Are there any placements that would point to potential racists?

GuyWithWeirdChart

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I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas regarding racism, what placements might one expect to see? If any. Thanks .
 

waybread

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I don't think so. Horoscopic astrology is a 2000+-year old discipline and racism of one sort or another was considered normal until fairly recently.

Someone with a big investment in Capricorn or Saturn might be more politically conservative.

Someone with a strong Uranus ("the liberator") or Neptune ("the visionary") might work for social justice. But this doesn't work 100%. Former American VP candidate Sarah Palin's chart was strongly Aquarian, but she was ultra-conservative.
 

CapAquaPis

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I don't think so. Horoscopic astrology is a 2000+-year old discipline and racism of one sort or another was considered normal until fairly recently.

Someone with a big investment in Capricorn or Saturn might be more politically conservative.

Someone with a strong Uranus ("the liberator") or Neptune ("the visionary") might work for social justice. But this doesn't work 100%. Former American VP candidate Sarah Palin's chart was strongly Aquarian, but she was ultra-conservative.

Sarah Palin born with a double Aquarius (Sun/Moon conjunction) shouldn't be in politics, I have a Sun/Moon in Aquarius-8th which means my passion in politics should not be in any government house, but I'm a center-Left Democrat, LOL.
 

CapAquaPis

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I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas regarding racism, what placements might one expect to see? If any. Thanks .

Check Adolf Hitler's natal chart for indications of a deep hatred for Jews and other peoples he thought were responsible for all of Germany's problems or he didn't feel they were equal to Germans. He's a cusp Aries/Taurus sun (April 20, 1889, born in Braunau, Austria-Hungary, now Austria) in the 7th/descendant. I don't believe anyone being an Aries or Taurus sun will have racist tendencies.
 

AppLeo

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Racism stems from a need to feel superior. So I’m guessing an afflicted Sun or Venus (low self-esteem or no real esteem) would indicate a racist. But racism is only one manifestation of these kinds of afflictions.

Just about anyone can be racist regardless of their chart. It’s a level of conscious awareness one needs to develop.
 

waybread

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A lot of racism is simply taught to children, if not in school, then by their larger society.

As an example:

I remember as a kid having to write a biography of one of the Founding Fathers. I picked Patrick Henry, on the strength of his stirring speech that included, "Give me liberty or give me death."

Of course, neither I or my teacher twigged on the fact that, as a Virginia plantation owner, Henry's idea of liberty apparently did not extend to the enslaved people forced to work for him. He called slavery a "lamentable evil" but left it at that.

I think there is a lot of structural racism that most whites don't think about. For example, inner city African Americans have been criticized for their run-down neighborhoods. Yet poor people cannot afford to buy real estate.Someone else is the property owner, who lets tenants live in sub-standard housing because it's cheaper than fixing up the apartments.

In the US, metropolitan school districts can be finely divided between the core city and various incorporated suburbs each with their own school board. The predominantly white suburbs can draw on a higher property tax base to fund their schools. Black children's schools just do not have the resources to draw upon. This makes it harder for their graduates to compete.

Of course, racism takes many forms. Of course, all lives matter But it's important not to deploy such talk merely as a way to dilute or deflect attention away from the real problems facing African Americans re: police who use excessive violence--when a Black "suspect" might merely be walking to his own home or driving his own car.
 
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JUPITERASC

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Check Adolf Hitler's natal chart for indications of a deep hatred for Jews and other peoples he thought were responsible for all of Germany's problems or he didn't feel they were equal to Germans. He's a cusp Aries/Taurus sun (April 20, 1889, born in Braunau, Austria-Hungary, now Austria) in the 7th/descendant. I don't believe anyone being an Aries or Taurus sun will have racist tendencies.
Racism stems from a need to feel superior. So I’m guessing an afflicted Sun or Venus (low self-esteem or no real esteem) would indicate a racist. But racism is only one manifestation of these kinds of afflictions.

Just about anyone can be racist regardless of their chart. It’s a level of conscious awareness one needs to develop.

Racism is learned behavior :smile:
 

CapAquaPis

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Moon in Capricorn: The individual would have a large emphasis of ethnicity and their group they belonged to, almost nationalist and tribalist. Not all Moon in Cap people are like that, it's just a higher tendency when the moon (Cancer) is in its opposite sign (Capricorn, ruled by Saturn). Moon in Pisces is comparably a sign prone to sticking up to their own group, esp. placed in a Neptune-ruled sign.
 

Bunraku

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I don't think so. Horoscopic astrology is a 2000+-year old discipline and racism of one sort or another was considered normal until fairly recently.

If it’s been present in human civilizations for how many years, then how is it abnormal?
 

CapAquaPis

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Racism is now socially unacceptable and increasingly became taboo, but we still know it's an unfortunate normal part of individual and social human nature. Like we prohibit murder, theft and drug use, these harmful actions continue to be widely practiced and acted upon...and so is racial and other discrimination. In 2020 America, a person who is born with privilege as a majority group may not like prejudice, they may have a problem understanding their own privilege.
 

CapAquaPis

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Racism stems from a need to feel superior. So I’m guessing an afflicted Sun or Venus (low self-esteem or no real esteem) would indicate a racist. But racism is only one manifestation of these kinds of afflictions.

Just about anyone can be racist regardless of their chart. It’s a level of conscious awareness one needs to develop.

Hitler had a Venus-Mars conjunction in Taurus that was also conjunct Sun and Mercury in Aries at the descendant, a vicious one in 8 billion combination for a vicious militant nationalist and a believer in the "white Nordic Aryan master" race, esp. of Germanic and Northern/Western European origins were superior, ironically Aries and Taurus were astrological signs of the Caucasian races, the Nazis were fascinated with astrology and the Aries-Aryan-Indian connection.
 

CapAquaPis

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A lot of racism is simply taught to children, if not in school, then by their larger society.

As an example:

I remember as a kid having to write a biography of one of the Founding Fathers. I picked Patrick Henry, on the strength of his stirring speech that included, "Give me liberty or give me death."

Of course, neither I or my teacher twigged on the fact that, as a Virginia plantation owner, Henry's idea of liberty apparently did not extend to the enslaved people forced to work for him. He called slavery a "lamentable evil" but left it at that.

I think there is a lot of structural racism that most whites don't think about. For example, inner city African Americans have been criticized for their run-down neighborhoods. Yet poor people cannot afford to buy real estate.Someone else is the property owner, who lets tenants live in sub-standard housing because it's cheaper than fixing up the apartments.

In the US, metropolitan school districts can be finely divided between the core city and various incorporated suburbs each with their own school board. The predominantly white suburbs can draw on a higher property tax base to fund their schools. Black children's schools just do not have the resources to draw upon. This makes it harder for their graduates to compete.

Of course, racism takes many forms. Of course, all lives matter But it's important not to deploy such talk merely as a way to dilute or deflect attention away from the real problems facing African Americans re: police who use excessive violence--when a Black "suspect" might merely be walking to his own home or driving his own car.

Currently, the USA should be in a "post-racial" society because of the Obama presidency led by a half-black American (Barack Obama) and all of a sudden, Donald Trump with his fissile racial comments and nationalistic rhetoric was able to get him elected to president. Many social critics of political correctness said to be anti-racist is just as bad as being a racist, we're aware on the dangers of bigotry, but the PC accused people of being bigots way too much in the last half a century after the Civil Rights movement outlawed institutional racism. And we're still dealing with consequences of a long history of racism from slavery to Jim Crow to police brutality to economic inequality to haunt our country's belief we're the freest in the world for all people regardless of race.
 

Bunraku

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Racism is now socially unacceptable and increasingly became taboo,


Maybe if you’re living in a leftist reality....which isn’t reality at all.

Do you know why people voted for Trump? They wanted strong national borders, national pride/optimism about ones country, and someone to protect their citizens in various ways. People consider this to be “racist.”

Anyways, as way bread pointed out this has only been considered “normal” or “taboo” for the past few years. Why does it suddenly discredit the entirety of human existence?
 

CapAquaPis

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Maybe if you’re living in a leftist reality....which isn’t reality at all.

Do you know why people voted for Trump? They wanted strong national borders, national pride/optimism about ones country, and someone to protect their citizens in various ways. People consider this to be “racist.”

Anyways, as way bread pointed out this has only been considered “normal” or “taboo” for the past few years. Why does it suddenly discredit the entirety of human existence?

Try to say anything racist at a work environment, you're so fired. Also saying anything about minority groups around your friends will make many of them look at you badly. And it is illegal to openly discriminate a person based on their race, color, ethnicity, nationality and any other protected social group trait. Racial/ethnic slurs are now worse than the classic bad "F" and "S" words.

It is unfortunately a normal behavior many humans tend to have is look at a person of a different race differently and make assumptions about the person for the group they belong to. I mean, "Americans" do this, "Canadians" do that, "Mexicans", "Puerto Ricans", "Black or African Americans", "Jews or Jewish people", "Italians", "Asians", "Arabs", "Indians" (from South Asia) and "Native Americans" are portrayed in exaggerated and stereotypical ways. There are stereotypes of White/European/Anglo-Americans from the rich man in charge with white privilege to the redneck in the hills who have no economic privilege.

And yes, my nephew's maternal grandparents who claim they're not racist are Trump Republican-Evangelical Christian-conservative voters. They said a few derisive comments on blacks "need to get a job", dislike of "illegal aliens" from Latin America, and claimed they are true Christians vs. Roman Catholics and Mormons. However, they said Mexicans have strong family values and working culture, they admire Jewish people and are supportive of Israel, and have an interest in Native American cultures to indicate an admiration for that race. And they're critical of feminism and intolerant of LGBT people, cuz "we're Christian".

Leftist reality? Maybe that's because I associate mostly with center-left, centrist and center-right people in my social circle. I don't think it's Leftist to be anti-racist or anti-bigotry of any kind, it is something Left-wing political activism is associated with. They are mainly religious (Christian) and capitalist while they maintain they don't dislike non-Christians and non-extreme forms of socialism.
 

leomoon

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I don't think so. Horoscopic astrology is a 2000+-year old discipline and racism of one sort or another was considered normal until fairly recently.

Someone with a big investment in Capricorn or Saturn might be more politically conservative.

Someone with a strong Uranus ("the liberator") or Neptune ("the visionary") might work for social justice. But this doesn't work 100%. Former American VP candidate Sarah Palin's chart was strongly Aquarian, but she was ultra-conservative.




She (Palin) could even see Russia from her front porch! :smile:
 

CapAquaPis

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She (Palin) could even see Russia from her front porch! :smile:

Palin is a strong advocate for children with mental disabilities, like her son Trig and in a twist, she opposes "eugenic" selection of abortion of unborn children who tested high risk of Down's Syndrome. Regardless, she went on to have Trig in spite of the huge challenge of raising a mentally challenged or special needs child. I'm sure she objects to intolerance and prejudice of people who have mental and neurological disabilities, but she uses the pro-life side of the issue of abortion.
 
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