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Liz Greens Astrology Psychology
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Lissa
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Hi Shining,
I really don't know what to do but I think Liz Greene wanted her birth data to be protected.There was a bit of a mess in the Astrodiesnt forum with this,the moderators deleted some posts because some people were talking about her chart.I personally have never read a book by hers(I was soooo close to buying the book"Saturn" for a fairly cheap price at a book fair in Lisbon but a man got to the book first,believe it or not if I had got there1minute earlier I would have got the book,me and the man got to the books at the same time but I started looking at the horary books and so he found the book before,it was the last copy they had!!!Darn it,my Mars in Gemini felt like killing the man with one of the other books),I understand that she is very well-known and well loved by the astrology students so I understand there must be lots of people curious about what her chart,on the other hand I also think it's important to respect people's privacy.I'm quite biased about this but you're the moderator so you decide.
All the best,
Lissa
I really don't know what to do but I think Liz Greene wanted her birth data to be protected.There was a bit of a mess in the Astrodiesnt forum with this,the moderators deleted some posts because some people were talking about her chart.I personally have never read a book by hers(I was soooo close to buying the book"Saturn" for a fairly cheap price at a book fair in Lisbon but a man got to the book first,believe it or not if I had got there1minute earlier I would have got the book,me and the man got to the books at the same time but I started looking at the horary books and so he found the book before,it was the last copy they had!!!Darn it,my Mars in Gemini felt like killing the man with one of the other books),I understand that she is very well-known and well loved by the astrology students so I understand there must be lots of people curious about what her chart,on the other hand I also think it's important to respect people's privacy.I'm quite biased about this but you're the moderator so you decide.
All the best,
Lissa
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StarNur
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Ive read some Liz Greene articles. Have one of her books which I havent been able to get into yet. Im however not a big fan of her writing. Maybe this is because I'm not a big fan of alot of the stuff out there in the field of psychology? She comes with fascinating ideas, but I don't necessarily beileve them. Actually I find some of her interpretations to be more unnecessarily focused on the negatives, most of which I don't believe to be an issue, than positives.
Her Sun is conjunct my Saturn.
Her Saturn is opposite my Mercury
Her Sun is quincunx my Sun.
Her NN is square my NN.
Her Pluto is opposite my Sun.
Her Moon is conjunct my Venus.
Her Uranus opposite my Venus
Her Sun is conjunct my Saturn.
Her Saturn is opposite my Mercury
Her Sun is quincunx my Sun.
Her NN is square my NN.
Her Pluto is opposite my Sun.
Her Moon is conjunct my Venus.
Her Uranus opposite my Venus
Shining Ray, I'm a Liz Greene fan too. I have almost all her books, although a few are too myth-oriented and dense for me (at least they were--I should reread them now). I consider her Saturn book one of the best on that planet. Also insightful is the book, The Outer Planets and their Cycles, a collection of lectures given in the early 80's, which in one she predicts the collapse of the Soviet Union, years before it happened.
I was also lucky enough to attend one of her lectures and she's as impressive as a speaker as she is an astrologer and writer.
I was also lucky enough to attend one of her lectures and she's as impressive as a speaker as she is an astrologer and writer.
I just scanned my bookcase and counted 10 Liz Greene books, some of them co-authored with others. Astrology for Lovers is probably the only book I don't have.
As a Pisces you may appreciate this quote from her "Dynamics of the Unconscious" book.
"I don't think I would call Pisces bitter. But world-weariness is perhaps an appropriate description. By the time one has got to the end of the zodiac, one has seen it all. There is a quality of sadness in Pisces, which is possibly one of the chief motivations toward the search for transcendent meaning which is so powerful in this sign. It is as though Pisces carries within it the experiences of the previous eleven signs and has lost the capacity to get attached to any one path or object in life. This melancholy quality is innate, although it is not melancholy in the Capricorn way--it is more a quest or a higher and deeper reality which can make sense of the transience of earthly life. It is this sadness, and an innate empathy with all suffering life, which creates such a fund of compassion in Pisces."
And that really does describe the sign's sadness and, at times, weariness. This Pisces, with Sun, Mercury, Mars there, was dragging herself around tonight, feeling unmotivated, until I began flipping through Greene's books again.
My astrology books are a treasured part of my library but I haven't read them in many years. Looks as if it's time to start--with Liz Greene of course. Thanks for the reminder.
As a Pisces you may appreciate this quote from her "Dynamics of the Unconscious" book.
"I don't think I would call Pisces bitter. But world-weariness is perhaps an appropriate description. By the time one has got to the end of the zodiac, one has seen it all. There is a quality of sadness in Pisces, which is possibly one of the chief motivations toward the search for transcendent meaning which is so powerful in this sign. It is as though Pisces carries within it the experiences of the previous eleven signs and has lost the capacity to get attached to any one path or object in life. This melancholy quality is innate, although it is not melancholy in the Capricorn way--it is more a quest or a higher and deeper reality which can make sense of the transience of earthly life. It is this sadness, and an innate empathy with all suffering life, which creates such a fund of compassion in Pisces."
And that really does describe the sign's sadness and, at times, weariness. This Pisces, with Sun, Mercury, Mars there, was dragging herself around tonight, feeling unmotivated, until I began flipping through Greene's books again.
My astrology books are a treasured part of my library but I haven't read them in many years. Looks as if it's time to start--with Liz Greene of course. Thanks for the reminder.
Lunar Pisces
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As a norm, birth times are a matter of public record so we don't really get to say much about "protecting" our own data. We can ask people to be discreet and respectful in terms of using that data. In Greene's case, she does have power over whether that data is posted on her own site, but I'm afraid anywhere else is beyond her control. She certainly can ask people to be respectful - and I think in most cases that request would be heeded.
On the other hand, I have serious issues with famous astrolgoers who try to hide their birth data yet freely acquire and interpret data of other famous people without those persons' consent. It's a bit hypocritical in my opinion. I don't know if that's a common tactic on Greene's part, but I definitely know many other astrologers who do that.
I like Greene a lot myself and have gotten a lot from her, but I wouldn't look to her as a sole source of astrological learning. I recommened you diversify your resources a bit more.
On the other hand, I have serious issues with famous astrolgoers who try to hide their birth data yet freely acquire and interpret data of other famous people without those persons' consent. It's a bit hypocritical in my opinion. I don't know if that's a common tactic on Greene's part, but I definitely know many other astrologers who do that.
I like Greene a lot myself and have gotten a lot from her, but I wouldn't look to her as a sole source of astrological learning. I recommened you diversify your resources a bit more.
I agree--it's very hypocritical to freely examine other's charts but hide your own.Lunar Pisces said:
Who would you recommend besides Liz Greene? I haven't bought astrology books in ages since I now learn by doing but some oldies but goodies for me are Donna Cunningham, Joanne Wickenburg, and Tracy Marks.
starlink
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Hello there Spin! I can highly recommend Stephen Arroyo, he is fabulous and it is marvellous to read. Most of his books have workshop parts in them which is great because you get all these questions (you have yourself) and answers from him. Great astrologer, really. I have:
1. Astrology, psychology and the four elements (an energy approach to astrology and it's use in the counseling arts)
2. Relationships and life cycles
3. Astrology, Karma and Transformation
4. The practice and profession of Astrology and
5. Practicing the cosmic Science (which is actually the same book as no.4, but it expands the scope of the subjects considered and has an update on observatons on developments that seem increasingly important today, such as the extensive use of computers in astrology, new astrological methods and interpretive factors that he has come to regard as extraordinarily important, from the perspective of over 30 years experience in his field.) So maybe better to buy this one.
Also on my favorite lists are all books from Marion March and Joan McEvers
(The only way to...Learn Astrology, Volumes I,II & III-
Excellent for beginners and advanced students alike.
1. Astrology, psychology and the four elements (an energy approach to astrology and it's use in the counseling arts)
2. Relationships and life cycles
3. Astrology, Karma and Transformation
4. The practice and profession of Astrology and
5. Practicing the cosmic Science (which is actually the same book as no.4, but it expands the scope of the subjects considered and has an update on observatons on developments that seem increasingly important today, such as the extensive use of computers in astrology, new astrological methods and interpretive factors that he has come to regard as extraordinarily important, from the perspective of over 30 years experience in his field.) So maybe better to buy this one.
Also on my favorite lists are all books from Marion March and Joan McEvers
(The only way to...Learn Astrology, Volumes I,II & III-
Excellent for beginners and advanced students alike.
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StarNur
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Re: recommendations
Shining Ray,
my only LG book is the one you need. I usually buy my astrology books second hand, and I found "The Astrology of Fate" for $2 at a second hand store. Even though I don't agree with some of her ideas, I still like to know the other points of views and theories out there.
The reason I probably don't own her other books is because from what Ive read from her so far I get the impression that she writes in a way to convince (or brainwash) the reader of what their problems are. I do feel like I learn a great deal from her writing. Shes very knowledgeable in astrology. But then I feel the other portion of her writing is BS; mainly her connections to different schools of psychological thought. Well, even if I find some of her examples to be way off and unnecessarily depressing at times I do find I can still extrapolate other meanings from them.
Shining Ray,
my only LG book is the one you need. I usually buy my astrology books second hand, and I found "The Astrology of Fate" for $2 at a second hand store. Even though I don't agree with some of her ideas, I still like to know the other points of views and theories out there.
The reason I probably don't own her other books is because from what Ive read from her so far I get the impression that she writes in a way to convince (or brainwash) the reader of what their problems are. I do feel like I learn a great deal from her writing. Shes very knowledgeable in astrology. But then I feel the other portion of her writing is BS; mainly her connections to different schools of psychological thought. Well, even if I find some of her examples to be way off and unnecessarily depressing at times I do find I can still extrapolate other meanings from them.
Natasha
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Its true Liz Greene does not reveal her birth chart. I only know of one discussion she had about her birth chart which talks about how she got into astrology.
She discussed transits & progressions.
If you work backwards thru the ephemerous from what she said you can figure out her chart. It is possible that her chart was constucted that way.
Whatever she is a fabulous astrologer & has done a lot for psychological astrology. While Howard Sapportas was alive they produced some amazing books & lectures. But now she continues to write wonderful books & give amazing seminars.
Whatever her birth details she has made an amazing contribution to astrology.
She discussed transits & progressions.
If you work backwards thru the ephemerous from what she said you can figure out her chart. It is possible that her chart was constucted that way.
Whatever she is a fabulous astrologer & has done a lot for psychological astrology. While Howard Sapportas was alive they produced some amazing books & lectures. But now she continues to write wonderful books & give amazing seminars.
Whatever her birth details she has made an amazing contribution to astrology.
Nexus7
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I have seen that Liz Greene does not as a rule talk about her chart, and I did read her recount of what happened regarding her first reading in The Astrology of Fate.
Another astrologer who wrote extensively about other people and their charts whilst keeping her own data secret was Linda Goodman.
So it can happen and does beg the question of how such a person relates to the power implicit in having full knowledge of another's chart, whilst remaining inscrutable themselves. I have read Liz Greene's 'live' scripts of where she reads for members in her audiences and workshops and did conclude that I would not be signing up for one myself, whilst still very much enjoying her books. I can relate to what someone here commented about the potential here for being virtualy brainwashed and would rather now trust my own insights on my own chart than those imposed by any self-styled guru.
I do can understand why some people might get secretive about their charts. I have had experiences myself that mean now that I still do not feel ready to be too open about my chart in any great hurry again. Perhaps Liz Greene was so deeply hurt by that original astrologer that on some level, she never really got over it?
I believe she also might have kept her own data under wraps in order to maintain her profesional distance, in the way a counsellor looks exclusively at the issues of the client, rather than allow the client to project or use unduly what they know of the counsellor.
I do not agree with her perspective on a lot of things either, although reading her book 'Relating' at a tender age was a real eye-opener. I think there are always wonderful insighs to be had from all her books, but I would not necessarily want to buy into her philosophy and take on things at all times.To give a small example, in The Astrology of Fate: I thought her piece on autism in the family, for example, was fascinating on some levels, but incredibly flawed in others - and the Mercury/Saturn square she produced for her subject with autism was one of the most extraordinary-looking squares I have ever seen. Somehow, I don't think her views on the topic would win her many friends amongst autism lobbyists nowadays, either but then to be fair, the book was written maybe before Bettelheim's views were discounted.
I recently bought her book on Uranus and noted the way she confronted one participant for being Uranian in a negative sense by not 'counting' a trine because the orb was considered too wide. Liz Greene very much in the drivng seat again.....
Another astrologer who wrote extensively about other people and their charts whilst keeping her own data secret was Linda Goodman.
So it can happen and does beg the question of how such a person relates to the power implicit in having full knowledge of another's chart, whilst remaining inscrutable themselves. I have read Liz Greene's 'live' scripts of where she reads for members in her audiences and workshops and did conclude that I would not be signing up for one myself, whilst still very much enjoying her books. I can relate to what someone here commented about the potential here for being virtualy brainwashed and would rather now trust my own insights on my own chart than those imposed by any self-styled guru.
I do can understand why some people might get secretive about their charts. I have had experiences myself that mean now that I still do not feel ready to be too open about my chart in any great hurry again. Perhaps Liz Greene was so deeply hurt by that original astrologer that on some level, she never really got over it?
I believe she also might have kept her own data under wraps in order to maintain her profesional distance, in the way a counsellor looks exclusively at the issues of the client, rather than allow the client to project or use unduly what they know of the counsellor.
I do not agree with her perspective on a lot of things either, although reading her book 'Relating' at a tender age was a real eye-opener. I think there are always wonderful insighs to be had from all her books, but I would not necessarily want to buy into her philosophy and take on things at all times.To give a small example, in The Astrology of Fate: I thought her piece on autism in the family, for example, was fascinating on some levels, but incredibly flawed in others - and the Mercury/Saturn square she produced for her subject with autism was one of the most extraordinary-looking squares I have ever seen. Somehow, I don't think her views on the topic would win her many friends amongst autism lobbyists nowadays, either but then to be fair, the book was written maybe before Bettelheim's views were discounted.
I recently bought her book on Uranus and noted the way she confronted one participant for being Uranian in a negative sense by not 'counting' a trine because the orb was considered too wide. Liz Greene very much in the drivng seat again.....