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David what are your thoughts on the astrology behind historical and current climate change?

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David what are your thoughts on the astrology behind historical and current climate change?
The Saturnian, Capitalistic economic system is currently causing an imbalance in the ecosystem we all depend upon for survival. That includes GMOs and bee-killing pesticides. This correlates to the culmination of the Age of Capricorn.

Whatever can be done to decrease air-pollution will help reduce destructive climate change, which most likely has natural causes as well.
The Air-sign Aquarius is increasingly significant in this transitional period, and that will help us focus on cleaning up the atmosphere, despite Saturnian resistance.
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I want to emphasize that the motto "Novus Ordo Seclorum" which is emblazoned on the U.S. dollar bill, means "New Order of the Ages, and is not about the upcoming Age of Aquarius.

It's about the culmination of this tropical Age of Capricorn, under Saturnian rulership. The previous, Fall Season of Ages is being superseded by the effects correlating to the final results of this first Age of the Winter Seasonal quadrant.
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The Saturnian, Capitalistic economic system is currently causing an imbalance in the ecosystem we all depend upon for survival. That includes GMOs and bee-killing pesticides. This correlates to the culmination of the Age of Capricorn.

Whatever can be done to decrease air-pollution will help reduce destructive climate change, which most likely has natural causes as well.
The Air-sign Aquarius is increasingly significant in this transitional period, and that will help us focus on cleaning up the atmosphere, despite Saturnian resistance.
I asked about global warming, not GMOs and bee-killing pesticides.

But don't worry, God has established a covenant with Noah our father - ''While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.'' - Gen. 8:22
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The 3 most other planets in their ruling signs (last year, Jupiter was in Sagittarius, now in capricorn and heading into Aquarius, then in Pisces in 2022):

The last time Saturn was in Aquarius was during the L.A. (Rodney King) riots happened.

The last time Pluto was in Capricorn was during the American revolution.

And Neptune was in Pisces when Rome fell.

We have all 3 right now!

And let's not add Eris in 27-29' Pisces during the great global flu pandemic (1918 and 1919) which is "the end times" degrees, and now in 23' Aries in the Covid-19 pandemic (22 and 23rd degrees have a lot of malefic energies). Eris is associated with great disasters, esp. in the last decan of Pisces and in the sign of Aries since 1923 to continue until it transits Taurus in the 2050s, maybe the first decan of Taurus is equally malefic).
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Saturn in Cancer is malefic, look at America in 1973-75 to have Watergate, the oil embargos and losing the war in Vietnam. And in 2003-04, Saturn in Cancer again when the US had the war on terror with active military campaigns in Iraq to oust Saddam Hussein and the Taliban in Afghanistan after the 9/11 (2001) terrorist attacks. Saturn in Cancer is opposite of its ruler sign Capricorn, and it can be the opposite of what good the ringed planet can bring. In the first 8 mos of 1973, Saturn in Gemini, Jupiter in Aquarius and Uranus in Libra which are air signs symbolized a wave of liberalism in American politics in the mid 1970s. In May 5, 2000, all the 7 traditional planets (Saturn, along with the Sun, the moon ,Mercury, Venus and Jupiter) in the sign Taurus is a renowned powerful stellium to foretold what kind of decade, 21st century and new millennium it would be.
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The effective Aquarian Age will get off to a strong start once it begins in 2149, with its Mean-setting ingress into tropical Aquarius.

Capricorn will shift from foreground Age-sign to background Age, and Saturn will become much less influential in the Natal-charts. The newly enhanced Uranian rulership of the Aquarian Age will take charge of our collective psyches, replacing Saturn in that regard, and reality as we currently know it will undergo a radical transformation. Mental abilities that are nearly impossible now, will not only become possible, they'll be considered necessary and normal.

Saturn will become a useful, non-malefic placement, providing a modicum of stability in the new, very unstructured, Uranian-ruled paradigm of human existence.
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Looked up Robert Hand's version of sidereal astrology, to find out what his personal ayanamsa is, with no result. He's a tropicalist who's website claims he does employ siderealism in his readings. Too expensive to find out for sure though!$$$

He chose to use the Year 1 A.D. for his beginning of the sidereal Age of Pisces, which makes it look like he's just another tropical astrologer treating the sidereal Zodiac as an "Ages-only" configuration. It puts the locations of his sidereal Sign-boundaries way out of agreement, both by position and by method, with every genuine siderealist in the world, as far as I can tell.

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If anyone is familiar with Robert Hand's personal ayanamsa for drawing a sidereal Chart, assuming he does draw sidereal Charts, please let me know.

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Robert Hand is an amazing astrologer. He can think creatively in addition to following and explaining the conventional lore.

He did choose the correct start-year 2149 for the tropical Aquarian Age, using the Anno Domini (A.D.) dating system in combination with the use of the Vernal Point transit through a never-used setting of the sidereal Zodiac--highly intuitive!

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You can't have an "astrological Age" without a TRANSITING astrological Age-indicator locating the Zodiacal Age-sign and the degree of the Age-sign.

The sidereal Zodiac has one end of the precessional, Equinoctial Line for that purpose. It transits the sidereal Zodiac, retrograde, at the current rate of 71.6 years per degree. Its exact position in that type of Zodiac depends almost entirely on just where the sidereal Signs are placed according to the sidereal astrologers, who disagree among themselves on that very matter.

The tropical astrological Ages CANNOT be tracked using the precessional, Equinoctial Line because it's ALREADY BEING USED for locating the tropical Signs themselves, and therefore is entirely motionless along the tropical Zodiac.

For that reason, a different type of precessional Line, one which DOES transit the tropical Zodiac, is required in order to track the precessional, tropical Ages.

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In 2025-26, there's a Saturn-Neptune conjunction in Aries (and includes Eris and True Node in Pisces within 30 degrees), and a Saturn-Uranus conjunction in Gemini (with Venus and Mars in Cancer within 30 degrees) in 2032. Saturn is up to dirty ol' tricks in the 2020s and 2030s, we'll wait and find out what they are. The "Aquarian-Capricornian" age under the weighty influence of Saturn is here.
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I see it more like / and /.

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You can't have an "astrological Age" without a TRANSITING astrological Age-indicator locating the Zodiacal Age-sign and the degree of the Age-sign.

The sidereal Zodiac has one end of the precessional, Equinoctial Line for that purpose. It transits the sidereal Zodiac, retrograde, at the current rate of 71.6 years per degree. Its exact position in that type of Zodiac depends almost entirely on just where the sidereal Signs are placed according to the sidereal astrologers, who disagree among themselves on that very matter.

The tropical astrological Ages CANNOT be tracked using the precessional, Equinoctial Line because it's ALREADY BEING USED for locating the tropical Signs themselves, and therefore is entirely motionless along the tropical Zodiac.

For that reason, a different type of precessional Line, one which DOES transit the tropical Zodiac, is required in order to track the precessional, tropical Ages.
In both tropical and sidereal astrology, the constellations are revolving around the Earth. The Earth does not move according to astrology. It may not move according to physics too.

''The term "Neo-tychonian system" refers to the assumption that orbits of distant masses around the Earth are synchronized with the Sun's orbit. It is the aim of this paper to show the kinematical and dynamical equivalence of these systems, under the assumption of Mach's principle.'' - https://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.6045.pdf
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All movement is relative. In the case of these Ages, it's usually seen as an Age-indicator moving through the Signs. However, if you prefer to visualize it as the Signs moving relative to the Age-indicator, nothing wrong with that.
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All movement is relative. In the case of these Ages, it's usually seen as an Age-indicator moving through the Signs. However, if you prefer to visualize it as the Signs moving relative to the Age-indicator, nothing wrong with that.
It is relative kinematically. It is not relative dynamically.
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It is relative kinematically. It is not relative dynamically.
Either way then. As long as we can identify the current Age-sign and its degree, as well as what it was in the past, and when it will ingress Aquarius.
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Either way then. As long as we can identify the current Age-sign and its degree, as well as what it was in the past, and when it will ingress Aquarius.
You are identifying when the last degree of Aquarius will ingress into the equinoctial point of the celestial equator, not the ingress of the equinoctial point of the celestial equator into Aquarius.
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You are identifying when the last degree of Aquarius will ingress into the equinoctial point of the celestial equator, not the ingress of the equinoctial point of the celestial equator into Aquarius.
Okay. That works. There are devices with a stationary pointer where you turn the dial to set it. I'm seeing it more like an analogue clock-dial with moving hands.
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Okay. That works. There are devices with a stationary pointer where you turn the dial to set it. I'm seeing it more like an analogue clock-dial with moving hands.
The constellations aren't retrograde, they are moving like the planets west to east around the fixed Earth, in addition to their daily rotation.

You seem confused as to how the tropical zodiac in astrology works.
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Holding the sidereal wheel stationary, the tropical wheel rotates around it in retrograde fashion, and there's a convergence of spokes (Sign-boundaries) when each new sidereal Age begins.
You can't have the tropical zodiac rotating around anything but the fixed Earth by definition. The fixed Earth by the aether is a compelling argument for divine providence.

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The constellations aren't retrograde, they are moving like the planets west to east around the fixed Earth, in addition to their daily rotation.

You seem confused as to how the tropical zodiac in astrology works.
No, I have both the Geocentric and Heliocentric models for consideration. Holding the tropical Signs in place, the constellations have direct-movement through them.

Holding the sidereal Signs in place, the measured, 30 degree interval known as "tropical Aries" is equivalent to the sidereal Age-window. It has retrograde motion through the stationary sidereal Signs, moving into convergence with a 30 degree sidereal Sign every 2150 years or so.

I've never seen an analogue clock where the hands were stationary and the numbered divisions rotated. It's always straight up 12, straight down 6.
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I see it more like / and /.
Splitting (also called black-and-white thinking or all-or-nothing thinking) is the failure in a person's thinking to bring together the dichotomy of both positive and negative qualities of the self and others into a cohesive, realistic whole. It is a common defense mechanism. The individual tends to think in extremes (i.e., an individual's actions and motivations are all good or all bad with no middle ground). - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)
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No, I have both the Geocentric and Heliocentric models for consideration. Holding the tropical Signs in place, the constellations have direct-movement through them.

Holding the sidereal Signs in place, the measured, 30 degree interval known as "tropical Aries" is equivalent to the sidereal Age-window. It has retrograde motion through the stationary sidereal Signs, moving into convergence with a 30 degree sidereal Sign every 2150 years or so.

I've never seen an analogue clock where the hands were stationary and the numbered divisions rotated. It's always straight up 12, straight down 6.
In astrology you are working with the powers of nature. There will be a very certain influence if the geocentric assumption is correct. There will be a very uncertain influence if the heliocentric assumption is correct. In fact, astrology nearly died out when the second assumption was adopted.

I don't understand the clock analogy - American isn't my first language.
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Splitting (also called black-and-white thinking or all-or-nothing thinking) is the failure in a person's thinking to bring together the dichotomy of both positive and negative qualities of the self and others into a cohesive, realistic whole. It is a common defense mechanism. The individual tends to think in extremes (i.e., an individual's actions and motivations are all good or all bad with no middle ground). - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)
Well known that Saturn, the adversarial planet , is an important ingredient in Christianity's evil being known as "Satan, the Adversary".

The prefix "Uran-" refers to the Heavens.
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