Moon square Saturn in fifth house (?!)

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ScorpCrab

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Hello dear people:) Im hoping someone could explain something to me, I just dont understand.
So, Im reading that moon square saturn in fifth means lack of maternal love or child being abandoned and it affects later in life. This is in my sons natal chart and he couldnt be loved more than he is. So I dont know what to think. Also he is lunar Arian wich made him a high needs baby so he cried a hella lot. I did what i could but nothing has helped. Could that affect him? Also he has hard aspects on Lillith all saying he could never find normal relationship in life. Well.. can I do anything? Or its just normal life path we all had. (he is leo asc scorpio moon in aries, i am cancer asc scorpio moon in aries also if it means anything) also we both have aquarius in fourth house. Im guessng these things all mean something.
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE :)
 
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greybeard

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You need to post the charts.

You are driving yourself mad worrying about a future that isn't here and that you can't control. Live in the here and now, give the child your love, and smell the roses.
 
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ScorpCrab

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Well you are apsolutly right. But some things have helped me figuring out about myself through a natal chart, so im interested in his :) it is inevitable that im giving him all of the love i have, and living in here and now was my life motto before i had him. Hes really a handful and giving me hard times so i forget to be cheerful. His chart:
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https://ibb.co/2YXHQML
 
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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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ScorpCrab said:
Hello dear people:)

Im hoping someone could explain something to me, I just dont understand.
So, Im reading that moon square saturn in fifth

means lack of maternal love or child being abandoned and it affects later in life.
This is in my sons natal chart and he couldnt be loved more than he is.
So I dont know what to think.
Also he is lunar Arian wich made him a high needs baby so he cried a hella lot.
I did what i could but nothing has helped. Could that affect him?
Also he has hard aspects on Lillith all saying he could never find normal relationship in life.
Well.. can I do anything?
Or its just normal life path we all had.
(he is leo asc scorpio moon in aries, i am cancer asc scorpio moon in aries

also if it means anything) also we both have aquarius in fourth house.

Im guessng these things all mean something.
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE :)
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for chart comparison :smile:
ASTROSEEK calculates SYNASTRY CHARTS
at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/synastry-chart-online-calculator
 
ashriia

ashriia

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"Hes really a handful and giving me hard times so i forget to be cheerful."

Maybe this will be the issue. With his moon placements. Ive seen that in a few charts with moon squares/opps to saturn. The child can be too much for the mother so she shows lots of frustration with the child. And it feels like lack of nurturing. But just do the best you can to show love and support and that is really all you can do.

Lastly, lilith placements never indicate not being able to find relationships. Normal is subjective. He will have the relationships he needs for his life path.
 
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ScorpCrab

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ashriia said:
"Hes really a handful and giving me hard times so i forget to be cheerful."

Maybe this will be the issue. With his moon placements. Ive seen that in a few charts with moon squares/opps to saturn. The child can be too much for the mother so she shows lots of frustration with the child. And it feels like lack of nurturing. But just do the best you can to show love and support and that is really all you can do.

Lastly, lilith placements never indicate not being able to find relationships. Normal is subjective. He will have the relationships he needs for his life path.
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Thank you for the insight :)
Its kind of difficult since i am a cancer native, leos were always too much for me to handle. But what he does is bring joy and smiles and happiness when hes not in a bad mood tho. We found a way to work since i actualy started liking to always try and entertain him.
What i know is, he needs lots of love and i got more than loads of it. He could never feel anything but secure with me. Maybe he will need too much freedom and i will be the needy mommy :D
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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ScorpCrab said:
I dont understand i did it just how you explained.
I will see what couldnbe the problem.
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the synastry link is not working

ScorpCrab said:
https://ibb.co/hFdSWXw
I hope this is ok.

Dont know how to put thumbnail on my cellphone:/ im sorry
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that link is working

Moon is Aries, so since Ascendant is Scorpio
then
Aries Moon of natal chart is in SIXTH SIGN from the ASCENDANT SIGN :smile:

an excellent example of the fact that the house location of a natal planet
may change
DEPENDENT ON HOUSE SYSTEM CHOSEN

i.e.

many beginners are unaware that

there are at least twenty or thirty different house systems
or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart"

into twelve segments of life activity.
In astrology, houses, mansions, or domains
represent general areas of life activity
and are the grounding areas or arenas of expression for planets.
Originally, the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable.
A planet in the SIGN of Aries
was also a planet in the HOUSE of Aries
so that in effect houses as we know them today did not exist
 
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JUPITERASC

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and so :smile:
using WHOLE SIGN HOUSES
eliminates the confusion between signs and houses
Capricorn Saturn in 3rd House and 3rd Sign
squares
Aries Moon in 6th House and 6th Sign
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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WHOLE SIGN HOUSES is an option offered on astro.com
on their EXTENDED CHART SELECTION PAGE
choice from amongst fourteen most popular House Systems in use currently
Placidus is simply the default

ALSO
easy to calculate natal chart using Whole Sign Houses option on ASTROSEEK

at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology

creating natal chart using Whole Sign Houses
and
comparing with natal chart using Placidus
graphically illustrates the clarity of using Whole Sign Houses :smile:
 
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ScorpCrab

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JUPITERASC said:
WHOLE SIGN HOUSES is an option offered on astro.com
on their EXTENDED CHART SELECTION PAGE
choice from amongst fourteen most popular House Systems in use currently
Placidus is simply the default

ALSO
easy to calculate natal chart using Whole Sign Houses option on ASTROSEEK

at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology

creating natal chart using Whole Sign Houses
and
comparing with natal chart using Placidus
graphically illustrates the clarity of using Whole Sign Houses :smile:
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Wow, thank you jupiterasc!
Now that the little cub is asleep i will definetly look into all of that. There is probably more about what you are saying explained somewhere in threads? :D
It is obvious i know not much of astrology but I am trying to learn as much as I can (read:have time for)
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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ScorpCrab said:
Wow, thank you jupiterasc!
Now that the little cub is asleep i will definetly look into all of that.
There is probably more about what you are saying explained somewhere in threads? :D
It is obvious i know not much of astrology
but I am trying to learn as much as I can (read:have time for)
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I'm no expert - we're both on a level playing field :smile:
there is much more discussed previously on many threads
these may be of interest

WHOLE SIGNS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42163

WHOLE SIGN OR PLACIDUS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39669
 
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greybeard

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I fathered and raised 7 kids.

One thing I learned, or really two.

First, you don't know what you've got in that cradle. (The horoscope can help here).

Second, we never can know the outcomes of our actions. And our well-intended and thought-out actions may be taken by the child they are meant to nurture in quite a different way than was intended by the parent.

So. Relax. Remove the heavy burden of personal responsibility from your shoulders. You are a steward for this little boy, too soon to become a man...not a goddess or demon. Childhood is over in a flash, gone forever. Enjoy it all, instead of punishing yourself.

He will become what he already is, and that is decreed by the heavens.
 
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greybeard

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And by the way, your interest in all this is in great part egocentric. You are terrified that your son may dislike you, blame you.

I detested my own mother right up to the last time I ever saw her. But that didn't bother her at all. She knew who she was. My hatred for her was my personal problem, not hers at all.

And on the long drive home from that last visit the miracle of forgiveness came down upon me, like a dove descending. But all of this was within me and of no concern to her.

Lighten up. Life is to enjoy.

And by the way, it was astrology that led me to that last delightful, beautiful day with my mom...and my own deep transformation.
 
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wan

wan

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greybeard said:
And by the way, your interest in all this is in great part egocentric. You are terrified that your son may dislike you, blame you.
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Why is it egocentric? Isn't it quite normal that people fear others might dislike or blame them?
 
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