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Unread 03-30-2019, 09:32 AM
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Trouble with making friends with people from my country?

Hello, it seems I have trouble making friendhips in my home country or with people from it while abroad. I made many friends from Portugal, USA, Germany, Turkey, Romania, Hungary, etc. more easily somehow. Weird, considering that according to AstroClick Travel my country is one of the best places in Europe for me. Or is it? What am I missing? I've weak Jupiter, Mercury and Sun, please see my chart below.

Home city (most of my country is similar, but with a Neptune or Mars aspect lines instead):


Jupiter MC Line (on the weaker, East side)
Sun trine/sextile MC
Pluto trine/sextile AS
Chiron trine/sextile AS

Parans/crossings at the same latitude:
Neptune/Moon's Nodes - the culprit ?
Jupiter/Moon's Nodes
Moon/Moon's Nodes
Sun/Moon
My map at the birth place of one of my friends I met abroad:

Jupiter MC Line (on the better, West side)
Moon/IC Line - further away at 222 km
Pluto trine/sextile AS
Chiron trine/sextile AS
Sun trine/sextile MC

Parans/crossings at the same latitude:
Mars/Chiron
Chiron/Neptune
Venus/Uranus
Sun/Jupiter
Moon/Mercury

I have a Moon in Scorpio, so would a place further away from the moon line be more positive for me than my own city above? What is the culprit with not making connections with compatriots despite sharing the same culture and language?
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Unread 04-07-2019, 04:55 AM
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Re: Trouble with making friends with people from my country?

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Ruler of your 7th house (relationships) is Jupiter in 10th house, but it's on the cusp of 9th house too, (house of abroad). I don't know if it's accurate, because for me a planet less than 4 degrees before a cusp is considered like part of next house. But it can maybe have an influence on both.

Moon doesn't like to be in Scorpio because is at fall (But the others Scorpio Moons I know have a lot of friends, so it's may be not a sign problem). Jupiter oppose your Moon. With an opposition, one of both planets want to win

Where Pluto is in a chart, show the area of life where we have issues with our power / and the type of transformations & crisis we can have. Pluto in 3rd house suggests power issues with surroundings & communications. (familiar places and faces). Maybe you have too much fears, or a feeling of not being a part of it. House where Moon is, shows where we can feel most unconfortable, or confortable at, depending on the situations. Yours is between 3rd and 4th house. They can represents your country, city, home, langage and this kind of things

You also have Mercury & Sun in 11th house – internet house/social networks/humanity house.

I have an 11th house Sun too. It's a good placement for friends & groups. During a lot of years, I had a lot of friends & ease with all groups i've met. But i've lost it all now, unhappily. I think it's because of stronger placements and transits. (1st and 12th House kind of things)

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Unread 04-07-2019, 07:32 AM
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Re: Trouble with making friends with people from my country?

Hey thank you for your reply! I think some negative karma to my home city, nation or country might be involved. I'm actually thinking of relocating to Western Europe, so I'll have Sun in the 12th there. No major lines there except a Pluto one I'll avoid. What you say about Moon and Pluto makes sense. I think Moon fully moves to the 4th in Western Europe. Despite my Jupiter line here, getting a good job has been hard.

I read that the 1st house is most important in a relocated chart. I remember how I was more attractive to women with my 1st house and Asc being Leo. Here in Eastern Europe my 1st house and Asc is in Virgo so I come off/act more reserved and it's harder to tap into Leo energy. I kinda feel like a little kid here and I come off less attractive to women.

I don't really do well in groups. Here in my home city I can never even find one while further west in Central Europe (but with mostly same positions) I was involved in hiking groups and made more than a dozen friends in less than a year period. I always had someone to drink/go out with. Whenever I ask on Fb for going to events/meeting ppl from Fb like I did in Central Europe, something happens. Either there are no available communities, the meeting gets cancelled or sth else. It must be karma related to the place or/and the Neptune/Moon nodes paran. But how can it override the Jupiter and small Sun line?

In my home city I've had less fforriends my whole life back home! My Moon IC line was too emotional to live on, however, so I left. I wonder if Moon square As and Jupiter square As lines in Germany are as bad as Astro.com says? I have a Merc line there however (my least aspected planet) and Sun/Jupiter, Moon/Mercury parans. For whatever reason I feel attracted to Germany (as well as Hungary, Portugal, Spain and Poland) the most.

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Unread 04-07-2019, 09:51 AM
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Re: Trouble with making friends with people from my country?

I've never heard about relocated natal chart before today. I'm new on this forum, and in my langage (French) such things as relocated charts or parans, etc.. are not very used, so i don't understand all ^^'

Even if you change your location, you'll have solar returns and planets transits, so it will be difficult to avoid all astral issues.
I've read 12th house Sun is a karmic placement too. It can be difficult for a Leo rising maybe


I hope someone else will help you better than me on this topic

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Unread 04-13-2019, 02:11 PM
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Re: Trouble with making friends with people from my country?

Can we use Placidus for relocation charts too?
Venus is also very important, because house where venus is shows where do you can attract more people. Virgo ASC can manifest traits of the fall of venus, i think.

France (mostly Paris city) is an expensive country and a mess now.
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Hey thank you for your reply! I think some negative karma to my home city, nation or country might be involved. I'm actually thinking of relocating to Western Europe, so I'll have Sun in the 12th there. No major lines there except a Pluto one I'll avoid. What you say about Moon and Pluto makes sense. I think Moon fully moves to the 4th in Western Europe. Despite my Jupiter line here, getting a good job has been hard.

I read that the 1st house is most important in a relocated chart. I remember how I was more attractive to women with my 1st house and Asc being Leo. Here in Eastern Europe my 1st house and Asc is in Virgo so I come off/act more reserved and it's harder to tap into Leo energy. I kinda feel like a little kid here and I come off less attractive to women.

I don't really do well in groups. Here in my home city I can never even find one while further west in Central Europe (but with mostly same positions) I was involved in hiking groups and made more than a dozen friends in less than a year period. I always had someone to drink/go out with. Whenever I ask on Fb for going to events/meeting ppl from Fb like I did in Central Europe, something happens. Either there are no available communities, the meeting gets cancelled or sth else. It must be karma related to the place or/and the Neptune/Moon nodes paran. But how can it override the Jupiter and small Sun line?

In my home city I've had less fforriends my whole life back home! My Moon IC line was too emotional to live on, however, so I left. I wonder if Moon square As and Jupiter square As lines in Germany are as bad as Astro.com says? I have a Merc line there however (my least aspected planet) and Sun/Jupiter, Moon/Mercury parans. For whatever reason I feel attracted to Germany (as well as Hungary, Portugal, Spain and Poland) the most.

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It's impossible for your skin to turn yellowish just because you're living on your Pluto line. Something has to be physically happening, in your body, for that to occur, and there are only two possible causes: either you've been eating a ton of carrots - but you would have to eat lots and lots and lots of them, constantly, over a long period of time, for that to happen, and it wouldn't affect your ability to tan - or, much more likely, you have jaundice. That's a liver problem, and it can be very serious. You need medical attention, and quickly. Relocating will do nothing for it.

When it comes to relocation astrology, your original natal chart doesn't change. No matter where in the world you live, you still have the same rising sign and the same house placements for everything. A relocation chart overlays your natal chart, but doesn't substitute for it. All that happens is that certain areas of your life might get emphasized in slightly different ways.

If you move to Paris, you won't become a Leo rising. You'll still be a Cancer with Virgo rising, and you'll still meet the world in a Virgo way. All that will happen is that your natal twelfth house will become the location for your relocated ascendant. Since Leo is the hidden, secretive, deeply unconscious and possibly isolated part of the zodiac for you, relocating your AC there will, if anything, make you more isolated instead of less. You would be meeting Paris through your twelfth house. Relocating your sun to the twelfth only serves to double emphasize that.

It's possible to become a more social Virgo rising, as long as you do it in a way that fits the parameters of Virgo. You can do that no matter where in the world you live. But you can't become more social by trying to force yourself into a Leo rising mold. It doesn't work that way.

And if you want your chart read, please don't post it as a PDF. It's impossible to open those on many devices - mine included - without downloading them. People shouldn't be forced to download your charts.
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Re: Trouble with making friends with people from my country?

Guys and gals, I think itís the Pluto trine/sextile AS line thatís making people react so strongly to me (usually in a negative way). So it apparently is able to negate the minor Sun line and the major Jupiter line in Sofia, Bulgaria. Things were even worse when I went to study just 5 miles away from this Pluto trine/sextile As line. Maybe my Neptune line further east in Bulgaria and Romania would be more positive as it means empathy. No wonder I get on better with Eastern Bulgarians. Not sure about my Mars line there though.

As a result of this Pluto line, I have trouble finding jobs in Sofia, but also in Krakow where it also passes. Meanwhile a company wanted to make a Skype interview with me despite that not being their usual practice in Rzeszow which is further away from it.

So itís good to always bear in mind the minor lines! Another example: In Bavaria I have two Sun/Jupiter parans, yet I also have two minor Moon and Saturn lines which are not that positive. I really donít see many places that donít have even a single bad line or paran affecting them - Athens, Eastern Bulgaria and Romania, Belarus and villages and towns in the very East/South corner of Poland seem good. Not many jobs there except in Bucharest. Stockholm has the Neptune line but unfortunately also the Moon line and several planet crossings with Pluto!
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