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Beauty and attractiveness

And we could discuss about this by giving example of people we know or just our self.

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I opened this topic, because I saw other topics about beauty and this is also an subject I wanted to ask and talk about in the astrological way. As you can see in my chart, I have not much going on with Venus and her connections. When I look at the charts of celebrities or my friends, I see for sure many aspects which give ''beauty'' and ''attractiveness'', also I know that everyone has another taste and different thoughts about what they found beautiful or attractive. I do not want to sound arrogant, but in my opinion, everyone has to find herself beautiful and accept herself as she is and make something of it. I know I'm not the most beautiful person, but I do feel and find myself beautiful. I'm aware of what I have and not have. Still, if I look at it in a astrological way (chart), I can't find the aspects what gives beauty and attractiveness. Only that my Leo Venus 12th house opposites my Aquarius Moon in the 6th house. I'd would be happy if you'll could see some things I don't.

And we could discuss about this by giving example of people we know or just our self.
Beauty is, unfortunately, celebrated in a supposedly a progressive society. Beauty gets you places because it people automatically like beautiful people more. However, if someone is not attractive physically, then they have to accept it. There is nothing wrong with not being beautiful. At the end of the day, what truly matters is our inner self. Our mind can make anything happen and help us achieve our goals, not our external appearance.
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I do agree with you, but also not. I think that everyone, yes, everyone has a natural attractiveness in some way going on. Not many people would be attracted to a person who does not fit in the beauty rules nowadays, but some would definitely be attracted to them. Confidence makes a person very attractive for sure, even if you don't have it all. I believe that the way you stand, how you look with your eyes, how you move and do things could make so much difference.
If anyone has a natural attractiveness then do you mean that even people that look like monsters are attractive? If not, then not everyone has natural attractiveness. If they actually do, then they're not physically attractive, their inner selves are attractive. The thing is that you can't expect the approval of others in your life. Waiting for others to accept you for what you are or, especially, for what you look like, is the worst.

Trying to look your best because you want others to like you is terrible because you will never ever be accepted wholly by everyone. Life is not about waiting for others to do things for you or being happy because of others, it's about being happy by yourself and doing things yourself.

Trusting others and thinking about other people's opinions is stupid and a waste of time, if you do so then you will undoubtedly be unhappy. I am not saying that you should not trust anyone or try to be accepted by looking better- what I believe is that if you try to look more attractive physically, then it should be because you think you deserve to look better or because you know it might increase the chances of landing a job (because it actually does affect other's opinion of you). Trusting others is also useless because you never know if people are going to betray you. So if trusting others fulfills you and makes you happy, just make sure to not expect anything from others. If you love or trust someone you should never expect them to trust you back or anything. This is the sad part of reality. The world is way too cruel and unfair for it to be a place for love or of acceptance. Thinking the world is full of happiness is foolish. Love really is a beautiful thing when it's unconditional and it is worth to fight for a world that is full of it, even though it will never happen. Unconditional love doesn't care about appearance. Infatuation and sexual desire does.

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Exactly! I believe that everyone has an attractiveness. It could be on the outside, but also in the inside. Inside attractiveness makes your outside also attractive, because your mind is your power, your confidence is your power, your sweetness or beautiful character is your power and beauty. Everyone has something what makes them special as an human being, beauty which everyone has in another special way.
It is true, because people are naturally drawn to psychologically sane people. Someone who is beautiful but crazy will eventually be isolated from society. However, this does not mean that you should use your inner self to become attractive to others. It's not about using confidence to compensate. If you try to become confident with that mindset you will never be confident.
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It's not about using that to attract others, but using it for yourself. Just making the best version of yourself, by yourself.
I agree. Venus opp pluto is a tough aspect
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People try to pull out aspects, but in the end, it's all subjective. General agreement seems to be Venus, Mars, and Pluto playing with each other, but even that isn't a hard rule. If most of us went blindly picking out charts and guessing who'd be attractive, we'd probably be wrong. I do think attractiveness encompasses many things. Some people emit an intensity, but intensity can be striking or it can push others away. Some people emit a purity of love and joy. Some people are physically attractive but emotionally bland. Some people are well groomed and others have a natural beauty to them. Some people have a sexuality about them but not beauty. Some people are just damned adorable. We all have different tastes too and there's just so many variables
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I think we all do have to love ourselves, though. I'm very critical of myself. I judge myself by others' standards but I'm not even fully aware what others' standards are. That's unhealthy, but of course that's something I'm trying to fix
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I think we all do have to love ourselves, though. I'm very critical of myself. I judge myself by others' standards but I'm not even fully aware what others' standards are. That's unhealthy, but of course that's something I'm trying to fix
I already stopped doing that. It's very unhealthy because caring about other's standards will sentence you to a life-long unhappiness or lack of satisfaction. I think your standards are seen through the 9th house, and what you think of other's opinion is seen through the Sun. I myself have the Sun in the 9th house so I believe it has conditioned myself to reflect upon what truly is valuable.

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I already stopped doing that. It's very unhealthy because caring about other's standards will sentence you to a life-long unhappiness or lack of satisfaction. I think your standards are seen through the 9th house, and what you think of other's opinion is seen through the Sun. I myself have the Sun in the 9th house so I believe it has conditioned myself to reflect upon what truly is valuable.
It's really interesting you say that given that my 9th house ruler opposes my Sun and this has been a lifelong issue of mine. I don't see it as irredeemable tho. It's something I'm aware of and working on. I think there's many aspects in my chart that can lead to insecurity. I also have mars square Venus and Venus square my AC. Virgo can be very self critical and that's where my Mars and Moon sit

Edit. They don't oppose. They actually sextile lol, my Sun and 9th house ruler

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It's really interesting you say that given that my 9th house ruler opposes my Sun and this has been a lifelong issue of mine. I don't see it as irredeemable tho. It's something I'm aware of and working on. I think there's many aspects in my chart that can lead to insecurity. I also have mars square Venus and Venus square my AC. Virgo can be very self critical and that's where my Mars and Moon sit

Edit. They don't oppose. They actually sextile lol, my Sun and 9th house ruler
Well, from personal experience I can say that you should look at the sign of each planet. They sextile, which pretty much doesn't describe anything. What house is your Sun in?

Most people have this issue. Heck, most adults have this problem. Celebrities nowadays especially struggle with caring about other people's opinion. So, to see if self-esteem is to be developed at all you should check the condition of the Sun, 9th house and possibly 1st house. Also, check the dispositors of each one. It has come to my attention in past occurrences that the dispositor enhances or debilitates the strength of the planets it rules. The stronger the Sun is, as well as its dispositor and the ruler of the 1st and 9th, the earlier one will come to to terms with self-esteem, ego, will, etc.
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Well, from personal experience I can say that you should look at the sign of each planet. They sextile, which pretty much doesn't describe anything. What house is your Sun in?

Most people have this issue. Heck, most adults have this problem. Celebrities nowadays especially struggle with caring about other people's opinion. So, to see if self-esteem is to be developed at all you should check the condition of the Sun, 9th house and possibly 1st house. Also, check the dispositors of each one. It has come to my attention in past occurrences that the dispositor enhances or debilitates the strength of the planets it rules. The stronger the Sun is, as well as its dispositor and the ruler of the 1st and 9th, the earlier one will come to to terms with self-esteem, ego, will, etc.
I'm not sure if I'm gonna be doing this correctly, so correct me if I'm wrong...
Sun in Cancer in 11th house. Moon is in Virgo in the 1st house conjunct Mars and my AC. Mercury is also in the 11th house. 9th house is in Taurus and my Venus is in the 10th house in Gemini conjunct my MC

Since my Sun's ruler is in the 1st house, it is pretty strong, right?
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I am fascinated by beauty. The best article I have seen was on a thread on this forum and I have also seen the same information from a website. I do not know if they are the same authors but they are the same article. It uses celebrity examples of those who are beautiful and those who are not and in every case where beauty was seen in the person the Venus in the chart was able to flow easily to the surface of the chart and as a result the surface of the person.

Here is the thread (I could not find the website version)

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...angelina+jolie

The easy flow of Venus energy is apparent in every example.

There was a more recent thread on this forum about beauty which argued that Sun trine Pluto gives beauty but I believe this was his subjective opinion and may indicate power and a strong core of personality but does not indicate physical beauty.

The easy flow of Venus equals physical beauty as can be seen from the article.

If I move from physical beauty a little and look at why other people are attractive to others without physical beauty then there are a whole lot of different planets in signs and aspects that makes someone attractive. For example, sun trine Pluto like the article above, Mars in Scorpio, Venus aspecting Mars, Neptune Saturn or Pluto.

There is an article from 'my Christian psychic' which lists other attractive traits. for example, a full 5th house, Mars in Scorpio, a prominent Ceres etc I agree fully after looking for examples from people I know.

http://mychristianpsychic.com/journa...al-placements/

These are examples of what makes someone attractive in general. but again for beauty, then Venus must be allowed to come to the surface.

You can make yourself more attractive by learning what suits you more and what your best angle is. When you are in a good place in your life and you have positive energy then that also make you more attractive but this is not physical beauty.

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Sun trine Pluto gives a big ego,eh?
If we're going by raw aspects, in theory I should be attractive, but I really don't think I am. Though I realize this is a complex subject. I do think attractiveness is not purely physical so it's possible astrology can unlock a little glimpse
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Sun trine Pluto gives a big ego,eh?
If we're going by raw aspects, in theory I should be attractive, but I really don't think I am. Though I realize this is a complex subject. I do think attractiveness is not purely physical so it's possible astrology can unlock a little glimpse
I have Sun trine Pluto myself and like said above

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[...] There was a more recent thread on this forum about beauty which argued that Sun trine Pluto gives beauty but I believe this was his subjective opinion and may indicate power and a strong core of personality but does not indicate physical beauty.

I do not have a particularly beautiful body, although I'm not quote on quote ugly. So I can confirm that Sun trine Pluto doesn't make you physically attractive by itself.
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Sun trine Pluto gives a big ego,eh?
If we're going by raw aspects, in theory I should be attractive, but I really don't think I am. Though I realize this is a complex subject. I do think attractiveness is not purely physical so it's possible astrology can unlock a little glimpse
I do not know if big ego is how I would describe it but inner strength which is visible. They look strong.
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I do not know if big ego is how I would describe it but inner strength which is visible. They look strong.
I don't know if big ego is what Sun trine Pluto is about, since my own chart isn't just Sun trine Pluto and that's it. It depends on other aspects. What I know is that I try to know what true self-esteem is. Not built on irrationality or emotion. Big ego implies that it's just there because it is and that's the end of it. That's not true self-esteem. The day someone with a "big ego" fails at something big time then they're done for.
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I do not know if big ego is how I would describe it but inner strength which is visible. They look strong.
For me, I think the Pluto trine influences alchemetizing and transformation of experiences. I have a strong sense of purpose and drive despite issues I've noted here and part of that may be from that trine. I can see how it may come off as egoic tbh
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This is a great post! I did study those things and when I did take a look back at the article you shared about beauty (link), I saw a reaction from someone who said something like: "Could we post other beautiful people who do not have these venus connections to the ascendant?" Or just the "well known" aspects of beauty. And I find that a good one. If someone here did study a chart like that, share it also in here, please ^^
In my opinion I would be on a fruitless mission to find what you are asking because beauty is linked to Venus. In the article linked there are examples of the aspects Venus makes which can lessen beauty and there also seems to be enough to have libra rising and venus conjunct Sun. It is like the sun brightens the effect.

The article from my Christian psychic shows signs of being attractive and I think there are others for example Pluto in prominent position which was not mentioned. But these are attractive traits and not beauty, beauty belongs to Venus. Pluto and Mars have enough sex appeal to not need Venus to be attractive.

I did find the website version of the article. Looks like they are the same person and this is his blog.

http://mazzarothastrology.blogspot.com/2013/08/how-to-recognize-physical-beauty.html

Here is the Sun trine Pluto thread

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111817

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This is a great post! I did study those things and when I did take a look back at the article you shared about beauty (link), I saw a reaction from someone who said something like: "Could we post other beautiful people who do not have these venus connections to the ascendant?" Or just the "well known" aspects of beauty. And I find that a good one. If someone here did study a chart like that, share it also in here, please ^^
Yes I agree, Venus is linked to insecurity. I feel insecure a lot which is why I am fascinated by beauty and makeup. so the friction causes action for me.
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I get the aims of your thread. Most people are just looking for gratification in their chart but this thread had so much importance... AC, MC, Mars, and Venus aspexts in particular have a potential so say a lot about insecurity, not just potential attraction
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I opened this topic, because I saw other topics about beauty and this is also an subject I wanted to ask and talk about in the astrological way. As you can see in my chart, I have not much going on with Venus and her connections. When I look at the charts of celebrities or my friends, I see for sure many aspects which give ''beauty'' and ''attractiveness'', also I know that everyone has another taste and different thoughts about what they found beautiful or attractive. I do not want to sound arrogant, but in my opinion, everyone has to find herself beautiful and accept herself as she is and make something of it. I know I'm not the most beautiful person, but I do feel and find myself beautiful. I'm aware of what I have and not have. Still, if I look at it in a astrological way (chart), I can't find the aspects what gives beauty and attractiveness. Only that my Leo Venus 12th house opposites my Aquarius Moon in the 6th house. I'd would be happy if you'll could see some things I don't. And if you not see things, just say it openly. It would not change the way I think about myself


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I opened this topic, because I saw other topics about beauty and this is also an subject I wanted to ask and talk about in the astrological way. As you can see in my chart, I have not much going on with Venus and her connections. When I look at the charts of celebrities or my friends, I see for sure many aspects which give ''beauty'' and ''attractiveness'', also I know that everyone has another taste and different thoughts about what they found beautiful or attractive. I do not want to sound arrogant, but in my opinion, everyone has to find herself beautiful and accept herself as she is and make something of it. I know I'm not the most beautiful person, but I do feel and find myself beautiful. I'm aware of what I have and not have. Still, if I look at it in a astrological way (chart), I can't find the aspects what gives beauty and attractiveness. Only that my Leo Venus 12th house opposites my Aquarius Moon in the 6th house. I'd would be happy if you'll could see some things I don't. And if you not see things, just say it openly. It would not change the way I think about myself

And we could discuss about this by giving example of people we know or just our self.

There are so many different forums for this. Looks like people really like this topic. So let me add my $0.02 into this. In my opinion, beauty is subjective but I think general archetypes are universally more attractive than others and has always been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dafa...k&pbjreload=10

I think this is a good video.

Generally attractiveness has to do with 4-5 signs in my opinion: libra, scorpio, aries, taurus, and last but not least pisces.

And like that, the planets/bodies denoting attractiveness are venus, neptune, pluto, mars, and BML and this woman adds rahu/northnode.

If someone has more than two to three in luminaries, and in aspect to these planets, they are generally attractive even if they are not beautiful/hot.

For general beauty, I'd say venus in aspect to sun, or ascendent, and perhaps moon if someone's born at night. Mars in aspect also helps a lot. For example, a woman that's very beautiful may have venus conjunct mars on her ascendent.

Models however and I've checked a lot, has sun conjunct mercury as well as sun conjunct venus and why is that? Because mercury gives a thin body structure.

But again, not everyone likes a very very thin woman but nobody would deny a VHS model either.

Neptune, and Pluto gives general magnetism and charm. With neptune, you get the ability to morph into whatever you want.

I have neptune conjunct sun for example, I look different in a lot of my pictures. I pull off different kinds of looks and a person would need to look hard in order to notice that the pictures have the same person.

BML combines the energies or has an element of mars, venus, pluto, uranus, and I hear some people say neptune as well.

Think of libra and aries axis as the wild, playful youth! They're young adults, yet they have a playfulness about them, a natural curiosity to explore and try new things. Libra still has an element of timidness but still is wide eyed and curious. She's a breath of fresh air. Aries, is the natural primitive feral woman who'll climb trees with half of her bronzed **** out with no care of who's watching. They are masculine signs so their inhibition I'd say is attributed to that.

These archetypes are often irresistible to a lot of men especially ones going through a midlife crisis and want to feel young again, also I hear as men get older, they get more feminine and so a woman like the one described above is often what makes them tick.


Then you have the taurus-scorpio axis. Taurus is the full woman, sensual, and an expert at pleasing the five senses in all shapes and forms. She loves sex, knows all of the foods that man likes, probably knows how to cook well, knows what movie to put on after a fine night, leaves her house smelling very nice, wears the nicest perfumes, and probably knows how to please a partner in bed better than a scorpio can(but that's debatable). Other attractive traits is that she is truly kind, and she is more likely than a lot of other woman to be stable financially. She'll also be affectionate and kind to your sister and mother.

Then you have the scorpio. She'll play you with emotions and her intellect. She's the classic femme fatale and she has the little bit of salt that the taurus woman did not have. She'll make you think, she'll force you to be insightful, perceptive and reflective but sometimes you can't even comprehend the puzzles that she puts forward and that's what keeps you intrigued. You know her and yet you feel like you don't. With her it's like diving into your soul, her soul, and the collective consciousness (This is especially true if she's into mysteries and the occult). You won't get the sensorial pleasures as you would with the taurus women but it's close enough plus a little bit of adrenaline and dopamine!

This axis has morphed into maturity and society to an extent and knows how to play by the rules(yet approaches the rules in a different way). Whereas libra and aries axis is untamed, unpredictable, playfulness with the sex appeal, sexuality and body of an adult woman. Both axises are attractive, all four archetypes are sexy but they appeal to different people looking for different things. For example, if you want sensorial pleasures, some element of submissiveness, and yet playfulness and unpredictability, you go for the libra. You want the perfect woman, you go for the taurus.

Then you have pisces. There's a purity about pisces that makes you feel like "there's beauty in the world and I must protect it." This is the archetypal princess/damsel in distress but also has the tendency to morph into whatever fantasy you have going there in your head of yours. They know what you want, and they know how to morph into what you want. They are skilled at make up, attire, changing their mannerism and adapt to the other person's needs or desires and sometimes it's so natural to them, that they don't even know they're doing it. Neptune doesn't always create natural beauty though or downright hotness. These people have a very interesting face in that literally different hair styles will make them appear to be different people or just simply be different ratings in beauty. Marilyn Monroe was kind of like this. They just have to create a fantasy molding their appearance with other things and by giving the right sort of vibes and sometimes you do out do the other signs. They can also be a little chubby, soft and very vulnerable looking.

But pure hotness like that of Tara Patrick(younger days) don't come from neptune.


eg. I don't look good if I put my hair in a certain way. I actually look pure ugly when I put my hair lined in the middle. (sun conjunct neptune, also neptune close to my IC).

I feel like what most people find attractive has mostly to do with again, their 7th house, venus, and mars. However, let's say your 7th house is cap, you'd rather likely choose a venusian cap than just plain old saturnian cap woman.

Also I'd like to add not all zodiac signs find these archetypes particularly irresistable. But most zodiac signs will admit they are attractive generally. Like I really doubt that a sag will like a scorp, or even a pisces and taurus. At least not for long. He won't stand the pisces lies, or inconsistencies in character, will not be able to be responsible enough for the taurus, and will think that the scorpio is literally too hard to deal with.
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There are so many different forums for this. Looks like people really like this topic. So let me add my $0.02 into this. In my opinion, beauty is subjective but I think general archetypes are universally more attractive than others and has always been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dafa...k&pbjreload=10

I think this is a good video.

Generally attractiveness has to do with 4-5 signs in my opinion: libra, scorpio, aries, taurus, and last but not least pisces.

And like that, the planets/bodies denoting attractiveness are venus, neptune, pluto, mars, and BML and this woman adds rahu/northnode.

If someone has more than two to three in luminaries, and in aspect to these planets, they are generally attractive even if they are not beautiful/hot.

For general beauty, I'd say venus in aspect to sun, or ascendent, and perhaps moon if someone's born at night. Mars in aspect also helps a lot. For example, a woman that's very beautiful may have venus conjunct mars on her ascendent.

Models however and I've checked a lot, has sun conjunct mercury as well as sun conjunct venus and why is that? Because mercury gives a thin body structure.

But again, not everyone likes a very very thin woman but nobody would deny a VHS model either.

Neptune, and Pluto gives general magnetism and charm. With neptune, you get the ability to morph into whatever you want.

I have neptune conjunct sun for example, I look different in a lot of my pictures. I pull off different kinds of looks and a person would need to look hard in order to notice that the pictures have the same person.

BML combines the energies or has an element of mars, venus, pluto, uranus, and I hear some people say neptune as well.

Think of libra and aries axis as the wild, playful youth! They're young adults, yet they have a playfulness about them, a natural curiosity to explore and try new things. Libra still has an element of timidness but still is wide eyed and curious. She's a breath of fresh air. Aries, is the natural primitive feral woman who'll climb trees with half of her bronzed **** out with no care of who's watching. They are masculine signs so their inhibition I'd say is attributed to that.

These archetypes are often irresistible to a lot of men especially ones going through a midlife crisis and want to feel young again, also I hear as men get older, they get more feminine and so a woman like the one described above is often what makes them tick.


Then you have the taurus-scorpio axis. Taurus is the full woman, sensual, and an expert at pleasing the five senses in all shapes and forms. She loves sex, knows all of the foods that man likes, probably knows how to cook well, knows what movie to put on after a fine night, leaves her house smelling very nice, wears the nicest perfumes, and probably knows how to please a partner in bed better than a scorpio can(but that's debatable). Other attractive traits is that she is truly kind, and she is more likely than a lot of other woman to be stable financially. She'll also be affectionate and kind to your sister and mother.

Then you have the scorpio. She'll play you with emotions and her intellect. She's the classic femme fatale and she has the little bit of salt that the taurus woman did not have. She'll make you think, she'll force you to be insightful, perceptive and reflective but sometimes you can't even comprehend the puzzles that she puts forward and that's what keeps you intrigued. You know her and yet you feel like you don't. With her it's like diving into your soul, her soul, and the collective consciousness (This is especially true if she's into mysteries and the occult). You won't get the sensorial pleasures as you would with the taurus women but it's close enough plus a little bit of adrenaline and dopamine!

This axis has morphed into maturity and society to an extent and knows how to play by the rules(yet approaches the rules in a different way). Whereas libra and aries axis is untamed, unpredictable, playfulness with the sex appeal, sexuality and body of an adult woman. Both axises are attractive, all four archetypes are sexy but they appeal to different people looking for different things. For example, if you want sensorial pleasures, some element of submissiveness, and yet playfulness and unpredictability, you go for the libra. You want the perfect woman, you go for the taurus.

Then you have pisces. There's a purity about pisces that makes you feel like "there's beauty in the world and I must protect it." This is the archetypal princess/damsel in distress but also has the tendency to morph into whatever fantasy you have going there in your head of yours. They know what you want, and they know how to morph into what you want. They are skilled at make up, attire, changing their mannerism and adapt to the other person's needs or desires and sometimes it's so natural to them, that they don't even know they're doing it. Neptune doesn't always create natural beauty though or downright hotness. These people have a very interesting face in that literally different hair styles will make them appear to be different people or just simply be different ratings in beauty. Marilyn Monroe was kind of like this. They just have to create a fantasy molding their appearance with other things and by giving the right sort of vibes and sometimes you do out do the other signs. They can also be a little chubby, soft and very vulnerable looking.

But pure hotness like that of Tara Patrick(younger days) don't come from neptune.


eg. I don't look good if I put my hair in a certain way. I actually look pure ugly when I put my hair lined in the middle. (sun conjunct neptune, also neptune close to my IC).

I feel like what most people find attractive has mostly to do with again, their 7th house, venus, and mars. However, let's say your 7th house is cap, you'd rather likely choose a venusian cap than just plain old saturnian cap woman.

Also I'd like to add not all zodiac signs find these archetypes particularly irresistable. But most zodiac signs will admit they are attractive generally. Like I really doubt that a sag will like a scorp, or even a pisces and taurus. At least not for long. He won't stand the pisces lies, or inconsistencies in character, will not be able to be responsible enough for the taurus, and will think that the scorpio is literally too hard to deal with.
Well arnt I lucky. I've got Venus conjunct mars sextiles Pluto and trine Neptune . Woohoo.

As for models, I often find that having their ascendant ruler and many other rulers in an angular house helps a lot. Also, having a well aspe ted 6th ruler.
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I opened this topic, because I saw other topics about beauty and this is also an subject I wanted to ask and talk about in the astrological way. As you can see in my chart, I have not much going on with Venus and her connections. When I look at the charts of celebrities or my friends, I see for sure many aspects which give ''beauty'' and ''attractiveness'', also I know that everyone has another taste and different thoughts about what they found beautiful or attractive. I do not want to sound arrogant, but in my opinion, everyone has to find herself beautiful and accept herself as she is and make something of it. I know I'm not the most beautiful person, but I do feel and find myself beautiful. I'm aware of what I have and not have. Still, if I look at it in a astrological way (chart), I can't find the aspects what gives beauty and attractiveness. Only that my Leo Venus 12th house opposites my Aquarius Moon in the 6th house. I'd would be happy if you'll could see some things I don't. And if you not see things, just say it openly. It would not change the way I think about myself


And we could discuss about this by giving example of people we know or just our self.
As far as you go, you have mars in taurus opposite pluto. I've seen people with mars in aspect to pluto have exceptional bodies. In addition to that, you may even have curves because of taurus which is truly a blessing. So I feel like you do have the ability to make muscle if you haven't so done so before.

Other than that you have moon opposite venus and once you integrate your energies or learn how to balance them, this is an amazing aspect to have. Can mean you have the potential to be down to earth and that's an exceptionally attractive trait. If you were born at night time, this venusian quality might show up in your appearance as well.

I would need more things about your chart to analyze more.
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Thank you so much for your reactions. It was beautiful explained ^^ And yes, I do have curves. It's kind of a hourglass mix pear figure. I ain't lying if I say that my hips/legs almost looks like Beyonce's. I would like you to analyze my chart more, do I need to give you my birth information?
Sure of course, you can inbox me too if you want.
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Hi Moon Sun
I don’t know if my experience could be considered relevant, but beauty for me is really in the feelings I have for someone. In my younger days I was very in love with a guy that I found astonishingly beautiful. Looking at the pictures now I realise he was short, had a bad complexion, bad teeth and sort of beady eyes. But he was funny, the life of the parties, he was interesting and had good taste in music, which was absolutely essential for me at the time. I really found him beautiful, it was not like I accepted his appearance because of his wonderful sense of humor.
Later in life I looked at a woman. I did not see much in her. Then she showed some kind of vulnerability, she lost control of a situation and her voice shattered for a moment. From that moment on I started to look at her differently, she seemed more and more beautiful, until at some point I was awed before so much beauty.
The point to this is that objective beauty is irrelevant. If someone loves you, that person will find you the most beautiful girl in the world. If you have a horn on your forehead, that person will find that horns on the forehead are the absolute must and that everyone should have one.
So don’t worry. Try not to protect too much your vulnerability, for instance by being fake, find something authentic to show and someone will find that beautiful.
You have Chiron Saturn opposition on the As-Ds axis. You probably feel shame associated with what you perceive as some physical imperfection of the face like an imperfect nose or teeth... Chiron on the ascendant can give you that. On the other hand, lots of people have the same *defect* but do not feel it as such an invalidating trait. Chiron is more about feeling inadequate or feeling shame for some reason and on the asc it’s the physical appearance and mostly the head. In opposition sits Saturn on the Descendant, giving sometimes difficult *mean* relationships. Being in aspect to Chiron the relationships are directly influenced by the feeling of physical inadequacy or this feeling is produced by bad aquintances. Probably a vicious circle.
Saturn on the descendant can be *domesticated* by searching long term serious relationships with serious people, maybe even older ones. Being very discriminate and not accepting everything. Setting boundaries . Jokers do not apply, especially the kind that make fun of you.
Chiron on the ascendant can be made better if you become the doctor. You have to incarnate Chiron one way or the other, since you have it on your Ascendant, so rather than being the wounded, be the doctor or the sage, help people, enter medical profession or any helping profession. A serious helping professional (Saturn-Chiron on Asc-Dsc) is a persona that would become you, because it would be in accordance with your chart, you would be authentically expressing your chart in the better way possible. When we do that, we start being loved and then we are beautiful.
Chiron on the Asc also implies some medical intervention possible on your appearance, like an orthodontic treatment or nose job. Why not.
You have Venus in 12th, which is famous for not knowing she’s beautiful. But she’s in Leo and all planets in Leo are strong and shine. You just need to determine your style and remember that sober and professional helper should be part of it.

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