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Unread 02-20-2006, 09:21 PM
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My car was broken into about three quarters of an hour ago, I'm just waiting for the police now and want to know 'will my car be safe?' My partner saw some youths running from the car and it's the third time thids has happened in the past months. It looks like they may have been trying to steal it and he's frightenend them off.
The time is now 21.22 at liverpool England.

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Unread 02-20-2006, 09:34 PM
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Hi
What I meant to ask is 'will they come back?' The time is now 21.36

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Mia: I wish you the best with this situation, and I am sure that you have the support of the rest of the Astrology Weekly community, as well.

Here is the chart for your first question:



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...and here is the chart for the second question. They are not much different, but any slight changes may be significant



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Hi Mia,

LOL. Another fine day in Liverpool then? :|

(not that I find it funny but Liverpool is notorious in England for this sort of thing).

I have relatives in Liverpool and they have even had cars on fire in the street. :?

I will try and interpret this horary for you, but I will be using the technique that John Frawley advises in his book, 'The Horary Textbook'. According to Frawley, the time at which the question was thought of by the inquirer is not the most significant moment for interpretation, but the moment at which the person who is to interpret the chart receives and understands the question and then decides to cast a horary upon it.

This seems to make sense to me.

I recieved, understood and decided to try and interpret your question at 22:54 on the same night you asked it, in Blackpool, so this is the data, according to Frawley's way, I will be using for interpretation.

As I am primarily concerned with traditional astrology at the moment I will only be using the seven visible planets and considering the four 'major' aspects.

I am bearing in mind that your question is whether or not your car is going to be safe from theft or damage in light of recent incidents.

Here's the chart, for the time and place in which I received the question:



Libra rises upon a late degree, and far from a late degree meaning that the chart is not fit for interpretation, it is simply a consideration meaning that the answer to your question is probably already known - that is to say, you are already aware that the car is probably not safe Mia, and that in light of previous incidents you have every reason to worry about the safety of your car. In short, you already know that your car may be at risk again. So a late ascendant does not mean the chart cannot be interpreted, but rather reflects at the outset that the answer to the question may already be known.

Something of the nature of the question itself is always symbolised by the ascendant, and this being Libra, shows how this is an issue concerning that which is fair, justified or legal - or in this case unfair, unjustified and illegal. Your sense of fairplay, order and calm has of course been violated.

The late ascendant may also show how you feel that the law may not be much benefit to you in this situation.

To find your significator I look to the 7th cusp, because to me, the interpreter, you are 'another person'. The 7th cusp is ruled by Aries, making you Mars, and very appropriately Mars is placed in the 2nd house of 'moveable possessions', reflecting that your primary concern within this issue is your car. You are significated by Mars because this reflects the anger, frustration and offence that you feel about over the issue. Also Mars in the 2nd is also a nice description of your car as a 'moveable possession' as motor powered objects are beneath the influence of Mars.

Mars in the first degree of Gemini is peregrine, meaning that it has no essential dignity in this position, however it is better than being detrimented, and I think that this shows about how you are in despair at the minute and worried, in that you feel at a loss in not knowing what to do to protect your car from thieves and/or vandals. You have little power to act, you are somewhat helpless, after all, you can't sit outside and watch your car 24/7.

Your car, will be symbolised by the 8th cusp, because this is the turned 2nd from the 7th (possesion of Mia's).

The ruler of the 8th cusp, being in Taurus is Venus, so Venus in Capricorn is in the 3rd represents your car. Venus seems to suggest that this car of yours is rather attractive, perhaps why it is of such interest to thieves, and Capricorn would also give an air of sophistication. It's placement in the 3rd house is descriptive in that this is the house of short journeys, roads and local travel, which shows the function of the object.

Venus is also peregrine in this position, it has no essential dignity, showing how the safety of this object hangs in the balance. To be peregrine is better than to be essentially detrimented, but I wonder how well secured your car is? Venus' position being peregrine shows that your car lacks power to act, so how does it lack the power to ward offenders away from it? In short, it is described as vulnerable.

Interesingly the thieves/enemies are also represented by Venus. The 7th is the house of thieves and enemies, and the turned 7th house from the 7th brings us to the late ascendant in Libra, representing the thieves.

The fact that the enemies as well as the car are shown by the same significator, reflects that the car and the enemies are inextricably connected - they have their eye on your car, they already see it as theirs and they as it's. However, Venus' position shows that they are also peregrine, they have no power to act, they have been chased away and the police called, there is little they can do for the time being, but the fact that the car and them are one and the same seems to suggest that they will bide their time, they have already tied themselves to it.

Interestingly also is that the police are signified by Venus. The 6th house is the house of persons who work on our behalf, and the turned 6th from the 7th is the 12th cusp in Libra, making the officers who came to help you Venus. So this shows how they are concerned with and connected to both the car and the people who broke into it, by having the same significator, however it also shows, Venus being peregrine, that they have little power to act, there isn't much they can do about it (no suprises there with the efficacy of the police then :roll: ).

I always look at the Moon last, as a sort of round up or summary to the reading, so before considering the Moon's position I will try and consider the aspects to/from Venus (car/enemies).

What interests me is that Mercury (natural ruler of thieves) applies a sextile to Venus. Mercury is in the 5th house of pleasure and excitement, and as Mercury is patron of travel, this would seem to describe 'joy riders'. I believe that this aspect shows the thieves having another go at your car. I further support this idea because Mercury is the ruler of the 9th house of 'learned people', and to steal a car requires specialist knowledge that wouldn't be known to everyone. The 9th is your turned 3rd, hence your vehicle and 'means of travel'.

I wouldn't worry about this too much though because Mercury is in it's sign of detriment and is very badly dignified, so I think that this means that there is every chance of catching them red handed or at least things going wrong for them and them being caught. Mercury is ruler of thieves but when in detriment he makes a lousy one.

For timing, Mercury has 1 degree and 41 minutes of arc to travel before perfecting contact with Venus. Mercury is in a mutable sign and a succedent house, so we would use a middle amount of time for timing this. I am wondering whether I should be considering this query on a scale of days, weeks and months or weeks, months and years, but I suppose that days, weeks and months would make more sense here, so I would imagine that this other attempt upon taking your car for a joy ride is destined to happen in just under two weeks time. So be on the look out then.

Then again, depending upon how brazen these individuals are the time scale to use might even be in terms of hours, days, and weeks, in which case it may be worth being vigilant in just under two days, but I would opt for weeks, because it would be quite foolish to try again so soon after they have been seen.

The Moon is at 28 degrees Scorpio. The void of course Moon is, similar to the late ascendant, an indication of how you feel that there is little respite in this situation, and that you already know that your car is unsafe. There is little you can do to change the situation. It is interesting that the Moon is in the radical 2nd house, highlighting property and possesions, but remember that the 2nd is your turned 8th house of 'other peoples resources' highlighting your fear that you are unable to keep your property out of the hands of others.

In summary I would say, that you already know the answer to your question - that the car is generally unsafe, that is not as secure as it should be, that you have little power to act and that they will probably come for another go. However, when they do it is unlikely that they will be successful, and if you are vigilant they can be caught when they make a blunder. Mercury is in it's detriment - they are not very sophisticated thieves so you can outwit them but your car is still at risk from damage.

I hope that you can rest and not worry too much in this situation. I hope that your car remains secure and that no harm comes to it.

I await your feedback to tell me where you feel I have gone right or wrong in this reading.

Thankyou for the opportunity to have a look at the chart, and any feedback you have to give will help me to learn. Questions welcome.

Goodnight Mia, hope you could get some rest as I am sure you must have been angry and worried about your car.

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Had to delet this, I ended up sending the post twice. ops:
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Unread 02-21-2006, 06:30 AM
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Hi Draco

Thanks ever so much for replying to my question, I've hardly slept all night and I'm heartily sick of living where I do. You were very right in your descrition of the whole thing so I'm assuming you are also going to be right about the outcome.

Yes, the answer is known because of the area I live in. It's 'expected' that this type of thing will happen but it's still not nice when it does. and I was only thinking recently how it had become relatively quiet! You were spot on with my 'sense of fair play, order and calm being violated'. Firstly, this is because how one would normally feel in this situation anyway but also; I'm not rich, I'm not materialistic, I earn a relatively good living with my partner which enables us to live and pay our bills but I'm not 'showy' in the least. I think I also feel a sense of injustice because I work with and help youths, like this (disaffected and disengaged, I help them with their maths and english) which brings me to another aspect.

You describe the car as attractive and you were spot on again with your description of it being used for short journeys and local travel because this is all I use it for as I don't like driving too far and my place of work is very near to where I live. You also said they have their eye on the car. Draco, my concern is that it could be one of the youths I work with. I don't tell them where I live but one of them saw me coming into the house recently and asked me if it was where I lived. I said no but these kids would run rings around me with their worldliness and I don't think he believed me. He actually said, 'your telling me it's not where you live because your scared I will do something to your house'.

Now I have to tell you, I don't think this particular lad would do anything but I can't be sure because I do tend to be quite trusting. I know that many of them live around me but essentially, I've managed to keep this information away from them. In the past, other lads have expressed that they would like to 'have a go' of my car. I don't think it's a particularly attactive car (but then I know nothing about cars) but a couple have asked me jokingly for 'a go'. There have also been situations where some of the lads have turned nasty and threatened that they will do something to the car but they always threaten something if they get upset with you. Now I don't know who it was and it may have been nothing to do with any of them but Draco, I would like to know, was it someone who knows me? The time is 06.24. I'll understand if you haven't the time to do this but if you do I would be very grateful.

You were also spot on about the police not being, 'much benefit to you' because just after I'd posted my question last night, they phoned to say that they couldn't come out as they were 'too busy'. Oh well, there you go!. I do feel vulnerable and a big concern is keeping my partner away from them if he sees them because you hear such awful stories about confronting these kids and people have been killed.

All in all Draco, it was an excellent description of the whole situation and I will take heed of your advice concerning the timing of possible repercussions.

Once again, thank you for your time and excellent judgement and wisdom.

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Unread 02-21-2006, 06:33 AM
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Hi Draco
just to add, yes the car is vulnerable and I'm going to be getting some extra locks for it etc.

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Unread 02-21-2006, 06:52 AM
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also forgot to add, yes, it probably was joy riders because there was nothing on view in the car to steal and the car door was bent backwards by them trying to get in. We're very aware of leaving stuff in the car and never do so because they will steal anything to finance drugs etc.
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Hi Mia,

Something I failed to mention in my last post, was in fact that I feel that the thieves know who you are. This is because Venus is in Capricorn, and Capricorn is the exaltation of Mars, which is your signficator. With Venus exalting Mars this would suggest that the thief/ves hold you in high esteem and this caused me to wonder how you can hold a person in high esteem if you don't know them?

I didn't say this though because I thought it would not be relevant. So I have learned not to hold anything back if I consider it to seem nonsense in my own opinion. Perhaps you are held in 'high esteem' because you are seen as an easy target?

I do feel that the lad you mentioned that you work with may have something to do with it.

When you have interpreted a horary and the inquirer has further questions in relation to the response, you are supposed to use the same chart and explore it for answers to these further questions. If we use the original chart to try and answer the question of whether or not this has anything to do with someone you know then the answer is quite interesting:

You say that you suspect a lad that you help to teach reading and writing, and the turned 3rd cusp (pupils) from the 7th (you) is the 9th which is in Gemini (reading and writing).

This would make Mercury the significator of the people you teach, and it is Mercury that makes a future aspect to your car.

Mercury, as I said last night is in very detrimented in Pisces which may show a person with difficulty with numeracy and literacy, because Mercury cannot easily express himself numerically and literally in his sign of detriment and fall. I would also mention that Mercury rules the radical 9th, the house of teaching, indicating that there may be an association with you in this way.

If we look to the turned 7th (other people) from the radical 7th (you) for deciding whether this is someone you know, we see that the significator is Venus, as is your car. Remember when I mentioned last night that as Venus and the theives are shown by the same significator that this shows that they are inextricably connected? Well, I feel that this would support your idea that this is someone that you know - and teach, because as you have said, he has already expressed an interest in your car to your face, and this would be why they are shown by the same significator.

Both Venus and Mercury show how this person is only a kid, as Venus is the natural ruler of 'youth', and Mercury is in the radical 5th house of children, so I don't think that this is an older teenager or a man, this person is barely more than a kid. At least, this person would be a child in your eyes.

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Hi Draco
Thanks for your great insight once again. You mentioned that my car could be an easy target and yes, this is so. It is not very protected (I intend to change this quickly because I really do believe they WILL come back) but also because my house is at the top end of a kind of long cul-de-sac - thus it's easy to get out on to the main road and away if your stealing a car!

My neighbour, who is very vigilant has commented that she can't see my car at night from her window as I have a large conifer tree blocking her view and the thieves can see this too. So yes, several reasons for my car being an easy target.

One of my work colleagues mentioned yesterday that it could have been another lad who we used to work with - who I suspect damaged my car last time. (they put the back window through that time and he lives around here too) When this happened, many cars in the area were vandalised not just mine but I still think it was him and a gang of other lads he knocks round with because he really does seem to be into that kind of mindless violence thing.

This time though, I am more inclined to think it may have been the one I mentioned yesterday (though I know one can't go accusing; I'll wait and see what happens but be vigilant) as he is dyslexic and does have problems with reading and writing and as you described; the chart is suggesting this.

I'll keep you up to date with any developments Draco as I know it helps you too in your own development.

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And Aquarian Maverick too: thanks very much for putting tha charts up you do a great job!
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