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Critical degrees- 29 degree planets

Exactly what does it mean to have planets in those degrees. I've researched a little bit, and it said something about an urge of the planet to embody the sign BEFORE it proceeds to the next sign. But how does it apply to the chart holder?

The reason why I'm curious is because I have two planets in that degree. Neptune and Saturn. Neptune is in 1st house Capricorn and Saturn is in Aries in the 4th house. Plus they're both part of my T-squares.

But yeah, I just wanted to know the general effect of having planets in that degree. If you guys have some experiences and insights, please do share even just a little.
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Exactly what does it mean to have planets in those degrees. I've researched a little bit, and it said something about an urge of the planet to embody the sign BEFORE it proceeds to the next sign. But how does it apply to the chart holder?

The reason why I'm curious is because I have two planets in that degree. Neptune and Saturn. Neptune is in 1st house Capricorn and Saturn is in Aries in the 4th house. Plus they're both part of my T-squares.

But yeah, I just wanted to know the general effect of having planets in that degree. If you guys have some experiences and insights, please do share even just a little.
I think they don't affect the energy at all, instead you should only consider what fixed stars are conjunct
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Re: Critical degrees- 29 degree planets

Hello UraSatVen,

critical degrees mean high success often. If you can show me your chart, I will tell you more.

Thank you.

Saturn often means real-estate or government or sometimes music. )

Music means business sometimes. )

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I am here to help and guide you.

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Re: Critical degrees- 29 degree planets

Critical degrees mean that planets (or chart or house cusps or Lots) in those degrees might have a special emphasis in the chart, and should be studied in particular in the given chart, to see if in fact that chart factor should be accorded special emphasis in the chart delineation.

Example> Trumps natal ascending degree is in 29 (actually 29:58) degrees of Leo.
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http://imgur.com/a/TFxpQ Would it be okay to see if there is this "emphasis" in my chart?

Hmm, high success? I don't know much successful people having that degrees. Although usually in celebrities, especially the extra famous ones, I see an Aries point in their chart. I consider that high success as well.

And what do you mean by special emphasis? Would this mean that if a planet has that emphasis, it would also affect the chart holder as a whole as well?
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http://imgur.com/a/TFxpQ special emphasis? Would this mean that if a planet has that emphasis, it would also affect the chart holder as a whole as well?
Yes, that is my meaning.
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Re: Critical degrees- 29 degree planets

Neptune has a special emphasis, its energies being both in the 1st and 2nd whole sign houses of the chart; Neptune is conjunct a star in the constellation of Aquila, the Eagle, and suggests strong intuitive (even clairvoyant) potentials, keen and penetrating mind, and the possibility for advancement in the area of chemical (or alchemical) research-note that Neptune AND the constellation of Aquila, possess these qualities.

Saturn's energies are both in the 4th and 5th whole sign houses: Saturn is conjunct the star Mirach; on the positive side we find potential for excellent mechanical abilities; we also find here a warning to beware of potentials for misdirected talents and abilities, and to beware of strong passions (since this energy sweeps into the 5th house, this is a warning against too passionate romantic relations, and also against speculations that might be carried away by too great "passion" for quick gains-a warning here also against reckless speculation, or excessive gambling, etc)
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Neptune has a special emphasis, its energies being both in the 1st and 2nd whole sign houses of the chart; Neptune is conjunct a star in the constellation of Aquila, the Eagle, and suggests strong intuitive (even clairvoyant) potentials, keen and penetrating mind, and the possibility for advancement in the area of chemical (or alchemical) research-note that Neptune AND the constellation of Aquila, possess these qualities.

Saturn's energies are both in the 4th and 5th whole sign houses: Saturn is conjunct the star Mirach; on the positive side we find potential for excellent mechanical abilities; we also find here a warning to beware of potentials for misdirected talents and abilities, and to beware of strong passions (since this energy sweeps into the 5th house, this is a warning against too passionate romantic relations, and also against speculations that might be carried away by too great "passion" for quick gains-a warning here also against reckless speculation, or excessive gambling, etc)
Oh.. thank you so much! Does Saturn have special emphasis as well or is it just Neptune?

Do these planets generally have a bad effect on the chart holder?
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Re: Critical degrees- 29 degree planets

I think that Saturn is also emphasized.
Neptune here has a net + influence over the chart; Saturn a more mixed general influence.
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Re: Critical degrees- 29 degree planets

Can we talk about Aries point? I have planets at 29 degrees, too.


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http://imgur.com/a/TFxpQ Would it be okay to see if there is this "emphasis" in my chart?

Hmm, high success? I don't know much successful people having that degrees. Although usually in celebrities, especially the extra famous ones, I see an Aries point in their chart. I consider that high success as well.

And what do you mean by special emphasis? Would this mean that if a planet has that emphasis, it would also affect the chart holder as a whole as well?
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Re: Critical degrees- 29 degree planets

I have my Sun at 29 degrees in the 9th house of Libra. Would that count as a critical degree planet? How would that manifest?
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Re: Critical degrees- 29 degree planets

So uhhhh...

I'm gonna assume these natal planets I have in anaretic degree are not all that special then, even if it has some "special emphasis". :>

Lucky for those who have it in the signs of Cancer, Leo, Capricorn etc etc. Lol I didnt even know Trump has that leo ascendant in an anaretic degree.
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Re: Critical degrees- 29 degree planets

Special/important = they are interchangeable in this context.

Natives with 29deg planets, will have that planet play a "special/important" role in the life. What ends up happening, is by progression/transit when all the planets are where they need to be, an event will unfold related to anaretic degree planet/point. Thats when fated events occur. The planets will always be important for the native, but there is usually an event that is waiting to occur there, from what I've seen. That could be said with predictive astrology in general. But its the critical degree planet who takes the main stage, so to speak, and is therefore "special".


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I'm gonna assume these natal planets I have in anaretic degree are not all that special then, even if it has some "special emphasis". :>
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Re: Critical degrees- 29 degree planets

I have always heard that 29 Cancer was a very unlucky point.
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I have always heard that 29 Cancer was a very unlucky point.
How so? Elaborate please.
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What about a man having Venus at 29.x degrees in Leo? What would that mean about his relationships with women irrespective of house position? It's not his first house.
He would not only want to be admired, but also depended on. Since it's at the anaretic degree transitioning into Virgo.
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He would not only want to be admired, but also depended on. Since it's at the anaretic degree transitioning into Virgo.
Sooo this transition thing will cause the energy of the planet to be expressed in two ways? The energy of its original sign and the sign that comes after it?
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Re: Critical degrees- 29 degree planets

Well, it depends which programe you are using and which ayanamasa this program is using.All programes/softwares in the world use different school of astroly.So in one program if venus is at 29 deg in leo then in another program it might be showing in virgo at different degree.Hence,first one has to claim for accurate ayanamsa( difference between tropical and sidereal zodiacs) for the precission.Most accurate is 24 Feb 366AD when this touches zero value.Now as on today,its 23 deg albeit.

So better do not fall upon such things.In general,if Venus is in cancer,a person might love to enjoyworldly pleasure where as if venus is in leo,it is call "spoiled" venus or qualities of venus are spoiled.

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Sooo this transition thing will cause the energy of the planet to be expressed in two ways? The energy of its original sign and the sign that comes after it?
Pretty much.
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Sooo this transition thing will cause the energy of the planet to be expressed in two ways? The energy of its original sign and the sign that comes after it?
That's a misconception. The signs next to eachother don't blend into each other. For instance 0 degrees of any sign is considered the strongest embodiment of that sign. It doesn't have elements of the previous sign or vice-versa. 29 Pisces is nothing like 0 Aries, they are as different as you could imagine. Signs next to each other are inconjunct eachother, i.e. they have little to nothing astrologically in common, like a quincunx.

Signs of the same element sort of blend into eachother with decans. For instance, 0-10 degrees of Aries is the Aries decan of Aries, 10-20 is the Leo decan of Aries and 20-30 the Sagittarius decan. You'll often notice people of different signs but the same element sometimes looking like eachother, I believe this is a manifestation of the decans.
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That's a misconception. The signs next to eachother don't blend into each other. For instance 0 degrees of any sign is considered the strongest embodiment of that sign. It doesn't have elements of the previous sign or vice-versa. 29 Pisces is nothing like 0 Aries, they are as different as you could imagine. Signs next to each other are inconjunct eachother, i.e. they have little to nothing astrologically in common, like a quincunx.

Signs of the same element sort of blend into eachother with decans. For instance, 0-10 degrees of Aries is the Aries decan of Aries, 10-20 is the Leo decan of Aries and 20-30 the Sagittarius decan. You'll often notice people of different signs but the same element sometimes looking like eachother, I believe this is a manifestation of the decans.
So, what you are saying is that the second face of Aries is more like Leo? 3rd face is more like Sagittarius? Do you think that a 2nd decan Aries can be mistaken for a Leo?
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So, what you are saying is that the second face of Aries is more like Leo? 3rd face is more like Sagittarius? Do you think that a 2nd decan Aries can be mistaken for a Leo?
I've noticed signs have a few signature facial types but often signs of the same element can be mistaken for eachother.

Just a few examples off the top of my head:
- Roger Federer is a Leo with a typical Leo facial type.
- Quentin Tarantino is an Aries with a cartoonish version of this Leo facial type
- Daniel Radcliff Leo with the Leo facial type
- Joquin Phoenix Moon in Aries with Leo facial type

Billie Piper (Moon Sagittarius) and Leona Lewis (Sun Aries) share a long faced, large mouthed (almost horse-like) facial sub-type I've seen in lots of Sagittarius.

I see this a lot with people I know and new people I meet of different signs of the same element. I'd have to do more research to see if this is to do with the decans, but that's my hypothesis for now since that's how the signs are said to blend into eachother in the same element.

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That's a misconception. The signs next to eachother don't blend into each other. For instance 0 degrees of any sign is considered the strongest embodiment of that sign. It doesn't have elements of the previous sign or vice-versa. 29 Pisces is nothing like 0 Aries, they are as different as you could imagine. Signs next to each other are inconjunct eachother, i.e. they have little to nothing astrologically in common, like a quincunx.

Signs of the same element sort of blend into eachother with decans. For instance, 0-10 degrees of Aries is the Aries decan of Aries, 10-20 is the Leo decan of Aries and 20-30 the Sagittarius decan. You'll often notice people of different signs but the same element sometimes looking like eachother, I believe this is a manifestation of the decans.
My bad, the anaretic degree is the culmination and the sudden release degree. Had to do more research.
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Re: Critical degrees- 29 degree planets

I also have planets at 29 degrees, and they are, to my knowledge considered "critical degrees." They also carry a lot of weight and karmic baggage and generally signify that you are loaded with the past life energies of the house and planet. As one astrologer put it to me, think of 29 degrees as being like, "My bags are all packed, I'm ready to go, but I still can't quite leave the house...but I NEED to leave, like now..."


I'm not sure if this indicates a certain feeling of tiredness and frustration associated with the degree marker...I've probably felt that way when considering my own 29 degree placements, but there is also a certain inherited wisdom there--I absolutely believe that. In my experience people with 29 degree markers tend to come into this life with a bizarre, sometimes often even inexplainable and innate understanding of certain things. So I have 29 degrees in Jupiter on my IC and have always been fascinated with religion and philosophy from a young, young age (though am not religious in this lifetime). I've even had many dreams where I was a missionary in a foreign country (bizarre past life experiences there). I have Pluto at 29 degrees conjunct my ascendant at zero degrees, and I have, from a very early age, been fascinated with issues of death and rebirth, occult, supernatural experiences, as well as other "hidden" things. I'm also told--so says my mom!--that from a very early age I was an intense little creature with an often probing stare. LOL!

At any rate, I would look to your chart and see where your 29 degree markers are, then ask yourself how you feel about those planetary energies and house energies and look at your life experience related to those themes brought up in both. How have these energies affected you thus far? Because surely they have.

Also useful if you care to look into it, is studying Sabian Symbols as point markers.

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Re: Critical degrees- 29 degree planets

I'm not sure these degree markers are "nothing like" each other, as the wheel is cyclical. Like the Fool and the World in tarot, these markers herald the cyclical nature of lifetimes. The late markers and beginning markers represent the beginning and end and blending of energies and worlds, whether those worlds and knowledge are accessible (to the rational, knowing, "grounded-in-this-lifetime") mind or not. Also, Pisces carries with it the embodiment of ALL the signs before it, or at least aspects of them. That's what makes Pisces universal in its concerns...it's already learned the spiritual lessons of the signs before it--a journey beginning with Aries--and it brings that energy full circle, back to the next beginning.


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That's a misconception. The signs next to eachother don't blend into each other. For instance 0 degrees of any sign is considered the strongest embodiment of that sign. It doesn't have elements of the previous sign or vice-versa. 29 Pisces is nothing like 0 Aries, they are as different as you could imagine. Signs next to each other are inconjunct eachother, i.e. they have little to nothing astrologically in common, like a quincunx.

Signs of the same element sort of blend into eachother with decans. For instance, 0-10 degrees of Aries is the Aries decan of Aries, 10-20 is the Leo decan of Aries and 20-30 the Sagittarius decan. You'll often notice people of different signs but the same element sometimes looking like eachother, I believe this is a manifestation of the decans.
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