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Re: How important is mythology in the meaning of planets and signs?

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Without having to reduce Astrological predictions to workmanlike manner job, you must first understand that mythology doesn't deal with human world. Astrology does. There has always been clear distinction between the world of Gods and World of humans.

You cannot predict the Gods life and their fortunes. Astrology is about to predict human life in human world.
Well, I'm more interested in description than prediction, but that's a personal preference. But as for mythology, it's a description of the forces that drive, influence or possibly absolutely determine human experience. It's a description in story form, and because people are hard-wired for stories, it's a particularly effective way to represent those energies. Yes, these energies are divine and not human, but they are absolutely part of human experience, so to say that mythology doesn't deal with the human world is less than useful, possibly flatly inaccurate. But let's go along with your idea for a moment - let's say, for the time being, that gods are gods and people are people and that mythology pertains to the former, not the latter. Let's turn now to astrology with its planets and signs and its description of forces that drive, influence or possibly absolutely determine human experience. How is the astrological description any different from the mythological one? Astrology describes forces that drive, influence or absolutely determine human personality, behaviour and experience. Both astrology and mythology are attempts to describe the same thing, both are pertinent to human experience.

The distinction between the world of gods and the world of humans does not invalidate the vital connection between those worlds, nor does it invalidate mythology as an attempt (a particularly useful one in my view, but your opinion may differ) to provide humanity with a description of the divine the better to relate to it. As does astrology. As does depth psychology. They're all talking about the same thing, in different ways.

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Re: How important is mythology in the meaning of planets and signs?

Let's not confuse. Psychology is not upcoming individual's deaths, jobs and inheritance or marriage or bodily illness in human world. Psychology is inside human mind. Mythology is product of imagination.

Astrological prediction is a craft itself. OK, some folks rely on mythology or their psyche in predicting future. So do the Tarot readers, and some new age magicians. It is not unique to Astrological predictions or essential to it. You can't say that they truly belong to the core of the traditional Astrology.
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Originally Posted by Opal
Alexander Eliot wrote The Global Myths.
While he is not an astrologer,
reading on the Global myths you can see an obvious correlation between myth
and the astrological interpretation of entities.
While the traditionalists say there is no correlation, they did not get there information
from past word of mouth or writings, I am inclined to disagree.
The coincidences are too many for it to be chance.
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Originally Posted by Opal When an entity is refound, or renamed, we go to the name of it, and
if it is found in past writings, that is where we start
to draw our knowledge from.

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When looking at the fixed stars
the myth is used to explain the affects it gifts to astrological meaning.
They seem to work together.
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Do traditionalist astrologers
only use ancient history books
written by astrologers?
If a traditionalist is limited to only books written by astrologers it must be very hard to read history.
Thanks for pointing out what Osamenor wrote.
I would not have missed it if even without your reiteration.
Opal
Fact is
historians use natal charts from THE ANTHOLOGY by Vettius Valens
as a reliable method
of determining numerous dates of events
that until the work was translated
those historians were uncertain of

FURTHERMORE

traditional astrology is completely independent of modernist astrology

in contrast
modernist astrology is entirely dependent on the solid foundation of traditional astrology

for example
the modernist SOLAR RETURN
is simply
the ancient traditional SOLAR REVOLUTION
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Let's not confuse. Psychology is not upcoming individual's deaths, jobs and inheritance or marriage or bodily illness in human world. Psychology is inside human mind. Mythology is product of imagination.
Well, you and I are on very different pages. For example, you see no connection between psychology and future events, but for me there is an intimate connection between psychology (the configuration of one's conscious and unconscious mind) and what unfolds in one's life in terms of health, work, relationship and so on. Is traditional astrology merely prognostication? If so, then it's not very useful, because it panders to a rather shallow dimension of the human mind.
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Well, you and I are on very different pages. For example, you see no connection between psychology and future events, but for me there is an intimate connection between psychology (the configuration of one's conscious and unconscious mind) and what unfolds in one's life in terms of health, work, relationship and so on. Is traditional astrology merely prognostication? If so, then it's not very useful, because it panders to a rather shallow dimension of the human mind.

"...merely prognostication..." Siriusly dismissive of core astrological methodology
i.e.
MUNDANE ASTROLOGICAL PROGNOSTICATION

for solely psychological assessment, visit a psychologist
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Well, you and I are on very different pages. For example, you see no connection between psychology and future events, but for me there is an intimate connection between psychology (the configuration of one's conscious and unconscious mind) and what unfolds in one's life in terms of health, work, relationship and so on. Is traditional astrology merely prognostication? If so, then it's not very useful, because it panders to a rather shallow dimension of the human mind.
That sounds like description of motivational mentoring, rather than anything to do with traditional astrological prediction.
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