House Cusps in the chart

GuyWithWeirdChart

Well-known member
Hello I was just wondering about house cusps. All this time I thought that I had Venus on the12th house cusp. I was reading that if it's within 30 minutes of the next house that it can be considered in the next house.. Then I realized that planets move clock wise as time progresses so instead of my venus moving into the 12th house, it moved towards the middle of the 11th when I changed my time of birth 30 minutes later .. and then I realized that my mars moves into my 10th house when I progress it 30 minutes lol.

So I was wondering, in terms of planets on the house cusp, is it considered on the house cusp if its on the right side of the house (11th to 10th) or is it considered on the cusp if its near the left side? (10th house to the 11th) ?

Here's a photo of my chart. If you need some reference.

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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hello I was just wondering about house cusps.

All this time I thought that I had Venus on the12th house cusp.
I was reading that if it's within 30 minutes of the next house that it can be considered in the next house..
Then I realized that planets move clock wise as time progresses
so instead of my venus moving into the 12th house,
it moved towards the middle of the 11th when I changed my time of birth 30 minutes later ..
and then I realized that my mars moves into my 10th house when I progress it 30 minutes lol.

So I was wondering, in terms of planets on the house cusp,
is it considered on the house cusp if its on the right side of the house (11th to 10th)
or is it considered on the cusp if its near the left side? (10th house to the 11th) ?
Hello - fact is, house location of a natal planet can change,
dependent on the house system chosen
easily verify at astro.com's Extended Chart Selection Page
- there fourteen of the more popular house systems currently in use are available options
viewing natal chart with WHOLE SIGN HOUSES
eliminates confusion regarding house placement :smile:


EXPLANATORY ASTROLOGICAL HOUSES ARTICLE http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/wholesignhouses.html


QUOTE

'...There are at least twenty or thirty different house systems
or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart" into twelve segments of life activity.
Originally, the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable.

A planet in Aries was also a planet in the house of Aries,
so that in effect there were no real houses as we know them today....'


'….Artificial divisions now known as houses
were attempts by early Greeks and Hindus to measure strength "points" in the horoscope,
which during 7th and 8th centuries AD were construed or confused
as means of dividing the birth chart.

Ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites were definite power points or areas of intense focus
but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant. ....'


Here's a photo of my chart. If you need some reference.

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wilsontc

Staff member
chart fixed in time, to Guy

Guy,

You said:
Hello I was just wondering about house cusps. All this time I thought that I had Venus on the12th house cusp. I was reading that if it's within 30 minutes of the next house that it can be considered in the next house.. Then I realized that planets move clock wise as time progresses so instead of my venus moving into the 12th house, it moved towards the middle of the 11th...So I was wondering, in terms of planets on the house cusp, [when] is it considered on the house cusp...?

In astrological terms, your natal chart is a chart fixed in time. That means the natal chart itself does NOT move. So if a planet is very near a house cusp it is considered either in the next house or in BOTH houses. Personally, I think if a planet is very near the house cusp it is in BOTH houses, like a person who stands in a doorway inside a home is BOTH on one side of the door AND the other.

In the house,

Tim
 

GuyWithWeirdChart

Well-known member
Thank you for your responses. But i'm still sort of confused. Based upon the photo I uploaded of my chart, do I have mars on the 10th house cusp? Or Is my mars supposed to be in the 9th house in order for it to be on the 10th house cusp?

I'm just wondering which way a planet has to be in order to count on the cusp.
 

sibylline

Well-known member
If your TOB is accurate your Venus is in the 11th. Mars is in the 11th as well.

I was wondering, in terms of planets on the house cusp, is it considered on the house cusp if its on the right side of the house (11th to 10th) or is it considered on the cusp if its near the left side? (10th house to the 11th) ?

The latter.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Whole Signs clearly shows
natal Sun, Venus, Mars, Saturn Assembled in Pisces in 11th Whole Sign house
ONLY :smile:

ancient astrology terminology = Pisces Assembly
modern astrology terminology = Pisces Stellium


I just did my chart with Whole Signs instead.


Is my mars on the 10th house cusp on this one

or is it still only in the 11th house only?



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sibylline

Well-known member
Mars is in the 11th. Still. Venus is on the 12th cusp. Figure out which house system works for you. I use Placidus because it works for me.

Are you unsure of the accuracy of your TOB? If not, why are you changing the time so drastically?
 

GuyWithWeirdChart

Well-known member
No i'm sure my TOB is 9:13, the first chart I posted was a mistake, I didn't realize I copied a photo of the chart i was messing around with.

I was just seeing how much the planets would move. Do I have pluto on the 8th house cusp on the Whole Signs chart?
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member

Mars is in the 11th. Still. Venus is on the 12th cusp.

Figure out which house system works for you
.

I use Placidus because it works for me
.
There are more than thirty house systems, fourteen are available choice options on astro.com

because
every astrologer has their preferred house system

none is either "right" or "wrong"
simply a matter of preference for individual personal reasons

Placidus is simply default


Are you unsure of the accuracy of your TOB?

If not, why are you
changing the time so drastically?
The time is not changed "drastically"
fact is
the time is changed by ten minutes :smile:


No i'm sure my TOB is 9:13, the first chart I posted was a mistake,
I didn't realize I copied a photo of the chart i was messing around with.

I was just seeing how much the planets would move.
Do I have pluto on the 8th house cusp on the Whole Signs chart?


nevertheless
even if the original time of 09:23 were used for another Whole Signs chart
instead of ten minutes EARLIER time of 09:13
at 09:23 for that location the whole signs Pisces Assembly remains firmly in 11th house
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
a great synopsis of WHOLE SIGN HOUSE system has been provided by dr. farr
who began studying astrology aged twelve
and
has since completed more than fifty years of astrological research and study



HOW TO USE WHOLE SIGN HOUSES as originally intended
keeping in mind that THE MEANING OF THE WORD "CUSP" HAS CHANGED OVER CENTURIES :smile:

dr. farr explains all clearly:

Cusps:

Today (and for the past thousand years or so) we define cusps as "borders" (coasts),
but that is not the original meaning of the word "cusp":
it means "point" such as cuspal teeth (bicuspids) and the point of a sword
-so originally the term cusp meant the "point" of something
and in astrology originally the "cusp" of the house meant its "point";
now, when quadrant systems were developed, this "point" of the house came to mean its "beginning",
which later came to mean its "border"
,
ie, the "border" between one house and the other.

And later astrology also began using these "borders" (cusps) for various prognostic applications
(Charles Carter came to believe that, for timing of events, the "cusps" of the Campanus house system gave the best results,
among the various quadrant house systems)
But now notice this:

in whole sign
the cusps are NOT the 0 degree "borders" of sign/houses at all, and never were so regarded!


In whole sign,
the "cusp" retained its original meaning,
not as a "border" but rather as A POINT
-and that POINT (cusp) for EACH house, was the sensitive point of that house,


viz,

the sensitive point in whole sign houses
-each house
-that is the "cusp" of each house
-is a direct projection from the ascending degree.

Example:
-the ascending degree of a chart is 18 Taurus:
what are the house cusps
(sensitive points, original meaning of the word "cusp")
in the whole sign houses of this chart?

Cusp of 1st house = 18 Taurus
Cusp of 2nd house = 18 Gemini
Cusp of 3rd house = 18 Cancer
Cusp of 4th house = 18 Leo
Cusp of 5th house = 18 Virgo
Cusp of 6th house = 18 Libra
Cusp of 7th house = 18 Scorpio
Cusp of 8th house = 18 Sagittarius
Cusp of 9th house = 18 Capricorn
Cusp of 10th house = 18 Aquarius
Cusp of 11th house = 18 Pisces
Cusp of 12th house = 18 Aries

Now it is these "cusps"
(sensitive degrees, original meaning of the word "cusp" as a "point")
that are
(and were)
used for progressions, timing of events, etc,
and the fact is that they work for these purposes, quite well
(in expert hands)

Whole sign does not use the BORDERS between houses
(always 0 degree
of any sign) for anything,

but it DOES use "cusps"
(points in the house, projected from the exact ascending degree)
for timing
(and other)
delineative purposes.


Whole sign suddenly vanished
(both in the West and in Vedic astrology)
during the same period of time
-ie, late 8th to early 9th century
-this sudden disappearance suggests a sudden turn in astrological thinking and practices,
rather than a gradual supplanting of a less effective traditional method (whole sign)
by a new and more effective method (rheotrius/alchabitius in the West,
and the closely related to whole sign Equal house, in Vedic astrology)

I quite agree with Waybread in the statement, "so what?"
(if old time astrologers did or didn't do something)

For me, there is only 1 reason I switched to whole sign
-it worked better
(FOR ME)
I could care less if it were the oldest house system
(which it is)
or whether it was invented by Badda Bing at Barney's Beanery in Bayonne, 10 years ago:
only things I consider are:
-does it seem to make sense?
-does it "taste good" to me (ie, does it "feel right" to me)
-and, if yes to the above,
does it work
(producing delineations and predicitions)
better than what I have previously been doing?

Well, whole sign did all that, for me, so I switched;
but I am not going to try to convince anyone of anything about it,
except for beginners
-to you who might just be starting out,
I would say: try whole sign first, and see how well it might work for you...
 
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