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Re: Confused by the 12th House.

Actually, once you've determined the moment of birth by whatever means, the ascendant point will be identical in all house systems. It may be co-equal with the first house cusp (quadrant and equal house systems) or it may not be (whole signs house system.)

The ascendant degree moves (if I recall correctly) about every 3 minutes, so as long as the birth can be pegged to a couple of minutes, the ascendant degree probably won't change that much. If the birth window of time is longer, it probably won't be a huge deal for most astrological techniques unless the ascendant is right on the cusp

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Re: Confused by the 12th House.

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Right, exactly. There is no consensus among astrologers about how to determine the exact moment of birth.
And that was my original point.
It makes no sense to quibble about various house cusps when there is such inconsistency in determine the time of birth.
Without a reliable time of birth there is no reliable ascendant
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