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Unread 03-23-2020, 04:44 PM
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When Will my next significant relationship be?

Hi everyone,

I posted this on Skyscript earlier in the month but I had only received one delineation. I'd like to see if anyone can shed some light on this.


The chart was cast on March 1st 2020 in London at 11:46:03.

Me
Asc ruler Moon
co ruler Sun

Potential partner
7th house ruler Saturn
co-ruler Venus

There is an applying trine between moon and Saturn in about 2 units of time.
However, the receptions are not great between the significators, and the presence of the south node and mars on the decedent seems to be troubling, but as I am a novice i am unsure as to what the significance of this is.

There is a separating square between moon and saturn - I have met this person?

It seems as Saturn has more essential dignity than Moon, that the place of meeting will be perhaps amongst friends as the moon sits in the 11th house.

Any interpretations of this chart would be appreciated.

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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

Are you a man or a woman?

Moon trines Saturn, 2 degrees aspect with fixed sign. I believe just over 2 years that's when you may meet this person.

There are other interesting things happening in this chart that tell a story but I need more background from you. Are you seeing anyone? Are you prone to revenge and vindictive behaviour, anger issues? Jealous? Or do you have those kind of relationships? Do you have an ex you are pinning after?
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Unread 03-26-2020, 12:28 PM
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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

Thanks for your response.

I'm a male. I haven't been in a relationship for two years, although there have been other people since that were never really considered to be a relationship. Also i've not been seeing anyone recently either.

Yes, I do tend to enter into quite volatile relationships. I'm not a particularly angry or jealous person but I have a habit of picking people like this.
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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

Hi,

You already have a Horary reading, so I would suggest to post your natal chart, if you like, and we can double check thru that also.
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Unread 03-26-2020, 12:49 PM
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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

As rafaella said, in 2 years seems realistic. The part of marriage is in Pisces at about 19 Degree and in conjunction with Neptune, which illustrate the situation. The Dispositor of this lot is Jupiter, located in the 7th house. Your co-ruler Sun will aspect Jupiter in about 8 Degrees. So maybe in 8 month something could develop. Or perhaps even 8 weeks=2 month?
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Thanks for your response!

Yes, itís quite curious. But itís not completely out of the question, Iím a fairly sociable person (not currently UK on lockdown).
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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

Moon is in her exaltation, in the house of hopes and fortunes.
I agree with Rafaella.
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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

So it doesnít look too bad then. The key word is significantí here.

I must say, the south node and mars on the desc is a troubling. Does anyone have any insights?
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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

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So it doesn’t look too bad then. The key word is significant’ here.

I must say, the south node and mars on the desc is a troubling. Does anyone have any insights?
look at this:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/vi...61bb08c899d54f

Mars is the ruler of the 11th house and in your 7th, which could mean that a friendship become a relationship or that you will meet her through friends.
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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

That's certainly an interesting debate about then nodes. Perhaps approach with caution?
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As rafaella said, in 2 years seems realistic. The part of marriage is in Pisces at about 19 Degree and in conjunction with Neptune, which illustrate the situation. The Dispositor of this lot is Jupiter, located in the 7th house. Your co-ruler Sun will aspect Jupiter in about 8 Degrees. So maybe in 8 month something could develop. Or perhaps even 8 weeks=2 month?
The part of marriage calculated for this chart would be at 5'47" degrees of Libra. How have you calculated the lot to get 19 degrees Pisces?
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The part of marriage calculated for this chart would be at 5'47" degrees of Libra. How have you calculated the lot to get 19 degrees Pisces?
asc+dsc-Venus. You used asc + Venus - Saturn ?
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asc+dsc-Venus. You used asc + Venus - Saturn ?
The part of marriage for males would be Asc + Venus - Saturn
The part of marriage for females would be Asc + Saturn - Venus
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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

I am using the generic Part of Marriage, which Frawley also mentioned in his book. You are using Valens PoM.
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I suppose if Iím yet to meet her then getting into a relationship will put a longer time period on it. However I could very well meet her before
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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

Sorry, that was a stupid thing to say. Iíd have to meet her before in order to have a relationship lol.
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The part of marriage for males would be Asc + Venus - Saturn
The part of marriage for females would be Asc + Saturn - Venus
How does this impact the chart?
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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

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I personally wouldn't have used the part of marriage for this chart, your asking about a potential relationship, not when you will marry. A relationship has many levels, and I'm sure you at least want to get to stage one first, which would be the dating stage.

I'm not seeing that moon/Saturn trine bringing you a relationship, simply because there is no reception. Mars being on your Dsc is not great either and moon will be in the bounds of mars when she perfects the trine with Saturn. Mars rules your 5th ruler venus and mars separates things, so there could be a romance on the cards but it won't be a full-on relationship.Now when you mentioned that you have been attracting abusive and volatile relationships in the past, this would also be another influence of mars/dsc.

Let's throw some elements into the mix. Your dominant element is Water in this chart. Water produces familiarity, and sometimes people don't want to move away from the familiar because it's scary. It looks like you are going to repeat another cycle of having a volatile connection with someone, and this is because you are not going to pastures new, so you will keep on repeating the cycle.
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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

The part of marriage is not only about marriage, it is the significator for all longterm relationships. Sun in Jupiter's domicile shows, how much you are wanting a relationship. If we are using Valens' PoM, then the dispositor is Venus, currently in the sign of her detriment. So Jupiter and Venus are both very weak. Jupiter is in his fall. Moon is in Venus' rulership, which also denotes how much you are thinking about that matter now. Often the generic and Valens PoM are in the same sign and the Dispositor is the same. Here it is not the case and I did read that Valens lot is more about sexual relationships. According to Frawley, if the Dispositor is at the beginning of a fixed sign with good essential dignities, this means, that the relationship will be long (fixed) and happy (essential strength). Venus will enter into Taurus (which is a fixed sign) in about 4 Degrees. There she will be essential strong (in her own rulership). So I think in 4 units (weeks,month,years) is another possibility.
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I personally wouldn't have used the part of marriage for this chart, your asking about a potential relationship, not when you will marry. A relationship has many levels, and I'm sure you at least want to get to stage one first, which would be the dating stage.

I'm not seeing that moon/Saturn trine bringing you a relationship, simply because there is no reception. Mars being on your Dsc is not great either and moon will be in the bounds of mars when she perfects the trine with Saturn. Mars rules your 5th ruler venus and mars separates things, so there could be a romance on the cards but it won't be a full-on relationship.Now when you mentioned that you have been attracting abusive and volatile relationships in the past, this would also be another influence of mars/dsc.

Let's throw some elements into the mix. Your dominant element is Water in this chart. Water produces familiarity, and sometimes people don't want to move away from the familiar because it's scary. It looks like you are going to repeat another cycle of having a volatile connection with someone, and this is because you are not going to pastures new, so you will keep on repeating the cycle.
Thanks for responding.

God, thatís depressing
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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

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So it doesnít look too bad then. The key word is significantí here.

I must say, the south node and mars on the desc is a troubling. Does anyone have any insights?

Yes. Usually a malefic in the house of the question has a tendency to corrupt the matters. It can indicate unhappiness, discord, or strife. But Mars is exalted, which is in a good position, so I feel like these evils are lessened to a significant degree.

You can get the meaning of Mars in a clearer fashion if you observe the houses it rules. I hope you know what Mars represents as a general significator (though it could represent many things).

But you asked if you wanted to be in one, so you got it.
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Re: When Will my next significant relationship be?

Receptions aren't always perfect. It does indicate flaws IMO. Others don't pay attention to it, because it's not what the OP asked. But what's also important is an aspect--it means coming together.

Not everything is perfect.
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