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I thought all Christians believed in the Trinity.
John Adams, John Quincy Adams and 2-4 more of your Presidents confessed to be Unitarian Christians. The first two at least are not to be confused with ''Unitarian Universalists'' or hyper-''rationalists'' (rationalism, which many Unitarians plunged into in the 19th century), they believed in miracles, the Bible and that Jesus is going to resurrect and judge them when he returns. There have been many Unitarian Christians throughout the ages, though many self-professed Christians would say they are not Christian or that they are cultists, because they truly say that the Father is the only true God (John 17:3).


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I've been reluctant to say this, but I've been wondering the past week or so, whether GOD may also be seen in the Covid19 virus. I think so, since God comprises all atoms & molecules. We tend however on this earth to separate with two sides, "evil" and "good" or black & white. We do so as humans when it comes to God as well. Christ-Anti-Christ and on and on.



Its likely all ONE.




I think God is "grey" or neutral. Father,Mother or whatever, it was language easily embraced 2,000 years ago during his time.


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The beauty and organization of God’s creation can be seen all around us in the macroscopic world. Everything we observe from plant life, stars, animals, rocks, air, and water—virtually everything—is composed of 90 naturally occurring building blocks known as atoms. Order starts with atoms and the subatomic particles that comprise them. This orderliness is not a random or haphazard assemblage of particles happening by accident or spontaneously organizing without an intelligent cause. Looking into the nature of atoms, creation is clearly seen. When God created, He brought order to the universe even in the smallest things, for God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).
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God is everything. Male, female, gender?, atoms, coronavirus.

Man is the manipulator of his work.

Cosmos is all. God is Cosmos.

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Opal, is he also the God of the Bible? He says that he alone is God. That is a contradiction to your statement.
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights....." -{Thomas Jefferson}
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights....." -{Thomas Jefferson}
''The Christian Religion is, above all the Religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern Times, The Religion of Wisdom, Virtue, Equity and Humanity, let the Blackguard Paine say what he will. It is Resignation to God—it is Goodness itself to Man.'' - John Adams https://founders.archives.gov/docume...0013-0002-0015
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Opal, is he also the God of the Bible? He says that he alone is God. That is a contradiction to your statement.
Petosiris,

He is the Gnostic texts. He is the Talmud. He is the Torah. He is the Koran. He is. The Cosmos.

Your version of God, is way too limiting, and judgemental for me.

What are you doing in this crisis Petosiris? Trusting in your God? or staying at home?

I am trusting in the Cosmos. If it chooses to take me, I will go, doing for others what they are too old or too scared to do for themselves.

How strong is your faith Petosiris. Are you conflicted?
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Opal, is he also the God of the Bible? He says that he alone is God. That is a contradiction to your statement.
You limit yourself to one narrow minded version of the cosmos's writing. Expand your mind. His writings, are in many languages, many cultures, many religions. To ignore, all of his words, to all humankind, is ignorant.
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There's the "We get to go to to Heaven but you don't" version of God. That version is referred to as masculine.
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I do not understand Opal, help me in my ignorance. If I am to believe that the God of the Jews is God, then he is the only God. If he is not God, then we must conclude that something is not God. Indeed this conclusion was made by Simon the Samaritan, who said that there is another God above the Father and Creator of the universe.

It is against your father that brother Irenaeus preached in truth ''If therefore the great God showed future things by Daniel, and confirmed them by His Son; and if Christ is the stone which is cut out without hands, who shall destroy temporal kingdoms, and introduce an eternal one, which is the resurrection of the just; as he declares, The God of heaven shall raise up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed,— let those thus confuted come to their senses, who reject the Creator (Demiurgum), and do not agree that the prophets were sent beforehand from the same Father from whom also the Lord came, but who assert that prophecies originated from diverse powers. For those things which have been predicted by the Creator alike through all the prophets has Christ fulfilled in the end, ministering to His Father's will, and completing His dispensations with regard to the human race. Let those persons, therefore, who blaspheme the Creator, either by openly expressed words, such as the disciples of Marcion, or by a perversion of the sense [of Scripture], as those of Valentinus and all the Gnostics falsely so called, be recognised as agents of Satan by all those who worship God; through whose agency Satan now, and not before, has been seen to speak against God, even Him who has prepared eternal fire for every kind of apostasy. For he did not venture to blaspheme his Lord openly of himself; as also in the beginning he led man astray through the instrumentality of the serpent, concealing himself as it were from God. Truly has Justin remarked: That before the Lord's appearance Satan never dared to blaspheme God, inasmuch as he did not yet know his own sentence, because it was contained in parables and allegories; but that after the Lord's appearance, when he had clearly ascertained from the words of Christ and His apostles that eternal fire has been prepared for him as he apostatized from God of his own free-will, and likewise for all who unrepentant continue in the apostasy, he now blasphemes, by means of such men, the Lord who brings judgment [upon him] as being already condemned, and imputes the guilt of his apostasy to his Maker, not to his own voluntary disposition. Just as it is with those who break the laws, when punishment overtakes them: they throw the blame upon those who frame the laws, but not upon themselves. In like manner do those men, filled with a satanic spirit, bring innumerable accusations against our Creator, who has both given to us the spirit of life, and established a law adapted for all; and they will not admit that the judgment of God is just. Wherefore also they set about imagining some other Father who neither cares about nor exercises a providence over our affairs, nay, one who even approves of all sins.'' - http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103526.htm
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I do not understand Opal, help me in my ignorance. If I am to believe that the God of the Jews is God, then he is the only God. If he is not God, then we must conclude that something is not God. Indeed this conclusion was made by Simon the Samaritan, who said that there is another God above the Father and Creator of the universe.

It is against your father that brother Irenaeus preached in truth ''If therefore the great God showed future things by Daniel, and confirmed them by His Son; and if Christ is the stone which is cut out without hands, who shall destroy temporal kingdoms, and introduce an eternal one, which is the resurrection of the just; as he declares, The God of heaven shall raise up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed,— let those thus confuted come to their senses, who reject the Creator (Demiurgum), and do not agree that the prophets were sent beforehand from the same Father from whom also the Lord came, but who assert that prophecies originated from diverse powers. For those things which have been predicted by the Creator alike through all the prophets has Christ fulfilled in the end, ministering to His Father's will, and completing His dispensations with regard to the human race. Let those persons, therefore, who blaspheme the Creator, either by openly expressed words, such as the disciples of Marcion, or by a perversion of the sense [of Scripture], as those of Valentinus and all the Gnostics falsely so called, be recognised as agents of Satan by all those who worship God; through whose agency Satan now, and not before, has been seen to speak against God, even Him who has prepared eternal fire for every kind of apostasy. For he did not venture to blaspheme his Lord openly of himself; as also in the beginning he led man astray through the instrumentality of the serpent, concealing himself as it were from God. Truly has Justin remarked: That before the Lord's appearance Satan never dared to blaspheme God, inasmuch as he did not yet know his own sentence, because it was contained in parables and allegories; but that after the Lord's appearance, when he had clearly ascertained from the words of Christ and His apostles that eternal fire has been prepared for him as he apostatized from God of his own free-will, and likewise for all who unrepentant continue in the apostasy, he now blasphemes, by means of such men, the Lord who brings judgment [upon him] as being already condemned, and imputes the guilt of his apostasy to his Maker, not to his own voluntary disposition. Just as it is with those who break the laws, when punishment overtakes them: they throw the blame upon those who frame the laws, but not upon themselves. In like manner do those men, filled with a satanic spirit, bring innumerable accusations against our Creator, who has both given to us the spirit of life, and established a law adapted for all; and they will not admit that the judgment of God is just. Wherefore also they set about imagining some other Father who neither cares about nor exercises a providence over our affairs, nay, one who even approves of all sins.'' - http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103526.htm
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Everything done has been done before,
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Must we destroy what we don't understand?
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Bad times have past, bad times will come,
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So who do I believe in? I believe in me
Worship at the shrine of the human body.
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Who do I believe in? I believe in me
Worship at the shrine of the human body.
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God may encompass everything in the universe, but he must encompass the law of identity and the law of non-contradiction. God can't be an equivocation.
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There's the "We get to go to to Heaven but you don't" version of God. That version is referred to as masculine.
What is the feminine version like?
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God may encompass everything in the universe, but he must encompass the law of identity and the law of non-contradiction. God can't be an equivocation.



Equivocation example

God: "One million years to me is a second."

Man: "What about one million dollars, my Lord?"

God: "A penny."

Man: "May my Lord give me a penny?"

God: "No problem, just a second."
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You are so blinded that you can't see that Psalm 90:4/2 Peter 3:8 is a prophecy.
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What is the feminine version like?
Much more inclusive and less conditional.
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Peter 1 3:8

Finally, be ye of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous.

I know you meant Peter 2.

Peter 1, is beautiful.

The other quotes, what? You want to quibble about the number one thousand or one million?

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Read the whole chapters, Opal, and pray to the Father that his Son may reveal his secrets hidden from before the foundations of the world to you by the Spirit of knowledge.
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Much more inclusive and less conditional.
Why? Gender is a social construct, so we can make it be about anything we want to make it be about.
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Why? Gender is a social construct, so we can make it be about anything we want to make it be about.
Religion is a social construct, so we can make it be about anything we want to make it be about.
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Religion is a social construct, so we can make it be about anything we want to make it be about.
This may be true of all religions except that of the kingdom.
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I thought God embodied all and gender is a divided concept?!
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I am not going to debate the Trinity with a Jew. I told you that I don't believe such thing. It is quite clear from our conversation who is arguing for the sake of arguing, and who is arguing for the sake of love.
Was that just an anti-semitic remark?

I will happily debate the trinity with you, Petosiris. At least I believe in the Creator. That's one out of three: something to go on.

I don't see you arguing for the sake of love, although I have given you many opportunities to do that.

Maybe, if God the Father is such a powerful image for you, you could explain why in relation to your relationship with your own father.
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No, because God wants us to have personal and growing relationship with him as a son has with a father.
How do you presume to speak for God?

Wherein is it written that one must not pray to the feminine nature of God? If "God made man in his own image, male and female He created them," (Gen. 1:27) then wouldn't this mean that part of God's nature-- and image-- is female?
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''The Christian Religion is, above all the Religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern Times, The Religion of Wisdom, Virtue, Equity and Humanity, let the Blackguard Paine say what he will. It is Resignation to God—it is Goodness itself to Man.'' - John Adams https://founders.archives.gov/docume...0013-0002-0015
OK, but he wasn't a prophet. We are free to disagree with him. Possibly Adams was unaware of the depravity of Christian persecution of Jews. Did he know about progroms in eastern Europe? Torture murder of Jews and heretics in Spain? Maybe Adams forgot about Catholics and Protestants killing one another, in various wars; or witch burnings conducted by Catholic and Protestant churches.

These are examples of why Christian triumphalism strikes a sour note with so many people.
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God may encompass everything in the universe, but he must encompass the law of identity and the law of non-contradiction. God can't be an equivocation.
What are the laws of identity and non-contradiction?

Basically there is an old theological argument about whether God is immanent or transcendent. Cf. omnipresence.

I go for immanence.
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