed as a child with his parents until Joseph had the dream it was safe to return to Palestine, which they did, settling in Nazareth, the childhood home of Mary. It was told to us, that the basement area was flooded from the Nile river (although it doesn't appear to be close to it now), - but water seepage from the Nile is quite prevalent within the whole of old Cairo, even near the Pyramids.



This is the Cave Where He Stayed (Cairo, Egypt). This is the tiny well where the Holy Family used to get their water. The Church of Saints Sergius and Bacchus is inside the Coptic compound in Cairo.


http://www.coptic-cairo.com/oldcairo...rga/sarga.html


According to a biblical narration by evangelist Matthew (Chapter 2), Virgin Mary, Joseph and the baby Jesus fled from Palestine to Egypt out of fear from the persecution of the Jewish King Herod the Great. The Holy Family traveled as far as Assiut (“Deir el Muharraq”) and on their way back home spent some weeks in Old Cairo.

Abu Sarga is dedicated to the two Saints Sergius and Bacchus who served as soldiers in the Roman Army. They were faithful followers of the Lord Jesus and refused to worship the Roman gods. For their Christian belief, Sergius and Bacchus eventually suffered martyrdom in Syria in 296 during the reign of the Roman Emperor Maximinus. Their relics are partly kept in Abu Sarga and others are buried in Syria.

From the 9th to the 12th century, significant patriarchs were elected and several bishops consecrated in Abu Sarga until the 11th century. Although the church was restored several times (11th and 17th century, the last restoration was undertaken in 2000), it still preserves its Medieval charm.


https://goodquestionblog.com/2017/01...live-in-egypt/


https://goodquestionblog.com/2014/07...live-in-egypt/
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At about the 1:05 mark, if you move the video to that place, you can see the black nondescript door to the very far left of the altar, which leads you to the basement where Jesus and his mother & Joseph hid and stayed:


https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...4&&FORM=VDRVRV




(behind a large pillar to the far left across from the altar i.e. a black doorway )



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It's called "Apologetics", oddly enough, because no apologies are made.
I give apologies whenever I think I should. Oddly enough, apologetics, rarely acknowledge them.
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