Haha, well, then you still owe me a Pluto interpretation! What I remember still owing you is a list of Scorpio/Mars differences. And I'm planning to do that in a separate thread since it's more complex than I initially thought. Haven't had the time so far.
What Pluto is adding to the mix is emotional depth, heightened sensitivity and great earnestness and a very rare type of determination which basically knows no limits and doesn't fear anything, not even total self-annihilation.
What Mars-Saturn is adding to the mix is Mars' restlessness, boldness and hot temper which will be tuned down considerably by Saturn's carefulness, slowness and inflexibility.
So, to focus on just one aspect of the 3rd House, communication, the Libra Moon will be rather soft-spoken, enjoy debates as long as they remain civil, quick-witted, probably an excellent story-teller and actor but emotionally speaking rather cool and detached, maybe even shallow, because the interest is more in smooth sailing along pleasing surfaces than applying effort and looking what's really going on beneath.
The Libra Moon conjunct Mars-Saturn, however, will be a little more blunt, doesn't mind to disagree and can stomach a noisy debate where things get personal. At the same time, feelings will be much more under control, but when they are expressed, it will be more temperamental. Generally speaking I would expect communication to be more tight-lipped and to the point.
The Libra Moon conjunct Pluto will also be more blunt and doesn't mind to disagree or shy away from debates when things get personal. The main difference to the Mars-Saturn is the enormous emotional depth and sensitivity. The native won't be fooled by nice words but rather (unconsciously) pick up the vibe that's behind the words and will be more interested in what's behind the curtain while the pure Libra Moon would be satisfied with the curtain as long as it is pleasing.
So, to sum it up, the pure Libra Moon will be interested in saving face and avoid ruffling any feathers and prefer a smooth, effortless, civil and lively but rather superficial style of communication (e.g. small talk or entertainment); the Libra Moon conjunct Mars and Saturn will be interested in meaningful activity and prefers a more stimulating and more meaty style of communication (e.g. politics and world affairs); the Moon conjunct Pluto will be interested getting to the bottom of things without much ado and will prefer a communication style that is investigative and straight to the point (e.g. existential questions).
I think the main fallacy or misconception about Pluto is in assuming that Pluto is fiery. If Pluto is really the ruler of Scorpio, than it has to belong to the water element. And so it should be clear that Pluto can never be a mixture of Mars and Saturn since we don't get water qualities after mixing earth qualities with fire qualities.
No its not about "free will", because many aspects of our personality are not "choices", they work how they work. People have BAD personality traits. That is a fact. Ignoring them isn't better.
It os not a
fatalistic look on life. It is a
realistic one. If you rather live in magical dreamland, where every person is good, and people don't have bad traits, that is your choicer. I rather live in the realistic world, and apply a realistic view
So in your opinion a very generalized interpretation of astrology that can apply to pretty much anyone, is better?
Instead of an interpretation that actually does tell the individuals exact personallity traits?
Traditional astrology can pin point the specific personality traits. Without eomploying general things that can account to anyone.
That is the beauty of it.
People have bad personality traits. It is a fact.
I agree that, seen from this physical perspective, we didn't choose our personality. Where I disagree is that there are good and bad traits. Good and bad are subjective value judgements, i.e. compared to what? One character trait can be considered good in one situation and bad in another situation. And in another culture or era in time, it could be considered differently still. There's no absolute right or wrong outside of you. That's why I prefer general interpretations. There's a lot of latitude in those traits. Let's take the Pluto Moon as an example. On a good day, the ability to sense what's behind the surface and the tendency to get straight to the point can be used constructively to keep conversations focused and sincere and no-nonsense, on a bad day, it can be used destructively for backhanded games of deception. It all depends if the native is in alignment or out of alignment with his inner core.
So, in that sense, I would agree that people can become predictable to a certain degree. We can predict how they deal with certain conditions. What we cannot predict, however, is if they deal with those conditions constructively or destructively. That depends entirely on the mood in the moment, which again depends on a number of other things.
The problem I have with traditional astrology is that it uses descriptions that have positive or negative connotations by default, and too often there are only extremes.
My apologies; if one were to read carefully, they would see that the discussion quickly turned into a traditionalist versus a modernist view. Simple as that. For those who think in a lineal fashion straight into a box; Forgive my ad hoc humor~
and advances in medicine without the benefit of medical astrology vanquished university astrology's primary reason for inclusion in the curriculum.
Game on~