querent in the 12 house in her own sign (moon in cancer)

Arian

Active member
Hi!
It is a marriage question...Will we get married?
Querent's significator, Moon, is in the 12th house in Cancer.
Significator of 7th house, Saturn, in the 5th and Rx.
Jupiter is very close to Asc.
Moon and Saturn have no direct aspect with each other. Venus, on MC, in Aries, makes aspects with both of them.
It looks like, answer is NO!

What do you think, being in the 12H will bring to querent a bad reputation or the circumstances of the querent is hidden? And what can we suggest to the querent, like ''stay away what you ask for!''

Best wishes,
Arian
 

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Zarathu

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Clarification: you asked this question last May, 4 months ago, and just now got around to putting it up on the Forum?

Zarathu


[P.S.: I am asking questions or making comments to decide if I am interested in pursuing your issues astrologically, not because I am offering or planning to do so immediately.]
 

Arian

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@Zarathu:
Yes, I was thinking and searching about it...but could not come to a conclusion...decided to ask to forum...
 

Zarathu

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OK....

Moon is not VOC, Saturn is not in the 7th house and ASC is not in an early or late degree,

But there is no ptolemaic aspect between the ruler of the ASC and the ruler of the house of the question. This last is a biggie. And you can use the Moon as a substitute since the Moon is the Moon.

It means that nothing is happening here.

But lets ignore that for the moment.

1. The conjunction of the ARABic part of death with the Moon does not mean that someone will die, but it does support the idea that there is no marriage here, coming for the lack of aspect above.

2. The fact that Moon is both in Cancer and the 12 house is confusing since it says it will conclude quickly and it will not.

3. The Moon has every aspect possible before leaving the sign, so if marriage does take place an enormous amount of stuff has to take place first---too much in fact

4. There are more squares in the chart than I have seen in a long time: 15 or more

Yeah.... too many obstacles here for a marriage, IMO
 

Arian

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@Zarathu:
1) Can we say querent (Moon) has fear and hidden intentions for the relation being in the 12H or just looks like a victim of the circumstances?
2) Jupiter is very close to Asc and Moon will join Jupiter soon, do you think it will make a positive effect on the outcome of the question?
3) Venus, on MC, in Aries, makes aspect with two significators. Can we count it as communication between significators?
 

Zarathu

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IMO, those kinds of questions would be better answered by a synastric analysis of the charts of both persons.

Z

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tikana

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not see this marriage at all!

Moon aspects sun first .. could be another guy ??? moon/saturn are natural and essentially debilitating to each other so No to the marriage


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Arian

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@Zarathu:
At the moment I can not download charts but will soon.
A's (female)DOB: 25 Nov 1973 in İzmir, Turkey. (27e09, 38n25). Time:04:25 am

B's (male) DOB:10 Aug 1964 in İstanbul, Turkey. (28e58, 41n01). Time: 03:45 pm

There is strong synastry between two including angles, vertex and nodes. Can they live and stay together I do not know.

Z

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JUPITERASC

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@Zarathu:
At the moment I can not download charts but will soon.
A's (female)DOB: 25 Nov 1973 in İzmir, Turkey. (27e09, 38n25). Time:04:25 am

B's (male) DOB:10 Aug 1964 in İstanbul, Turkey. (28e58, 41n01). Time: 03:45 pm

There is strong synastry between two including angles, vertex and nodes. Can they live and stay together I do not know.

Z
[P.S.: I am asking questions or making comments to decide if I am interested in pursuing your issues astrologically,
not because I am offering or planning to do so immediately.
]
Arian, BobZemco has not posted on the forum for approximately a year
but he did leave us with these guidelines
that are likely to be useful for you
:smile:
The theory behind Horary is very simple:

1) there is a Question that weighs very heavily on your mind.


2) when you have a clear understanding of what it is that you really want to know, you cast a chart or an astrologer casts one for you


3) That freezes the Planets as they transit the heavens at that moment (hence: Horary)


4) the Rising Sign and Planet that rules the Rising Sign represents you


5) the House, or often more correctly, the Sign that represents the Matter you're asking about and the Planet that rules that Sign represents the Matter. The Matter can be a person or a thing or an idea (like a rumor or a dream).


6) the relationship between those two rulers tells you what has happened, and what is yet to come. That relationship is in the form of aspects. If there are no aspects, then there is nothing to come.


7) the Moon plays a special dual-role signifying the State of Mind of the Querent and also how things play out, how they happen, and when they happen. When there are no aspects formed by the Moon (ie it is Void of Course) then nothing will happen. Note that there are a handful of certain special select Horary Questions where a Void of Course Moon is not relevant. Those are often war, conflict or legal questions, or Questions related to Career.


8) in addition to forming aspects,
those Planets must also have Perfect Reception,
as opposed to simple Reception.
Reception is about "allowing."
For example if Mars is applying in aspect to Jupiter,
and Jupiter receives Mars
then Jupiter is allowing Mars to act.
Jupiter is effectively saying, "Go ahead and do that thing that you do."
If Jupiter does not receive Mars,
then Jupiter is effectively saying, "Go away and leave me alone. Go. Get out of here."
If it is a Sign of Enmity,
like Mars in Capricorn (the Fall of Jupiter)
then Jupiter is effectively saying, "Cease and Desist. I will stop you from doing anything.
If necessary, I may even get violent to stop you."
And that just might be the case if Jupiter were also in a Violent Sign,
otherwise Jupiter would just keep slamming doors in your face.

9) How things actually play out depends a lot on the "strength" of the Planets involved.
The strength of the Planets indicates their ability to do act and do things
and carry out plans and make things happen.
A Planet that is not just in its own Sign,
but also in its Triplicity or Term,
and is Direct in Motion,
Fast in Speed,
Angular or Succedent,
in Hayz,
in a trine aspect with Venus/Jupiter/Sun
is very powerful.
That's a person with a purpose in life
who has both the will and ability to act and make things happen.


A Planet that is Slow in Speed,
Retrograde,
in Fall/Detriment, Cadent,
and not in Sect
or worse
is Out-of Sect
isn't going to be able to do anything,
even when there is Perfect Reception in the chart,
this person is going to botch every thing up
and turn a dream about ponies and gum-drops
into a nightmare,
because they don't have the strength or will to make things happen.


10) when charts have early/late Ascendants, Void of Course Moons, Moon via Combusta, Saturn in the 1st or 7th House (when not a significator) you can look at the chart for reasons why you are getting those warnings.

Often a non-significator Planet is making an aspect to one of the primary significators. Sextiles and trines usually indicate on-going events which first must be completed before anything can happen. Conjunctions, squares and opposition usually indicate obstacles that are preventing things from happening, and with the "hard" aspects sometimes things can still happen if those obstacles can be overcome.

The condition and placement of the Moon/Ascendant Ruler will tell you the State of Mind and what kind of person the Querent is; good-hearted, or ambivalent, or in sheer terror, in a total panic, has the "stink of desperation" or is immature and selfish, looking do to harm, or is someone you wouldn't let your dog go near. The Planet that is the Quesited/Matter will tell you about them, but not with the same clarity as the Querent. A poorly placed 10th House Ruler might be a job you really don't want, because it ain't all that or isn't what you think it is. A poorly placed 7th House Ruler is someone you might not really want to be with, or something you don't really want to buy and so on.

For a Planet (like the Ascendant Ruler) in Detriment, it is important that it make an aspect to the 1st House (ie it is not inconjunct in the 2nd, 6th, 8th or 12th Houses), and for other significators that it aspect the House it rules. A Planet that is inconjunct to the House it rules can't witness or give testimony to the affairs of that House. That means it cannot control those events, and being weak in Detriment has even less control and less ability to effect outcomes.

 

Marinka

Well-known member
My procedure for horaries is different. I use all planets, whole sign, and the moon represents the question and events.

- With whole sign houses, moon is in the 1st indicating that the question is not so much that you marry this person, rather that you marry. If it was this person, I would expect to see the moon in the 7th.

- With Jupiter in the 1st, I use that as your signifier and Saturn for him (or other). Jupiter is moving to a trine to Saturn.

- Also, Moon (events) is moving to conjunct Jupiter and then to trine Saturn (as the last angle).

Moon is very early and as it gives events, I suspect that maybe there might be someone else or this relationship still has more to go through.


 

Flapjacks

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Arian, BobZemco has not posted on the forum for approximately a year
but he did leave us with these guidelines
that are likely to be useful for you
:smile:

BobZemco said:
5) the House, or often more correctly, the Sign that represents the Matter you're asking about and the Planet that rules that Sign represents the Matter. The Matter can be a person or a thing or an idea (like a rumor or a dream).

So, by this, Arian should be looking at Venus (ruler of Libra) as signification of marriage?
 

Arian

Active member

Moon is very early and as it gives events, I suspect that maybe there might be someone else or this relationship still has more to go through.


Dear Marinka, We knew each other as collegues for years but we started chatting in a different style, on the 29th of April 2014, 11:37 on eclips time. Just after 4 days I asked marriage question...It was too early to guess where a relationship might lead so I wanted to ask to the heavens...I agree with you that this relation still has more to go through. Thank you, best wishes...
 

Arian

Active member
IMO, those kinds of questions would be better answered by a synastric analysis of the charts of both persons.
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Here is the synastry chart...Some of the aspects are:
1) A's Sun, moon and neptune conjuct B's Ascendant.
2) A's vertex conjucts B's descendant.
3) B's vertex opposes A's Venus.
3) A's saturn conjucts B's Venus and north node.
 

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tikana

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Arian

this is a horary board ... stick with horary .. if you want to discuss synastry, we got a board for that.. as far as i can tell... horary can [retty much nail what is to come .. synastry only shows comparability not an event if it will take place or not

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