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Tulsi Gabbard has now endorsed Biden... and so it be... but I don't abide...

But, Biden being in such poor health as he is, the gross underestimate of how virulent and deadly covid-19 apparently actually is, current estimates that it may be months yet before it begins to significantly subside, what that will do to economic and political situations in the U.S.A., and world wide, being about anyones' guess at present... it may be until October that we will have any idea of what the state of the Union will be as come the November election and who, if anyone, will be deemed qualified to lead the country into the 2020's?

A lot can happen in the next few months and likely will.
So, any further speculation, or debate, on political matters at this time seems rather futile, to me.

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Tulsi Gabbard has now endorsed Biden... and so it be... but I don't abide...

But, Biden being in such poor health as he is, the gross underestimate of how virulent and deadly covid-19 apparently actually is, current estimates that it may be months yet before it begins to significantly subside, what that will do to economic and political situations in the U.S.A., and world wide, being about anyones' guess at present... it may be until October that we will have any idea of what the state of the Union will be as come the November election and who, if anyone, will be deemed qualified to lead the country into the 2020's?

A lot can happen in the next few months and likely will.
So, any further speculation, or debate, on political matters at this time seems rather futile, to me.
Did you see that Sylvia Browne prediction about a 2020 virus?
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Did you see that Sylvia Browne prediction about a 2020 virus?
No, I didn't. I've always considered Sylvia Browne to be rather a hack, perhaps I should re-evaluate my assessment of her?
I'll check it out,.
Thanks for the info.
An update. We are under curfew here in Sacramento County now as of today. It's a mid-night to [I believe] a 6 A.M. curfew. No one is to be outside of their homes except for essential trips to the market, pharmacies, to the hospital, although we're allowed to take a walk as long as one is by their self or walking a pet. It's being enforced by the County Sheriff and local police forces.

I was looking over the last chart for the New Moon, and Full Moon, and prior to those.
I didn't cast a chart for the Spring equinox yet but I was looking over the one I had cast for the Winter Solstice and I do find it curious that the Part of Fortune for that chart, cast for the USA at Philadelphia , is in the 2nd degree of Leo... that's the degree of the Zodiac that has the Sabian Symbol of [ibid.]

"LEO 2: AN EPIDEMIC OF THE MUMPS.
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The spreading power of individual crises through a collectivity. ...
... What was an individual issue is now seen as a collective danger. Thus we are dealing with THE INFECTIOUS SPREAD OF INDIVIDUAL EXPERIENCES."

The only clairvoyant I've ever mentioned while talking to my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse, is Edgar Cayce. As I recall she said something to the effect that He was in a league all to himself. I'm going to ask Her about Sylvia and bring up Her prediction that you've mentioned.

The thing about Sylvia, as to why I have my doubts about her, is that she said souls switch genders often between incarnations and that goes against what Cayce said and what I know about my own past lives.
I don't know of a single one prior to now in which I was a woman and Cayce said it is a rarity.
That doesn't mean I wasn't, as I only know of about half a dozen, but I often took Sylvia to be pandering to the public for sensationalism and the attention she got from it.
She may have just gotten lucky or actually got a genuine vision...and in retrospect, quite the doozy

Here's a copy of the USA chart for the Winter Solstice last December.

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No, I didn't. I've always considered Sylvia Browne to be rather a hack, perhaps I should re-evaluate my assessment of her?
I'll check it out,.
Thanks for the info.
An update. We are under curfew here in Sacramento County now as of today. It's a mid-night to [I believe] a 6 A.M. curfew. No one is to be outside of their homes except for essential trips to the market, pharmacies, to the hospital, although we're allowed to take a walk as long as one is by their self or walking a pet. It's being enforced by the County Sheriff and local police forces.

I was looking over the last chart for the New Moon, and Full Moon, and prior to those.
I didn't cast a chart for the Spring equinox yet but I was looking over the one I had cast for the Winter Solstice and I do find it curious that the Part of Fortune for that chart, cast for the USA at Philadelphia , is in the 2nd degree of Leo... that's the degree of the Zodiac that has the Sabian Symbol of [ibid.]

"LEO 2: AN EPIDEMIC OF THE MUMPS.
KEYNOTE:
The spreading power of individual crises through a collectivity. ...
... What was an individual issue is now seen as a collective danger. Thus we are dealing with THE INFECTIOUS SPREAD OF INDIVIDUAL EXPERIENCES."

The only clairvoyant I've ever mentioned while talking to my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse, is Edgar Cayce. As I recall she said something to the effect that He was in a league all to himself. I'm going to ask Her about Sylvia and bring up Her prediction that you've mentioned.

The thing about Sylvia, as to why I have my doubts about her, is that she said souls switch genders often between incarnations and that goes against what Cayce said and what I know about my own past lives.
I don't know of a single one prior to now in which I was a woman and Cayce said it is a rarity.
That doesn't mean I wasn't, as I only know of about half a dozen, but I often took Sylvia to be pandering to the public for sensationalism and the attention she got from it.
She may have just gotten lucky or actually got a genuine vision...and in retrospect, quite the doozy

Here's a copy of the USA chart for the Winter Solstice last December.

Can a married couple take an after-midnight walk together without being cited? Martial law is unfamiliar territory in the U.S.
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Years ago, her tarnished reputation: (BTW, she taught her son to be a protege and take over her business...which was quite lucrative) I read years and years ago I marked her as phony as a 2$ bill.





When celebrity psychic Sylvia Browne died Nov. 20 at the age of 77, it marked the end of a career of immense fame marked by inaccurate predictions including one she made about her own death.




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Can a married couple take an after-midnight walk together without being cited? Martial law is unfamiliar territory in the U.S.
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AGREED!



Years ago, her tarnished reputation: (BTW, she taught her son to be a protege and take over her business...which was quite lucrative) I read years and years ago I marked her as phony as a 2$ bill.





When celebrity psychic Sylvia Browne died Nov. 20 at the age of 77, it marked the end of a career of immense fame marked by inaccurate predictions including one she made about her own death.




https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sylvia-browne_n_4317470
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The issue is that people have a very warped idea of socialism. Some don't even understand the difference between communism and socialism. I said from the beginning to my social circle that Bernie will be popular, but will not make the president.

Unfortunately, it looks more and more like trump this Nov - exactly after virus (i mean corona by the virus) hit us.

See basically now he is going to use up the 13-digit-dollar figure, in the guise of a bailout, to indirectly buy his votes. His loyal herd will feel even more indebted to him, some others getting that money will also 'feel' (consciously using feel instead of think) they need to 'thank' him and so Nov's result stands decided. (and this is not a virus-depicting emoji, well... not if you are wearing a mask whilst reading this post )


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So is a military friend of my husband's. But apparently he doesn't realize his 3 Pension checks (2 from the Military, 1 from the Post Office) are all Socialist programs therefore, he is participating all these years without even realizing it, lol.

Some Socialist programs in the United States:

U.S. Military
U.S. Postal Service
FEMA
FCC
FAA,
Fire Departments,
Public Highway system,
Public Schools

Public Parks
City zoos
Museums



https://www.michaeloart.com/the-best...ave-america-2/


Medicare, Social Security
Center for Disease Control

MWP (Major Work Projects)
Public Education

non-profit Trash Collection
FICA Insurance
FIDC -

Veterans Administration

EPA (Environmental Protection Agency)





on and on and on........
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The latest news is insinuating that Biden will pick Tulsi as his running mate.
That might change a lot of peoples minds about voting for him.
If so, I'll have to give it some serious consideration as for how much I admire the woman and there would be a very good chance she'll assume the office before Biden could finish a four year term.
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Here's the chart, for the USA, of the exact moment for this years Spring equinox.
I just got it and haven't analyzed it yet but thought that I should share it a.s.a.p.

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Here is the Sabian Symbol for the Part of Fortune in the 10th degree of Leo... it is interesting.[ibid.]

"LEO 10: EARLY MORNING DEW SPARKLES AS SUNLIGHT FLOODS THE FIELD.

KEYNOTE:
The exalted feeling that rises within the soul of the individual who has successfully passed through the long night which has tested his strength and his faith.


The cold air of night having precipitated upon the field of man's consciousness the moisture of his deepest feelings, this widely spread dew is blessed with the light of significance by the rising sun of the new day. Even tears can be transformed into jewels in the light of victory over night and sorrow.

At this fifth stage of the present sequence we see the potential culmination of the process which began on a note of social and cultural crisis. The would-be reformer has to meet many emotional problems as he begins his work of creation. Creation means transformation; the reformer is actually a transformer if he is truly a creative and inspired individual open to the spirit that 'makes everything new'. The building of a new society, and of one's renewed personality as well, is just as much a process of artistic creation as the making of a delicate glass vase or a symphony. The Keyword is TRANSFIGURATION."

It's one of three Sabian Symbols that Dane chose to use the same "Keyword" of "TRANSFIGURATION" for. One of the others is my own natal Asc., the 18th degree of Scorpio
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In retrospect, had I cast a chart for the Spring equinox back when I cast one for the Winter Solstice, in December, coupled with my clairvoyants' advice to get a five week cache of "all i might need", I might have fore seen this pandemic coming... my bad.
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That is an interesting Square between Aquarius moon in 3h and Taurus Venus in 6h. Uranus also in 6h. Looks like a Saturn-Uranus square is gearing up.

What would a Spring / equinoctial / zodiacal new year chart represent for a country?
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The Asc. of the chart happens to be in the same Sign and degree as the Part of Fortune for the natal chart of the USA, the 26th of Scorpio. [ibid.]

"SCORPIO 26: AMERICAN INDIANS MAKING CAMP AFTER MOVING INTO A NEW TERRITORY.

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The ability to adjust swiftly to a new situation by tuning in to its requirements.


He who lives in harmony with nature, moving on as new needs arise, finds himself intuitively at home everywhere. He does not make demands upon life, for he has identified himself with the great rhythms of the biosphere and he functions at peace with what they produce. This is the message of the American Indian culture which European invaders so wantonly and meaninglessly destroyed nearly everywhere. Western man has lost faith in life because he wants to dominate and enslave manifestations.

This represents the first stage of the forty-eighth five-fold sequence in the cycle of experience. It brings to us a message we greatly need today the message of peaceful adaptation to nature, and through adaptation, of EFFICIENT FUNCTIONING in all life situations.

I've always been amazed at the literal symbolism of the above as being the Part of Fortune for the U.S.A.,,, it so smacks of the term "Manifest Destiny".
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The Sabian Symbol for the North Node [ibid.]

"CANCER 5: AT A RAILROAD CROSSING, AN AUTOMOBILE IS WRECKED BY A TRAIN.

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The tragic results which are likely to occur when the individual's will pits itself carelessly against the power of the collective will of society.


The automobile symbolizes the individualized consciousness eager to pursue its own course of action regardless of how it may conflict with the collective consciousness of the community (the train). The symbol implies that at this early stage of the new process which began with this seventh scene, all such individual and relatively anarchistic or law-defying attempts are bound to fail. The driver may live, but his car will be wrecked.

Lest we consider this phase totally negative, we should realize that most of the time man learns his lessons through relatively destructive experiences - the via negativa of the mystic, or even the strange occult concept expounded in some sects of 'salvation through sin'. One may speak here more generally of KARMIC READJUSTMENT. This will become evident as the next five-fold sequence is considered."

That's some pretty heavy shi*.
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That is an interesting Square between Aquarius moon in 3h and Taurus Venus in 6h. Uranus also in 6h. Looks like a Saturn-Uranus square is gearing up.

What would a Spring / equinoctial / zodiacal new year chart represent for a country?
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The thing about natal charts for nations is that all the planets, EVERYTHING, is of effect.... unlike personal natal charts that depend on whether that person is affected by any particular planet. ...
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The Bank's have got to be behind this s***. Follow the $$. The U.S. gov't is going to ask the Fed reserve to give them the $$ for bailouts which is going to vastly increase the amount they owe in interest to those "You Know who" owned banks. At the same time it's decimating the stock mkt. and which will ruin a lot of pension funds, particularly Cal/PERS and they've been after that for years. In the eyes of the 1% wealthiest, it has too much clout in corporate boardrooms which is on account of all the stock it owns.

Cal/PERS was over funded when I had to quit work. There was about $1.25 for every $1.00 invested. They got involved in investing in home mortgages just before the housing debacle. That left them with about 60 cents to every $1.00 invested. They were back up to around 75 cents for every $1.00 invested by Jan 1st. This will ruin it.
Just like they wanted it to be.
The world has to seriously re-think how money works. Usury is a sin, the charging of interest, the charging of rent, gambling, and "playing" the stock mkt. is just another form of gambling... All forms of usury is a sin in the eyes of God.
The Stock Mkt didn't exist until the 1800's... and the first three stocks ever traded in the United States were those of Banks....it's all Satanic.

IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
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The Bank's have got to be behind this s***. Follow the $$. The U.S. gov't is going to ask the Fed reserve to give them the $$ for bailouts which is going to vastly increase the amount they owe in interest to those "You Know who" owned banks. At the same time it's decimating the stock mkt. and which will ruin a lot of pension funds, particularly Cal/PERS and they've been after that for years. In the eyes of the 1% wealthiest, it has too much clout in corporate boardrooms which is on account of all the stock it owns.

Cal/PERS was over funded when I had to quit work. There was about $1.25 for every $1.00 invested. They got involved in investing in home mortgages just before the housing debacle. That left them with about 60 cents to every $1.00 invested. They were back up to around 75 cents for every $1.00 invested by Jan 1st. This will ruin it.
Just like they wanted it to be.
The world has to seriously re-think how money works. Usury is a sin, the charging of interest, the charging of rent, gambling, and "playing" the stock mkt. is just another form of gambling... All forms of usury is a sin in the eyes of God.
The Stock Mkt didn't exist until the 1800's... and the first three stocks ever traded in the United States were those of Banks....it's all Satanic.

IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
It's all Saturnian.
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Saturn just ingressed Aquarius an hour ago. Let's see if anything new develops.

It won't quite make it to 2 degrees Aqua before it stations Direct, and starts back towards Cap on May 11th.

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That is an interesting Square between Aquarius moon in 3h and Taurus Venus in 6h. Uranus also in 6h. Looks like a Saturn-Uranus square is gearing up.

What would a Spring / equinoctial / zodiacal new year chart represent for a country?
I started paying attention to the cycles of the solstices when I re-read Dane Rudhyar and Lela Rael's book "Astrological Aspects. A Process Oriented Approach".
As I read the section about the phases of the Moon I also thought of what Dane wrote in his book on the Sabian Symbols, in that the 360 symbols can be applied to any cycle found in nature. That's when I "saw" the cycle of the solstices being just as like the phases of the Moon inasmuch as it is just another cycle. I "see" the Winter Solstice to be the equivalent of the New Moon, that is to say, the start of a new cycle,. The Summer solstice then is like that of the Full Moon and the equinoxes as like the waxing and waning Half Moons.

As to how these points in the cycle correspond to the Sabian Symbols I haven any idea as of yet. Spring equinox does correspond to Aries 01* but that has to do with the placement of the Sun in relation to the Tropical Zodiac. Every New Moon doesn't begin with the Moon in Aries 01*, yet the cycle of the Moon's phases is a cycle of, as Dane described it, "involution and devolution" but Dane also wrote that at every Full Moon there is an opportunity to make a "cosmic leap", [I think those were His words, I'll have to check to make sure of it] and turn the second half of the cycle into a period of evolution.

Forum member JUPITERASC has posted that mundane charts are to be considered in a hierarchical manner and I don't have reason to disagree with that, in fact it sounds to me to be very likely true but I don't agree with their arrangement of that hierarchical order. The trans- Saturnian planets must be considered and that definitely includes Pluto and I cannot be dissuade from that belief because of the number of instances i have seen, and continue to find, Pluto's influence in transit, in natal charts, and from Pluto derived Astrological Parts...and that goes for Neptune and Uranus as well.

It's a study in progress for me. I was posting on these solstice cycles regularly for a few years but got sidetracked with having too much on my plate along with that I just wasn't seeing the connections, at least I hadn't yet. I'm not altogether sure that even if it is a relevant cycle to be aware of if I am then looking to the right places in the chart for what significance it has to offer?

This rather curious relevance in the event charts' Part of Fortune has now got my attention. I have been saying that Astrological Parts are very underrated for their influences and I might not be too surprised if they prove to be the most significant influences of all in these solstice charts.

Then again, it may have been purely by chance. Time and a lot more study will tell. I only included them here, in this thread, as for the reason they may provide some clue and shouldn't be taken to mean I am convinced of their use at all.
I should have made that clear in the first post I made that included the chart for the Winter Solstice. I haven't been able to dedicate as much time to writing here at the forum as I used to have and I suppose that I should refrain from making any more posts in which I don't.

The main reason I do still continue to post here is to keep stressing the fact that the Sabian Symbols are very relevant, very important to astrological analysis, and should not be ignored.
I'm not certain that I can call them an influence as I'm not altogether sure that there is a "force" of influence that emanates?

It's just that the Sabian Symbols are certain distinguishable phases of a complete cycle in as much as ones daily cycle consists of recurring phases of awaking, starting the day, reaching a moment of high noon and repast, then winding down ones day, returning home, having supper, bathing, and then retiring for some sleep. They are just recurring phases of a natural cycle, but a cycle that has no free will to do otherwise...and as such they have that influence upon us as for the reason we are a part of the same universe they exist within... that govern the cycles of the planets and the luminaries that in turn govern us, or at least influence us, impel us.
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EVEN SIMPLER YET... BUT i THINK MAN IS BEHIND A LOT OF THE DETAILS. MONEY WASN'T CREATED BY SATURN NOR WAS GREED.. NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ANYWAYS.
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EVEN SIMPLER YET... BUT i THINK MAN IS BEHIND A LOT OF THE DETAILS. MONEY WASN'T CREATED BY SATURN NOR WAS GREED.. NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ANYWAYS.
It's the inability to maintain one's balance regarding Saturn's influence in one's Chart that's the problem. The real conundrum is, those who are most unable to do so are in the positions of greatest power and authority. Like, "the inmates are running the asylum".
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Aquarius I hope you are wrong about djt getting in for 4 more years That will certainly destroy any hope this country has for its footing, foundation imo in the future.



BTW: As for the New York Stock Market?


One of the 5 Senators, (4 Republicans and 1 Democrat) is married to the chief of the NY Stock Exchange - He too cashed out with insider info from his wife, the day she attended the meetings on Corona Virus, all secret meetings.
My understanding these crooks managed just in her family alone to save themselves a cool 7 Million (his portion & her's) thanks to his wife's insider info.
Of course EVERYONE of them are denying and coming up with excuses!

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Sprecher, like his wife, has also been successful in the business world. He is the founder and CEO of Intercontinental Exchange, which owns the New York Stock Exchange. Loeffler’s company, the financial platform Bakkt, is a subsidiary of Intercontinental Exchange.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/jeffr...ffler-husband/


add background scandal links:
https://www.newsweek.com/stock-act-r...G0OuT1RYMpQZMw


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https://www.benzinga.com/government/...5JI8Q.facebook

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Aquarius I hope you are wrong about djt getting in for 4 more years That will certainly destroy any hope this country has for its footing, foundation imo in the future.



BTW: As for the New York Stock Market?


One of the 5 Senators, (4 Republicans and 1 Democrat) is married to the chief of the NY Stock Exchange - He too cashed out with insider info from his wife, the day she attended the meetings on Corona Virus, all secret meetings.
My understanding these crooks managed just in her family alone to save themselves a cool 7 Million (his portion & her's) thanks to his wife's insider info.
Of course EVERYONE of them are denying and coming up with excuses!


https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/jeffr...ffler-husband/


add background scandal links:
https://www.newsweek.com/stock-act-r...G0OuT1RYMpQZMw


and:

https://www.benzinga.com/government/...5JI8Q.facebook
OH, I'm sure that it was just a lucky guess... or maybe they were "cash poor" and needed some dough for the down payment on a new Bugatti?
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Well, Bernie just threw in the towel.
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