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Unread 06-14-2016, 01:21 PM
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Indicators of success

Hi everyone! I was wondering something about richness and success in the natal chart. Which are the strongest indicator in astrology? I don't know very much, but I think that if Jupiter is in the second house, maybe the person may be born in a rich family or may gain a lot of money with houses and properties. If it's in the tenth house he should be lucky with his carreer...am I right? But what if someone isn't born lucky and doesn't have a nice Jupiter, he can still be successfull? And if it is so, how do you know where and when he will become successfull?
This is my chart if you want to look at it, thank you if you decide to help me
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Unread 06-14-2016, 04:01 PM
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Other aspects of being successful in your work is having a job that suits your Saturn/Concentration/Effort, energy. Your's is around the teach/experience/mastering/flowing area between Aquarius and Picses.
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Other aspects of being successful in your work is having a job that suits your Saturn/Concentration/Effort, energy. Your's is around the teach/experience/mastering/flowing area between Aquarius and Picses.
Sounds lovely! I really like this combination of Pisces and Aquarius, even if it's a bit weird. I'd love to become an astrologer, so I think it's also quite appropriate.
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Define what success is for you. Jupiter is an equal opportunity make it bigger guy. Jupiter can make bad things bigger just as well as good things.

Jupiter is prominent in death charts.
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Define what success is for you. Jupiter is an equal opportunity make it bigger guy. Jupiter can make bad things bigger just as well as good things.

Jupiter is prominent in death charts.
Sorry,I mean professional succes!
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Success - IMO its good to have a balance of hard aspected planets with harmonious aspects. Too many harmonious aspects makes one lazy and generally leads to squandering whatever talents they could otherwise make use of. So there would be talent yes, yet no or little success.

Jupiter in the 2nd house is good to have sure. Also sagitarius ruling the 2nd house with a nice trine or sextile between venus & jupiter in the chart. It's an indicator of wealth during the lifetime. Particularly if venus or jupiter ruled the sun or to a lesser extent the ascendant. Venus in hard aspect to jupiter could indicate the same if working out of the 2nd house.. but there is a likelihood over over-indulgence and wasteful spending. Which could be offset IMO with some earth placements in the chart - leading to practicality/maturity.

Ruler of your 2nd house is within the 4th. So working with family business - real estate - out of your home could be ways you make money.
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Unread 06-14-2016, 04:49 PM
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Success - IMO its good to have a balance of hard aspected planets with harmonious aspects. Too many harmonious aspects makes one lazy and generally leads to squandering whatever talents they could otherwise make use of. So there would be talent yes, yet no or little success.

Jupiter in the 2nd house is good to have sure. Also sagitarius ruling the 2nd house with a nice trine or sextile between venus & jupiter in the chart. It's an indicator of wealth during the lifetime. Particularly if venus or jupiter ruled the sun or to a lesser extent the ascendant. Venus in hard aspect to jupiter could indicate the same if working out of the 2nd house.. but there is a likelihood over over-indulgence and wasteful spending. Which could be offset IMO with some earth placements in the chart - leading to practicality/maturity.

Ruler of your 2nd house is within the 4th. So working with family business - real estate - out of your home could be ways you make money.
Nice, so if I got it right I should be lucky. Venus rules my ascendant and my moon in Taurus and jupiter is in libra. Also I have Venus square jupiter in my chart.

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Mice, so if I got it right I should be lucky. Venus rules my ascendant and my moon in Taurus and jupiter is in libra. Also I have Venus square jupiter in my chart.
Depends what you mean by lucky. Everyone has a chance to be successful. In relation to money you need to look at the 2nd house and the condition of its ruler.

Your second house is ruled by Mercury. Mercury is placed in the 4th. Mercury is well aspected. But is also not in aspect to venus/jupiter nor are venus and jupiter within mercury ruled signs - such as gemini or virgo.

The venus/jupiter aspect in your chart which is in a t-square with uranus/neptune seems to center on your relationships with others.
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Unread 06-14-2016, 05:39 PM
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Ok so family business, real estate and relationships with others should be the way to success for me. But I don't like any of it! xD I want to be my own boss and maybe even teach people, but not in a traditional way. I'd like to work with divination and spiritual things. I'm really into astrology, palmistry and tarots cards. Do you think I could do well in this field?

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Ok so family business, real estate and relationships with others should be the way to success for me. But I don't like any of it! xD I want to be my own boss and maybe even teach people, but not in a traditional way. I'd like to work with divination and spiritual things. I'm really into astrology, palmistry and tarots cards. Do you think I could do well with these things?

If you work in astrology/palmistry or doing tarot. You would likely be working out of your home and be making use of your Mercury placement of research/communications from the home. And also there would be a strong focus on building relationships as you would need repeat clients. So this could work, certainly. Your natal north node(karmic path) is in the 7th house in Sagittarius so teaching could tie in with that. As jupiter/sagittarius rules teaching/higher learning/philosophical disciplines.

With uranus and neptune in your natal 9th house.. there will always be interests in non-traditional religions or mystical traditions.
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If you work in astrology/palmistry or doing tarot. You would likely be working out of your home and be making use of your Mercury placement of research/communications from the home. And also there would be a strong focus on building relationships as you would need repeat clients. So this could work, certainly. Your natal north node(karmic path) is in the 7th house in Sagittarius so teaching could tie in with that. As jupiter/sagittarius rules teaching/higher learning/philosophical disciplines.

With uranus and neptune in your natal 9th house.. there will always be interests in non-traditional religions or mystical traditions.
Thank you! It's exactly what I was hoping for I'm happy that I can have a chance in this field. It would be my dream job!

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Unread 06-15-2016, 12:41 AM
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Re: Indicators of success

There isn't a clear cut aspect or placement that says you're gonna be succesful, but generally speaking, the people out there making a lot of money and in a high professional status are the ones that combine both good aspects and bad aspects in the natal chart. For example, a grand trine but a t-square, some oppositions and some trines, etc.

I've seen many succesful people with, generally speaking, hard aspects with good house placements, such as a 10th house Saturn.
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Vettius Valens said that the benefics don't do much good in the 2nd. He said the same thing about benefics in the 8th. The reasoning is likely that those houses don't aspect the ascendant. I think jupiter in the angular or trine (or the 11th) houses is better for money and much, much better for jupiters other significations besides material abundance.

The most important indicators of success are the ascendant, the mc, the part of fortune and their rulers and how well configured those rulers are to those points. Among the planets, the sun is the most important indicator of success.
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Vettius Valens said that the benefics don't do much good in the 2nd. He said the same thing about benefics in the 8th. The reasoning is likely that those houses don't aspect the ascendant. I think jupiter in the angular or trine (or the 11th) houses is better for money and much, much better for jupiters other significations besides material abundance.

The most important indicators of success are the ascendant, the mc, the part of fortune and their rulers and how well configured those rulers are to those points. Among the planets, the sun is the most important indicator of success.
So to look for indicators of wealth you gotta look for those planets that aspect the Ascendant or are angular? Let's say a 9th house Venus. Would that be an indicator? Also by indicator I don't mean as a clear cut prediction, of course you gotta look at everything else.
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Unread 06-15-2016, 01:47 AM
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You have a chart that indicates success. The allmuten of your ascendant is an exalted Taurus moon, who is conjunct your ascendant. The ruler of your mc is a strong Saturn in aquarius, who is conjunct the mc... by sign. You also have a leo sun, which is angular, actually all of these dignified planets are angular.

The benefics are cadent however, so success may not come easy, but if they're in better houses from the lot of fortune, success could come easier.
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So to look for indicators of wealth you gotta look for those planets that aspect the Ascendant or are angular? Let's say a 9th house Venus. Would that be an indicator? Also by indicator I don't mean as a clear cut prediction, of course you gotta look at everything else.
It could be. It depends on Venus' state. If she's strong then that person with Venus in the 9th probably had an easier life. Technically the 9th is cadent though, which isn't great, but it's also an elevated house and elevated strong benefics in good houses generally do indicate being born with a silver spoon.
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It could be. It depends on Venus' state. If she's strong then that person with Venus in the 9th probably had an easier life. Technically the 9th is cadent though, which isn't great, but it's also an elevated house and elevated strong benefics in good houses generally do indicate being born with a silver spoon.
I'm not saying I have that placement. I do not. By the way, you mentioned in your other post the almuten of the first house. How important are almutens? Do they act as house rulers? I have two almutens (ruling?) the 10th house. How can you interpret that?
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When it comes down to it the almuten is the house ruler. Your 10th has 2 rulers with an equal claim to the throne.
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He said the same thing about benefics in the 8th. The reasoning is likely that those houses don't aspect the ascendant. I think jupiter in the angular or trine (or the 11th) houses is better for money and much, much better for jupiters other significations besides material abundance.

The most important indicators of success are the ascendant, the mc, the part of fortune and their rulers and how well configured those rulers are to those points. Among the planets, the sun is the most important indicator of success.
You can look at two very wealthy twins- the olsen twins. (granted they are very hard working and business oriented) Who have jupiter in the 8th in harmonious aspect to venus. venus rules the MC. and the power comes from venus square to pluto.

I think benefics like jupiter in the 2nd and 8th can definitely aid in material comforts but there needs to be other favorable configurations as well to support jupiter.
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You have a chart that indicates success. The allmuten of your ascendant is an exalted Taurus moon, who is conjunct your ascendant. The ruler of your mc is a strong Saturn in aquarius, who is conjunct the mc... by sign. You also have a leo sun, which is angular, actually all of these dignified planets are angular.

The benefics are cadent however, so success may not come easy, but if they're in better houses from the lot of fortune, success could come easier.
I'm sorry but what is the lot of fortune? I really don't have a clue And also, what is the allmuten?
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I'm sorry but what is the lot of fortune? I really don't have a clue And also, what is the allmuten?
Almuten is the planet that would have the highest dignity in the cusp of a house. Your Moon is the planet that out of all the planets in your chart, has the highest dignity in the exact degree where your ascendant falls.
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I'm sorry but what is the lot of fortune?

I really don't have a clue

Part of Fortune aka 'fortuna' = one of the so-called Arabic Parts and the most commonly used
It is treated as a benefic
and generally considered as a significator of good fortune
when well placed or favourably aspected.
Its symbol is:


The Part of Fortune is calculated by adding the Moon's zodiac degree to that of the ascendant
and subtracting the degree of the Sun.
Absolute longitude is used,
which translates 0 Aries to zero degrees
and 29 Pisces as 359 degrees
for example: 18 degrees Taurus = 48 degrees
i.e.
the 30 degrees of Aries + 18 of Taurus

Our EDUCATION BOARD features an article by Ray Austin
The Five Lots of Fate, Success, Your Fortune Chart
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'.....The Lot of Fortune
The key. This is the native’s potential for prosperity, the character of the native,
and another characterization of the native’s physical body.
It is the medium through which the other lots operate, as it is the ‘physical body’,
thus the vehicle through which the native executes their ambitions.
It can also be considered a gateway.

Strong – The native is blessed with the vitality to achieve fortune, as well as auspicious character.
They also have potential for great prosperity.
If the other lots are fortunate, then we have a good medium through which privileged promise can operate.
They may be ambitious.

Weak
– The physical form may hinder attainment in some fashion,
and/or the character of the native is not conducive towards success.
They may not have a great promise of prosperity.
If other lots promise great things, the native himself may be too weak to realize such gains.
They may not even care for great success....'
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And also, what is the allmuten?
Almuten is the strongest planet when all essential dignities are considered http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/almuten.html
The term is Arabic and derives from al-mateen, meaning 'the firm one' or 'strong in power'

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Almuten is the planet that would have the highest dignity in the cusp of a house.
Your Moon is the planet that out of all the planets in your chart,
has the highest dignity in the exact degree where your ascendant falls.


The method of identifying the almuten involves considering the full range of essential dignities
so that rulership by sign, exaltation, triplicity, term and face is considered - not just rulership by sign.
Hence Venus is said to rule the sign of Libra
but Saturn is the almuten, being capable of assuming rulership by exaltation, triplicity, term and face

A point scoring technique is often used to determine the almuten of any given point.
This, and further details are outlined in part 5 of the tutorial Understanding Planetary Dignity and Debility.

The Almuten of the Figure is the most dignified planet in the chart.
This is often confused with the Lord of the Geniture
but generally the Almuten of the Figure does not recognise accidental dignity
whereas the Lord of the Geniture does.
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What if the ruler of 2nd house is retrograde in 10th,does that mean that success comes later in life?also having chiron in 10th also makes it difficult to gain success?
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Almuten is the strongest planet when all essential dignities are considered http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/almuten.html
The term is Arabic and derives from al-mateen, meaning 'the firm one' or 'strong in power'



The method of identifying the almuten involves considering the full range of essential dignities
so that rulership by sign, exaltation, triplicity, term and face is considered - not just rulership by sign.
Hence Venus is said to rule the sign of Libra
but Saturn is the almuten, being capable of assuming rulership by exaltation, triplicity, term and face
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