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Unread 05-12-2008, 12:30 PM
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midheaven aspects

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Could someone tell me if good aspects to the midheaven, like sun trine midheaven, help to make up for a lack of planets in the tenth house???

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Unread 05-12-2008, 09:46 PM
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Re: midheaven aspects

Sun trine midheaven looks like a positive aspect. If your concern with the MC [vocation, public image] is about your job/career, you might also consider the 6th house, which would deal with work habits, attitudes, and service; as well as the 2nd, which says something about how you make money. An absence of planets in a house isn't a particular problem: it merely suggests that your focus lies in other domains of life.

Not all astrologers look at the planetary ruler of the house cusp for further information about the house, but I like to do this. For example, if your MC is Virgo, its planetary ruler is Mercury. If your MC ruler is Scorpio, your planetary ruler is Pluto. Then the house in which this ruler sits will give you further information about your 10th house. In the first example, for instance, Virgo on the MC suggests that someone might go about her career in a (Virgo-like) practical, analytical way. If her Mercury is in the 2nd house of money in Capricorn, then she might be great as a financial analyst or accountant.
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Re: midheaven aspects

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Thanks for your esponse, so the planetary ruler of the 10th house is also important....mine is in aquarius, would that be good for astrology??? I think i've a fairly good understanding and am interested in exploring a little further
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Re: midheaven aspects

Could be: Uranus, the modern ruler of Aquarius, is also the modern ruler of astrology! Your choice, but do you want to post your chart?
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Re: midheaven aspects

Rather not actually!, been told it's abit scary!!! I find it easier to consider other people's charts, but incredibly difficult reading inbetween the lines of my own, astrology might be a good bet......uranus in scorpio in 6th. In the 2nd, moon on the cusp and ceres in cancer. Also, been reading about asteroid urania as a sort of ruler of astrology?, that's in the 6th house...scorpio is intercepted in 6th house, astrology is quite a scorpionic vocation.....does that sound plausible?

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Re: midheaven aspects

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astrology is quite a scorpionic vocation.....
Astrology is very much a mathematical science/language. I know lots of you out there have been learning via computer and probably never had to cast a chart by hand. Lot's of math and grasp of basic science involved. I was stymied myself in my 20's I could not wrap my head around some of the concepts and had no one to check results with... (now, post internet era,click, click, click, I can see what I did wrong) So I would say Astrology is in the Air Element domain. Now interpretation is another story... air still works when using hard facts. If Astrology interpretation is an intuitive one, water signs work well. Scorpio always strikes me as secretive... with Astrology, nothing is hidden... even "bit scary" charts. An Astrologer would be best not to pass judgments just point out potentials.

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Re: midheaven aspects

lovemole, there are so many different charts belonging to really good astrologers that probably there is no single "Aha!" kind of chart. I have read in different times and places that most professional astrologers have their moons in water signs, that 11 degrees Virgo is the "astrologer's degree", that asteroid Urania should be prominent, that no one should be an astrologer who can't calculate a chart by hand (wintersprite1's point, above), that astrologers should have expertise in clinical psychology, and so on. At this point, I think one just has to realize that there are many different kinds of astrologers, ranging from the traditional and academic, to the intuitive popular sort. So maybe the issue isn't, "Can you be an astrologer?" but "What sort would you become?"

Winterspite1's point is well taken, though, because most of the professional astrology association exams that offer solid credentials do require applicants to do the math by hand. I also agree with her that a chart gives a kind of roadmap, but it can't be read in a deterministic kind of way. [You know the astrologers who say, "Well actually you have all those 12th house planets, so this is why your life *****;" or worse yet, "This is why you're a rotten person." Phooy to that take on astrology, I say!]

I think the best way to tell if you'd be good as a pro astrologer is just to read as many charts as you can, on this and other forums. Read charts for your friends and family. Ask them to give you feedback. That way you will know if you have a knack for astrology. Maybe you're already doing this. If so, you don't need any particular chart placements to tell you how it is going.

The ruler of the 10th in the 6th house of work and service looks promising. Especially if it is well-aspected. Of course, I wouldn't ask you to post your chart if you don't wish to do so, but how scary can it be, relatively speaking? There aren't too many "vanilla" charts out there!
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Re: midheaven aspects

Hi
Thanks for your responses
I've been trying to learn as much as I can, but you're right i've never had a go at calculating a chart by hand.
As for the 'scary' (!) chart, they didn't actually say it was scary, but I think it was something to do with Saturn aspects or something, it hit a nerve because they were the things I was interested in and working on at the time, I found it abit predatory to be honest, considering the personal nature and all....
...think I need to read more charts, but it's difficult trying to get feedback from people without prying too much!

Can I also ask what would be considered a 'strong' chart, is it the number of conjunctions, planets aspected or the number of interaspects???

Wintersprite, thanks for your message, i've got predominately air/water signs, so probably more suited to intuitive astrology? It's really difficult knowing if you're on the right track or not, as far as interpretation goes.........you're right about passing judgement, really gets my goat!

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Re: midheaven aspects

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...think I need to read more charts, but it's difficult trying to get feedback from people without prying too much!
That is one of the wonderful things about this forum. Knowing it is a learning and experience place, we are kind of all like Astrological Cadavers... expecting to get picked apart and examined. There will be plenty of posts you can learn from.


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Can I also ask what would be considered a 'strong' chart, is it the number of conjunctions, planets aspected or the number of interaspects???
I am not sure what you are asking. Every chart is "strong" just as every individual is precious. Sometimes you have to look hard to find it in both cases. Try thinking of aspects as tensions... some harmonious like a well tuned guitar, others tightly wound and creating a discord.... but all important in the symphony the individual is personifying. Personally, I feel the more tense a chart is the better chance of seeing a dynamic person emerge.


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i've got predominately air/water signs, so probably more suited to intuitive astrology? It's really difficult knowing if you're on the right track or not, as far as interpretation goes

Couldn't answer that for you... you will have to eventually see what you gravitate toward. 15 years ago, I worked on a psychic line. I worked with another gal that called herself an Astrologer. I remember I was eating a sardine and jalapeño pizza (don't try that at home kids!) scratching my 8 month pregnant belly and commenting the baby was my little Saturn Return bundle (and she has been ) and this Astrologer asked me what a Saturn return was. That is when it dawned on me, there is no magical point where you can say " I am an Astrologer" it is completely subject and arbitrary. As for myself, I still hesitate to give myself that title.... I feel like I am still lacking so much information... just started learning about Karmic Astrology and using parallels and declination of latitudes.... and realize there is so much more than I can ever learn in a life time. Just keep plugging away and find what interests you and what you are comfort with.

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Re: midheaven aspects

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I've come to realise I don't take criticism very well! But I do take it on board and try to counter that by trying to work things through myself.....

....it was more with the squares, so there's an opportunity to rework certain things even though they manifest initially as problems?

the trines and sextiles are all good.....with the conjunctions is that the main characteristic to build around if you like??? (I've got a pathological good/bad syndrome....wanting to find the good in everything!!!) When giving advice to other people, is it more just making them aware of certain elements, than exactly advising on how to deal with it?
Suppose some things you don't need a certificate for, they just are and you've to go with what you know.
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Re: midheaven aspects

Dear lovemole,

Regarding the difference between sextiles and trines, squares, and conjunctions. Some astrology books do classify sextiles and trines as good, and squares and oppositions as bad. Many don't. I think that the basis for classifying aspects as bad or good was based on theory esp by people who needed to classify things as bad or good. In actual practice it doesn't hold up well. First of all, all horoscopes have an equal portion of "good' and "bad" aspects" so this doesn't explain why some people are more successful than others. Also a suprising number of people with "bad" aspects do really, really well in areas that they shouldn't and some people do badly with "good aspects". For example, grand trines (three planets tied together in trine aspects) are in theory good. In actual practice they occur commonly in the horoscopes of law breakers (Martha Stewart). Squares and oppositions occur very frequently in the horoscopes of successful people. For example Roger Federer considered the best tennis player of all time and a graceful loser has Mars square Jupiter and inc Mercury. Elizabeth Browning, a poetess, had Mercury sq Neptune.
Because of this, many astrology books, such as those by Sue Tompkins and Stephen Arroyo, hardly make a distinction between various kinds of aspects, other than to say that the so called hard aspects tend to be more powerful, and the sextiles and trines are less so esp as people get older.
What I find to be most true about aspects is that the more exact they are, the more powerful they are, and also that all that they indicate is that the energies of the planets involved are brought together in some way. How they are brought together is up to you. Taking the judgement out of evaluating aspects tends to give more useful and accurate information, which will help you integrate them in your horoscope.

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Re: midheaven aspects

lovemole, you've gotten some terrific feedback from wintersprite1 and Leeuba. I would only add that the serious study of astrology takes time. It is comparable to a large academic discipline like, oh, English literature or physics. Everybody majoring in English at the B. A. level is expected to acquire a certain level of proficiency at a range of sub-fields, but then as the students become more advanced they tend to specialize in their chosen areas. Horary astrology, for example, is one field I decided I just wasn't going to master, but I am trying to learn as much as I can about some other branches of astrology. Hopefully you are building up a reference library of astrology books as well as sleuthing the Internet. And also becoming a connoisseur of what you read: astrology does contain the good, the bad, and the downright idiotic! I think it is also important just to learn about a wide range of human natures--there are all kinds of people behind those charts!

It sounds good to me that you respect the privacy of people's charts that you read. I think astrologers should feel a lot of responsibility to be respectful towards the people whose souls they glimpse!

Good luck on your astrological voyage, lovemole!
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Re: midheaven aspects

Look I love challenges!
If my chart were full of trines and sextiles, or anyones for that matter, lazyness would ensue.
We all have things to work on, challenges to overcome- only to make us stronger and more individualistic people.
I think that a strong chart only follows a strong person.
A chart is nothing but a piece of paper, unless you stand behind it, understand it and breathe life into it.
That is why this forum is so fantastic! We can help eachother to understand our charts and strengthen ourselves with it!
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Re: midheaven aspects

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that 11 degrees Virgo is the "astrologer's degree", that asteroid Urania should be prominent,
Bizarrely, I have Urania at 11 degrees Virgo...
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Re: midheaven aspects

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I would only add that the serious study of astrology takes time.....to acquire a certain level of proficiency....then....specialize in their chosen areas.
I wonder if this is changing now though, maybe making it easier/quicker for a "new" astrologer to specialise than has been the case in the past.

For example, Noel Tyl's book "Vocations" outlines an approach that (he claims) enables anyone to determine an individual's ideal vocation in "around 20 minutes". All that's needed is his book, a knowledge of planetary characteristics + rulerships and a simple piece of "freeware" that calculates the things listed therein. He calls this the "Midheaven Extension Process" and, having tried it myself, it not only appears to work but looks as if it could be used to "extend" any of the twelve houses in a chart.

On another thread, I've commented that Chiron may result in the de-skilling of astrology - making it easily understood by anyone with more than a passing interest in it. Perhaps this "Extension Process" is an early step in that direction.

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