But what I am asking is if Sagitarius is rising at 25 and jupiter is in taurus the hour ruler is venus is that an indication that the chart is radical. Or for the chart to be radical the ascendant would need to be Taurus, Cancer, Libra, Scorpio, Pisces or the PH would need to be Sun, mars, or jupiter?
So for some reason when I asked the question if was not correct corrallary then it is not fit to read? Hmm ...well...
Remember, I do not use the PH to determine whether or not the horary chart is radical.
HOWEVER, lets look at the above circumstances as if we were looking for PH agreement:
-using the allocation of PH to element of -or planetary ruler of -the rising sign ONLY (the way it was done by oldtime horarists like Bonatti) then, no there is no PH agreement here because:
a) Venus, the PH, is of Water element and the rising sign, Sagittarius is of Fire element.
and
b) Venus, the PH, is NOT ruler of the rising sign, Sagittarius
For our friends who want to use agreement of the PH with the rising sign in horary, really this is the simplest way to do it.
Now, lets look at this example using the triplicity addendum method which I described in my earlier post in this thread:
-the planet of the PH must be posited in a sign which is of the same elemental triplicity as the ascending sign: for example, suppose Venus is the PH, and that Venus happens to be posited in Aries: Sagittarius, a Fire sign like Aries, rises: therefore agreement (by the triplicity method) between the PH and the rising sign exists
-but in the example posted, the ruler of the rising sign, Jupter, is posited in the Earth sign of Taurus, and we don't know where the PH planet, Venus, is posited (from the information given) So, by this triplicity method, we don't know whether or not the chart is in agreement with the PH.
For our friends who want to use PH/ascending sign agreement in horary, I suggest forgetting about this triplicity method, because it can get too complicated and confusing.