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Not at all, but it seems you don't consider that a form of rape.

Nor are you concerned with the psychological impact loosing a part of his body might bring on the animal, for nothing else besides human convenience.

But it seems that acts of cruely against animals are ok as long as they align with your interests?
No, you were tricking me Dirius and are forgetting the point, that animals need our help and you are trying to project blame away from yourself because you already admitted the meat and dairy industry is unethical. Stop trying to using your thinking capacity to trick, yes it is good to be smart but donít forget too much living there and you are living in your ego, try to live in your heart. When humanity wakes up to that truth, maybe then animals can be treated with love.

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No, you were tricking me Dirius and are forgetting the point, that animals need our help and you are trying to project blame away from yourself because you already admitted the meat and dairy industry is unethical. Stop trying to using your thinking capacity to trick, yes it is good to be smart but don’t forget too much living there and you are living in your ego, try to live in your heart. When humanity wakes up to that truth, maybe then animals can be treated with love.

How am I tricking you? I just asked your position regarding animal body modification. Which seems you are ok with it, at least in some cases.

Why is your situation ok and not cruelty?

Its called cognitive dissonance, you'll get over it.
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By the way I'm not calling you a "hypocrate". That would imply you were aware of your contradiction, which doesn't appear to be the case. I don't think bad of you for having that position, just trying to show you it may not be in acordance with other positions you may held, in regards to animal treatment.
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I donít have all the answers though but at least I am willing to take action so they align with my morals which is what you should do. I am aware of my dark and light sides. I would kill if I saw someone be cruel to an animal. How is that for cognitive dissonance.
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I suppose in your view being dead is a better outcome for a person, than growing up without parents.

So you are essentially saying you are willing sacrifice the child's life, for the teen's sake, because you feel sorry for her. And you see that as "moral". It seems that because the child can't be seen or heard, he doesn't really get say in that decision doesn't he?



If according to your logic those starving children should have been aborted, why not allow parents to kill off their children after they are born? After all they are still unwanted, still can't fend for themselves, and still live in dire conditions.

Whats the diference in your view?

I'm sorry aquarius, but your arguments are a bit too cliche. They've been around since nazi germany.
How about focusing on resolving the issue rather than misconstruing and twisting the words around to boost one's own ego.

Also, what you keep saying as "also in your view" has nothing to do with my as far as the sense of it goes, but more to do with how you like to play around with words and twist them around to come back with more ammunition. Be as it may, that psychology won't get me to say what you want to hear.

Nonetheless, to respond to this bit:

If according to your logic those starving children should have been aborted, why not allow parents to kill off their children after they are born? After all they are still unwanted, still can't fend for themselves, and still live in dire conditions.

To put it in a straight shot manner, which I actually did already, if two adults had behaved maturely, not had unprotected sex, there would have been less un-cared for, starving children in the streets.
If rape victims were not forced to continue with their pregnancy, there would have be less un-cared for, starving children in the streets

IF adult couples- hat have the means to support half a dozen children, instead chose to still not be pregnant and adopt instead, or if the urge to continue their hereditary lineage and experience pregnancy is so great, then have a child of their own and adopt at least one street child - again less un-cared for, starving children in the streets!!!

I see not point in bringing more children into this world - when we cannot care for the ones that already exist. Full stop.

There are soooo many children out there that have no one to look after them, don't get one warm meal a day sometimes, roam around naked, sleep like that in the cold streets... and here we are discussing why rape victims should bear more children- can it get any more pathetic. Families that live under the poverty line (but went ahead with their pregnancy- perhaps in less developed societies and who did not know better) and have multiple children, yes, some would rather give up a child and let them have a better life. We have adopted such a child in my family!!

Good luck to you to be able to apply more logic and compassion in this matter.
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By the way I'm not calling you a "hypocrate". That would imply you were aware of your contradiction, which doesn't appear to be the case. I don't think bad of you for having that position, just trying to show you it may not be in acordance with other positions you may held, in regards to animal treatment.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."-{Matthew 7:12}

Sounds like good advice. Whether that applies to other species would depend upon whether or not one considers them as "fellow creatures".
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Re: What are you learning from COVID?

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The story of Jesus multiplying fish and bread, not to mention the Passover lamb, argues against vegetarianism too. In a vision to the apostle Peter, Jesus declared all foods to be clean, including animals (Acts 10:10-15).Was Jesus a Vegetarian? | Did Jesus Eat Meat? - Beliefnet


http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/chri...egetarian.aspx


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Matthew 15:11 11What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them."
Matthew 15:17-18 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of a person's mouth come from the heart, and these defile them.
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How about focusing on resolving the issue rather than misconstruing and twisting the words around to boost one's own ego.

Also, what you keep saying as "also in your view" has nothing to do with my as far as the sense of it goes, but more to do with how you like to play around with words and twist them around to come back with more ammunition. Be as it may, that psychology won't get me to say what you want to hear.

Nonetheless, to respond to this bit:

If according to your logic those starving children should have been aborted, why not allow parents to kill off their children after they are born? After all they are still unwanted, still can't fend for themselves, and still live in dire conditions.

To put it in a straight shot manner, which I actually did already, if two adults had behaved maturely, not had unprotected sex, there would have been less un-cared for, starving children in the streets.
If rape victims were not forced to continue with their pregnancy, there would have be less un-cared for, starving children in the streets

IF adult couples- hat have the means to support half a dozen children, instead chose to still not be pregnant and adopt instead, or if the urge to continue their hereditary lineage and experience pregnancy is so great, then have a child of their own and adopt at least one street child - again less un-cared for, starving children in the streets!!!

I see not point in bringing more children into this world - when we cannot care for the ones that already exist. Full stop.

There are soooo many children out there that have no one to look after them, don't get one warm meal a day sometimes, roam around naked, sleep like that in the cold streets... and here we are discussing why rape victims should bear more children- can it get any more pathetic. Families that live under the poverty line (but went ahead with their pregnancy- perhaps in less developed societies and who did not know better) and have multiple children, yes, some would rather give up a child and let them have a better life. We have adopted such a child in my family!!

Good luck to you to be able to apply more logic and compassion in this matter.
You are not really answering my points, you just deflect them by blabing a compassionate argument that has no substance, which is the reason why I need to ask if my interpretation of your words is correct. Truth is in your view, those children shouldn't be alive, and would have been better for everyone if they had been aborted. That what you've said.

But then you talk abou how it is cruel to eat animal meat ...

- So in your view it is ok to abort children, for the convenience of the mother

- But it is not ok to kill animals for consumption, for the convenience of people.

Seriously mate, what is wrong with you?
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I donít have all the answers though but at least I am willing to take action so they align with my morals which is what you should do. I am aware of my dark and light sides. I would kill if I saw someone be cruel to an animal. How is that for cognitive dissonance.
But your morals are very changable then. You don't mind and act of violence against an animal (removing reproductive organs) if you believe it is for the greater good.

But some farmer can't take a cow's milk to feed people.

Why is your objective good and justifiable, but his isn't?
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Industrialized Humans are no longer participants in the Balance of Nature. in fact, as a species using advanced technology, we're throwing it out of balance. Since we, ourselves, are creatures of Nature, it was bound to correct us sooner or later.
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You are not really listening. All your questions have been answered in detail. Case closed.
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You are not really answering my points, you just deflect them by blabing a compassionate argument that has no substance, which is the reason why I need to ask if my interpretation of your words is correct. Truth is in your view, those children shouldn't be alive, and would have been better for everyone if they had been aborted. That what you've said.

But then you talk abou how it is cruel to eat animal meat ...

- So in your view it is ok to abort children, for the convenience of the mother

- But it is not ok to kill animals for consumption, for the convenience of people.

Seriously mate, what is wrong with you?
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Industrialized Humans are no longer participants in the Balance of Nature. in fact, as a species using advanced technology, we're throwing it out of balance. Since we, ourselves, are creatures of Nature, it was bound to correct us sooner or later.
It seems at times we humans might use that knowingness as an excuse to continue as we are... do what we please fully cognizant of all the chaos and destruction we cause because we know that there is an auto correct mode, and it is too much of an effort to practise self-restraint...
Also, we seem to think that nothing will happen to us personally. It always happens to other countries and people, until a Covid explosion happens on us.
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But your morals are very changable then. You don't mind and act of violence against an animal (removing reproductive organs) if you believe it is for the greater good.

But some farmer can't take a cow's milk to feed people.

Why is your objective good and justifiable, but his isn't?
I was trying to think of a solution to stopping the breeding of pets. It was just a possible solution. And you are tricking me by suggesting that means I would agree to it.

Instead of debating into twilight, why donít you make changes that align more with your morals around the animal industry?
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Poorly regulated Capitalism promotes the pursuit of maximum, $$$monetary profit, despite all other considerations--the Natural world is plundered and defiled with no thought as to the disastrous consequences.

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Capitalism promotes the pursuit of maximum, $$$monetary profit, despite all other considerations--the Natural world is plundered and defiled with no thought as to the disastrous consequences.
But the ironical quandry is that we are the only thinking beings blessed with the intelligence to distinguish between right and wrong, constructive and destructive, beneficial and harmful. Yet we let ourselves be overcome by greed, complacency and indifference. This means we choose to do what we do and that is what I am saying- perhaps because somewhere at the back of our minds we know that there is an auto-correct/ reset mode Nature has, so why bother. And, then, when a covid happens, we do not want to accept the blame, so we look for countries, parties, individuals to blame. How pitiful and pathetic is that
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You are not really listening. All your questions have been answered in detail. Case closed.
No you haven't.

You invoked a compassionate argument about the teen's dire condition, and used it to justify why she should be granted an abortion.

But you've never answered why the fetus should die for the sake of the teen, nor explained the morality of doing so. You just implied this would be your preference.
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I was trying to think of a solution to stopping the breeding of pets. It was just a possible solution. And you are tricking me by suggesting that means I would agree to it.

Instead of debating into twilight, why donít you make changes that align more with your morals around the animal industry?
I do, that is why I purchase products from cruelty-free industries when available. That aligns exactly with my morals.

I don't mind killing animals for sustainment and consumming meat.

That doesn't mean I would agree with keeping an animal in a small cage for most of his life.
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Yet we let ourselves be overcome by greed, complacency and indifference.
You know this statement actually describes entirely your position on abortion.

Indifference towards the fetus life.
Complacency thinking you are doing what in your view is the right thing to do.
Greed because you only think about one of the people involved, the one you care about.

Yeah it sure is ironic coming from you
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You know this statement actually describes entirely your position on abortion.

Indifference towards the fetus life.
Complacency thinking you are doing what in your view is the right thing to do.
Greed because you only think about one of the people involved, the one you care about.

Yeah it sure is ironic coming from you
Please let it go Dirius. This is one of those have to "Agree to Disagree" situations, which can't be resolved by arguing.
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The Libertarian Party has adopted an Agree to Disagree policy regarding abortion.
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Please let it go Dirius. This is one of those have to "Agree to Disagree" situations, which can't be resolved by arguing.
Nah david pro-abortion veganism just makes no sense at all. There is no agree to disagree, the position Aquarius holds is a contradiction.
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Nah david pro-abortion veganism just makes no sense at all. There is no agree to disagree, the position Aquarius holds is a contradiction.
What about pre-embryonic birth-prevention? You're against that, right? How does that conflict with veganism?

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"Honey, we are going to have a fetus!"
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The story of Jesus multiplying fish and bread, not to mention the Passover lamb, argues against vegetarianism too. In a vision to the apostle Peter, Jesus declared all foods to be clean, including animals (Acts 10:10-15).Was Jesus a Vegetarian? | Did Jesus Eat Meat? - Beliefnet


www.beliefnet.com/faiths/christianity/was-jesus-a-vegetarian.aspx


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Matthew 15:11 11What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them."
Matthew 15:17-18 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of a person's mouth come from the heart, and these defile them.
The story of The Wedding, is very interesting. Jesus was the host of the wedding. In that time of history, the host of the wedding, was the groom.

He turned water into wine, and multiplied fish and bread to supply enough for all that were there.

When you grow rye, there is a fungus that grows on it. It is called ergot.

When ergot is ground up, into the rye flour, it is very deadly. The death is slow, and appears like the bubonic plague, many of the cases of bubonic plague were actually ergot poisoning. Still today there is deaths attributed to it.

When ergot is cast into water, it is a different story. It turns water into wine. It distributes LSD evenly throughout the water.

Any experienced people out there, understand that LSD makes the thought of eating fish, too fishy, and bread, is feels like coarse little rocks in your mouth.

I believe Jesus was experienced. Trained in the rituals of alchemy and drug usage.

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Please let it go Dirius. This is one of those have to "Agree to Disagree" situations, which can't be resolved by arguing.
Thanks for trying David, but, it is nice to know of people. It can't be resolved, when others think they have the right to choose for others. Our world is so overpopulated, it is so sad that some are interested, in causing more unwanted, unneeded people on earth.

But, as I see it

You can't fix stupid.
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