Meditation help

[david starling]

Originally Posted by Cap

I know. I am merely pointing out that imagining "the Source" as something different from yourself is an unnecessary step since you are already limitless existence. In this way, you are feeding the ego with the false notion that you are a small limited body/ego and there is something greater "out there" different from yourself in which you can "tap in".



Alan Watts was a wise man.

Yes. Wonder what he would have said about this Dalai Llama controversy. Speaking of wise men, I tend to think it was deliberate, and for a good reason. He's all about change for the better.

[JUPITERASC]

Quote from His Holiness the Dalai Lama

"How we view human nature
can mean the difference
between living in a world
filled with people who are perceived
as hostile, violent and dangerous,
or as essentially kind, helpful and gentle.
A deep awareness
of the essential goodness of human beings
can give us courage and hope."

[david starling]

Originally Posted by Cap

I know. I am merely pointing out that imagining "the Source" as something different from yourself is an unnecessary step since you are already limitless existence. In this way, you are feeding the ego with the false notion that you are a small limited body/ego and there is something greater "out there" different from yourself in which you can "tap in".

Yes, but it's like contraction and expansion. Breathing in and breathing out. Existence isn't static.

[JUPITERASC]

[JUPITERASC]

[Cap]

Originally Posted by david starling

Yes, but it's like contraction and expansion. Breathing in and breathing out. Existence isn't static.

1.13
Meditate on this: “I am Awareness alone--Unity itself.”
Give up the idea that you are separate, a person,
that there is within and without.

15.4
You are not the body.
You do not have a body.
You neither do nor enjoy.
You are Awareness only--the timeless Witness.
You are free.
Go in happiness.

15.7
You are That in which the universe appears
like waves appearing in the ocean.
You are Consciousness itself.
No need to worry.

15.14
Whatever you perceive
is You and You alone.
How can bracelets, armlets and anklets
be other than the gold they are made of?

https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content...Gita-ebook.pdf

[morgthm]

If you could store the structure of your areas of focus from meditating at one time in a sort of solid sense and reinsert it into yourself at a later, is it still necessarily meditation.
Is it simply a state of mind for health and calming or maybe inherently to allow for expansive ideas

[Cap]

Originally Posted by morgthm

If you could store the structure of your areas of focus from meditating at one time in a sort of solid sense and reinsert it into yourself at a later, is it still necessarily meditation.
Is it simply a state of mind for health and calming or maybe inherently to allow for expansive ideas

The goal of every meditation technique is to arrive in a state where the object of meditation, the subject (mind) and the process itself merge into one. In a sense, the whole method has been devised in order to trick the mind into disappearing. What's left, if successful, is pure awareness, your true nature.

This is what has been described as Sat-Chit-Ananda (Existence - Consciousness - Bliss) in ancient texts. In that state, there is no mind or memory and you are not concerned with health issues or ideas, such things exist only when mind/ego exists. One is timeless, formless, infinite Existence - Consciousness - Bliss.

[morgthm]

Originally Posted by Cap

The goal of every meditation technique is to arrive in a state where the object of meditation, the subject (mind) and the process itself merge into one. In a sense, the whole method has been devised in order to trick the mind into disappearing. What's left, if successful, is pure awareness, your true nature.

This is what has been described as Sat-Chit-Ananda (Existence - Consciousness - Bliss) in ancient texts. In that state, there is no mind or memory and you are not concerned with health issues or ideas, such things exist only when mind/ego exists. One is timeless, formless, infinite Existence - Consciousness - Bliss.

I was considering the motion that perhaps Buddhist monks were able to store the structure of someone's mental state and reinsert it into them at a later date, rather than pulling them about. From one version of themselves to another. I personally think the results would be good for relaxation but not so much for dreaming, expanding much more, etc.
Just wondered if effortless meditation would still be considered as meditation to others
I'm aware enough that you need to feel effortless in your mind to expand, just wondered if was fixed as a verb as such

[Cap]

Originally Posted by morgthm

I was considering the motion that perhaps Buddhist monks were able to store the structure of someone's mental state and reinsert it into them at a later date, rather than pulling them about. From one version of themselves to another. I personally think the results would be good for relaxation but not so much for dreaming, expanding much more, etc.
Just wondered if effortless meditation would still be considered as meditation to others
I'm aware enough that you need to feel effortless in your mind to expand, just wondered if was fixed as a verb as such

Knowing the minds of others is one common minor siddhi (spiritual power) that may appear as a result of spiritual practice. I don't know if what you are suggesting is possible. However, realized yogi/saint can influence the state of mind of another person just by being in close proximity. He "radiates" calmness. The same is with Kundalini energy and Ahimsa power (non-violence).

[morgthm]

I was thinking now about how you can build things spiritually.. They'd definitely be able to build something that could store the thought and emotion structures from someone in a particular state and replicate it, right?
It's easy enough to talk to and control people on the other side of the world of you've got the mind to. Proximity is just suggestion in a sense

[Cap]

Originally Posted by morgthm

It's easy enough to talk to and control people on the other side of the world of you've got the mind to. Proximity is just suggestion in a sense

The influence on the mind of another person in close proximity is automatic and effortless. It requires no intention, it just happens by itself.

Psychic communication on a distance is a completely different phenomenon.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by morgthm

I was thinking now about how you can build things spiritually.. They'd definitely be able to build something that could store the thought and emotion structures from someone in a particular state and replicate it, right?
It's easy enough to talk to and control people on the other side of the world of you've got the mind to. Proximity is just suggestion in a sense

[JUPITERASC]

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"The remedy
is to look deeper
and
recognize
that we human beings
are physically, mentally and emotionally
the same."

- HH Dalai Lama

[morgthm]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

Only manipulative people like to feel disconnected from the norm, even in harsher environments. Efficiency should always want to tie back to connectivity and nurturing and justify itself by helping others to a reasonable extent.
Sometimes, you just need to go to far and require verbal hints on why to turn back. Of course, lightheadedness from using too much energy on computations is a bit folly. But in the UK is a bit of a last freedom at the age of 15
After 10 years, I think some of the old suits are still in storage, just got to wait for my brain to heal from shooting at immorals from the sky and staying stubborn

[JUPITERASC]

When true realization dawns in one's mind
~ Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche
https://justdharma.com/s/ck99j

🗝️Experiences are like mist: they will fade away
Practitioners who spend their time practicing in seclusion
are certain to have many different experiences, but
these experiences are very unreliable.
As it is said, experiences are like rainbows, but
the great meditator who runs after them like a child
will be deceived.
We may occasionally have flashes of clairvoyance,
seeing things we cannot ordinarily know.
We may have signs of accomplishment, or predictions
from the deity or the dakinis.
But such experiences in most cases
give rise to hope and expectation.
They are none other than the tricks of demons:
they simply cause obstacles.
When true realization dawns in one’s mind, it is like the king of mountains,
Mount Meru, which no wind can shake.
– Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche
from the book "Zurchungpa's Testament"
available on amazon

[morgthm]

Simply, it's best to trust those who cause least harm, teach complex knowledge and wish to allow for the increasing complexity of understanding for all people on the planet. Forms of Buddhism that use manipulation, be it physical affecting or psychologically negatively affecting of emotions seem not to be trustworthy as their goals will be insular.
Those who practice on their own can be easily contained within enough complexity, good intentions and will likely always be resistant of force of any kind. As is always said and is clearly obvious that a unification of ideas and practices can be found through the honest quest towards peace. It's best not to waste time collaborating with those who hold too firmly to positions of national interest or only try to support one style or method for self complexity.
Those who are likely to use force even will likely find sanctuary within people similar to themselves.
All knowledge can be imparted with enough emphasis through language, some tentative displays, but never positively through force

[JUPITERASC]

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[JUPITERASC]

[morgthm]

The teacher is responsible for his or her improper behaviour. It is the student's responsibility not to be drawn into it. The blame is on both: the student, because he is too obedient and devoted to the teacher; and the teacher, because he lacks the integrity necessary to be immune to that kind of vulnerability

- Little book of Buddhism

You've got to be yourself to be responsible, haven't you

[JUPITERASC]

LOVE AND COMPASSION

Truly speaking, from my own point of view, the service of people
is rendered by love and compassion, not by hatred.

I don’t think you give service to people through the barrel of a gun or with bombs.
But love and compassion does.


~ Gelek Rimpoche
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[morgthm]

True , but just producing good feelings to allure people into manipulation or taking advantage of those in desperate situations is maybe ultimately more soul crushing than holding a drive for life and self-determining to push yourself to do the right thing.
If you're under any form of manipulation, it will likely never lead to any good outcome in terms of your own ability to do the right thing as the means people will need to use to get you there will put them in a position of obvious instability and untrustworthyness.
It's best to tie understanding you gain from buddhism into your own thoughts and feelings and show appreciation for how it has helped you in this way, only communists like in Laos would want someone to worship forceful control. Nobody or group could ever do the right thing by the whole world by remaining self - centered to too much of an extent. Training will never take too much or drain you if from unselfish people
For westerners, fitting a more solid feeling maybe simplistic description to what you do and go through makes it easier to push against bad people wanting to deceive. Artful wording can leave people with too inefficient understanding to be able to self-defend spiritually if not taken as something outside of themselves and tied into their own way of relating to the world.
In terms of ego-loss, many people are able to make themselves do the right thing and lose negative thoughts and feelings on the right path.
People could do with focusing on the character of actions (spiritual or physical), rather than feelings or purported sentiment. Respect should never be given without enough understanding for why it is due, level headed people that don't focus strongly on power don't need this sense from people
Emotional communication isn't much compared to being more likely to do the right thing in corrupt environments

[JUPITERASC]

" Of all the paths
eightfild path is the best;
of all the truths
the four noble truths are the best
of all things
passionlessness is the best:
of men
the seeing one (The Buddha)
is the best...!!! " -Dhammapada-273~ Megga Vagga.

[morgthm]

Never ever accept any form of ideas that arise through restraining forces, they will always not be globally beneficial. Meditation opposes this also, **** communists
"Oh no..It's frustrating, I might be wrong" beats spiritual manipulation and forcing a complacent feeling into people's backs, Laos
Uncaring but good feeling lower thighs for a watery people?

I don't think Tibetan Buddhism would untie and mental knots made inside the minds of any people without their doing so themselves or without informed consent

[JUPITERASC]

Quote from His Holiness the XIV Dalai Lama




"I am a bit skeptical about what we call blessings.
I believe the ultimate source of blessings is within us.

A good motivation and honesty bring self-confidence
which attracts the trust and respect of others.

Therefore, the real source of blessings is in our own mind."

www.dalailama.com