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Car fire ... who did that to me?

Hello

I haven't visited this forum for a really long time, basically i lost all my astrology knowledge due to unusing it...

I have two really important questions, but as i know it can't be asked at the same time, so I'm choosing this one...
I don't even know in which section to put it...
A bit more than two months ago, somebody put my car on fire...
I wan't to know WHO (ordered, because we have on camera two man doing it, but anyway all I want to know is who paid someone to do that) and why...

Please, help me find out.
Since that moment everything in my life's been destroyed... My relationship (lived together) fell apart, i basically don't recognise myself anymore...
Somebody made something really bad to me, that's pure evil, and till today I don't know who.

I really hope that I managed making chart, since I forgot it.




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Re: Car fire ... who did that to me?

This looks like a better question for Mundane.


Please post the chart of the day your cars got burned.
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Re: Car fire ... who did that to me?

Dear OP:

I won't get into the explicits. I see that you've forgotten about astrology in general. However, I can see that basically what happened was that your partner hired family members to set fire to your car for a seeming revenge. This can be verified if your partner is a foreigner to yourself or her/his family comes from a different country or ethnic background.

I have to go back and explain this better. I cannot glean his motive but betrayal seems to be the motive. Anger. His brothers or cousins did this or helped. You will see him again soon. I would be cautious when encountering him again this week.

This is an inside job and the perpetrators are those that you know. I won't say anymore as this is giving me a headache.

So your partner is L2 = last aspecting in 3rd house. Your had previously formed a with and souther node. So this shows depression, probably sudden, which rules your fourth house, so we can see that home life recently has been very troublesome and unsettled. With recently perfecting with in your third house of relatives, and L1 and L12 = , the latter of which has moved into your 7th house, shows your secret enemies are really people whom you know. They are related to your partner. The next aspects and next aspects both perfecting at 20 telling me that it's all related. So your enemies are in your general area (obviously) but you are related to them as this is the third house. is in the third house. This very well be about money or possessions, and I'm sensing this is more about drugs and money than just money as Scorpio, ruler of all poisons and noxious watery fluids, medicines, etc. rules the second and your is in your ex's house of possessions.

So this is, from what I'm getting here, about issues of drugs and/or money related to your ex and yourself and this is a revenge situation for not honoring or thievery as plays a strong role here. By essential dignity this supports this assessment.
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Re: Car fire ... who did that to me?

Moons in the 8th, did your ex partner (or even yourself) owe anyone any money ? Suns also in the 8th in the detriment of mars (the fire) which has opposed jupiter from the 9th. Mars in gemini would be the 'two people' who did it, you speak of.

Mars rules 2nd and 7th, so someone known to you...and once again to do with money.
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Moons in the 8th, did your ex partner (or even yourself) owe anyone any money ? Suns also in the 8th in the detriment of mars (the fire) which has opposed jupiter from the 9th. Mars in gemini would be the 'two people' who did it, you speak of.

Mars rules 2nd and 7th, so someone known to you...and once again to do with money.
A bit off-topic, but this kind of question can be answer with horary? I thought the chart of the day it happened worked...
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A bit off-topic, but this kind of question can be answer with horary? I thought the chart of the day it happened worked...
Yes horary can answer this kind of question.

But also a chart of he moment works too, i suppose it depends on what the person prefers to use. Id personally use them both alongside each other.
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Thanks. I suppose the event chart will work better for me, since it already happened and also the horary chart is late. Need to wait for the OP's reply though.
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Put the q on skyscrpt horary board
It wouldn't matter if there is no feedback from OP. It's a bit disheartening to not get feedback since no one is getting paid for this.

These forums are great areas to try out new techniques or new approaches before taking them to other arenas.

Anyway, just was going through and noticed the lack of feedback from OPs.
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A bit off-topic, but this kind of question can be answer with horary? I thought the chart of the day it happened worked...
Yeah. That would be great, too. Ultimately, an event chart would simply be the transits of the day and hour. You could then use your system of choice with the transits, e.g., solar arcs, primary, secondary, tertiary progressions, etc. So there is great variety to this "knowing" what happened with astrology. However, it appears that the exact time is unknown by OP, which then favors a horary chart.
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Also, I added some more "astrology" to flesh it out for you.
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Re: Car fire ... who did that to me?

@peace pipe smoker

Do you think it looks like it was money related, "money owed" ? Mars/fire ruling 2nd and 7th her ex.
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Do you think it looks like it was money related, "money owed" ? Mars/fire ruling 2nd and 7th her ex.
Hahah! Ahoy there! I almost didn't catch this post. Yeah. Definitely. Money is involved. This is like money/drug money/ etc. and I see the Ex being very involved in this. For sure. But I also think that she has played a role, too. And that probably led to the split.

All of this is unsavory stuff, so if we don't get a response from OP, then we are probably right about all of this as OP's response would have to be a negative. Otherwise, she pleads the 5th by not responding

Thanks for replying/asking!

One more thing: with the involvement of in 9th, I see that there is also an underlying motive of racial/religious tensions involved or something to that effect.
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One more thing: with the involvement of in 9th, I see that there is also an underlying motive of racial/religious tensions involved or something to that effect.
Yes! And especially with the opposition to jupiter, the natural ruler of 9th house things.
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Yes! And especially with the opposition to jupiter, the natural ruler of 9th house things.
Yes! Absolutely! I agree. It's confirming or solidifying that "truth."
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Yeah. That would be great, too. Ultimately, an event chart would simply be the transits of the day and hour. You could then use your system of choice with the transits, e.g., solar arcs, primary, secondary, tertiary progressions, etc. So there is great variety to this "knowing" what happened with astrology. However, it appears that the exact time is unknown by OP, which then favors a horary chart.
She said that she had footage of two men doing it, so I think she can dig up the footage and look at the timestamp.


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One more thing: with the involvement of in 9th, I see that there is also an underlying motive of racial/religious tensions involved or something to that effect.

Do you think it has something to do with her relative, with the Mars/Jupiter opposition? Mars also sextile Merc. Maybe the cousin was secretly angry because he was discriminated against because of his race so he went for the arson?


Also I wonder how her life was ruined so drastically. It was just a car
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Re: Car fire ... who did that to me?

Hi, hi I'm hereee
Thanks a lot!
I was checking but there was no reply at all so I fell asleep... it's different time zone here...

I must tell you that i'm not so surprised with you replies, but in my next post I'll reply one by one...

I just have a question first, what do you mean my ex?
I have a partner for 5 years, ok- now everything definetely falls appart, for this reason i guess the most- I wouldn't say it's him! Not at all!
First of all he loves my car, and basically he is a coward, after this he got so afraid of my being in his appartment.
This happend in front of the building where we lived together...
But somehow (even though everybody think I'm crazy for thinking that) i though for so many times that it can come from the only person who hates me and who wanted to separete us - his father! He sucesseded ...

I'll post here chart of exact time (on our cameras) i hope it's not a problem if it's a minute wrong... And i'll tell you that there we can see that two men are doing it... hidden faces ofc.

So the chart of exact moment(the time on camera should be 6 mins running ahead, so i put 6 mins less than camera):


Guys, I can't thank you enough for this...
This became so hard for people who are doing investigation to find out, and I'm really sad about every other thing which happened sfter this ... I'm very sad, honestly... My life fell appart.

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Re: Car fire ... who did that to me?

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Dear OP:I won't say anymore as this is giving me a headache.
This wins!
I have headaches for more than 2 months

So, let me start from here...
First of all thank you dear Cypocryphy for your reply...
It means a world to me...
As I told already this is now the most important thing for me...
Also, I guess the chart is quite interesting, because the event is completely unusual, this is rare thing to happen.

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I can see that basically what happened was that your partner hired family members to set fire to your car for a seeming revenge.
I wouldn't say HE hired, I know that he loves me, but what I thought is that somebody did this for a reason- to separate us...
One person (his dad) hates me for unknown reason, and tried for sooo many times to destroy our relationship in different ways, unsuccessfull, so this might be the winning way.
Why I'm so suspicious- after this, his dad said sooo many untrue stuff about me, my family... My boy (ex, whatever) believes in those stuff...
The investigation is still on, but the police totally put aside my family, and thinks that this is close to his family... That it's for them some kind of note but trough me.
My boy, and his family refuses to believe in that, and they're categotically saying that they don't have any problem, or money problems, or whatever...
That is also SO suspissious to me. Honestly.

It would be so bad, and really sick that this is done by his family member, but maybe they have some money debt which they don't want to tell me...

You say I know the person... Can you go closer to it?
Is there a way to describe him/her? Phisically? The connection to us (him or me)?

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This can be verified if your partner is a foreigner to yourself or her/his family comes from a different country or ethnic background.
by this you mean if he is from another country etc.? nope. he is not. The same city.

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You will see him again soon. I would be cautious when encountering him again this week.
Can you say something more about this? So, I'll see the persone who did this to me this week...?
Is there a way to see WHEN i had contact with that person? Before or after the accident... Maybe this would help me a lot.


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This is an inside job and the perpetrators are those that you know.
Of this I'm so affraid, it's creepy.

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shows your secret enemies are really people whom you know. They are related to your partner.
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The next aspects and next aspects both perfecting at 20 telling me that it's all related. So your enemies are in your general area (obviously) but you are related to them as this is the third house. is in the third house. This very well be about money or possessions, and I'm sensing this is more about drugs and money than just money as Scorpio, ruler of all poisons and noxious watery fluids, medicines, etc. rules the second and your is in your ex's house of possessions.
drugs money?
both me and my partner are coming from a normal family, not connected to any sort of crime...
Can that money be the money guys who did the fire got from a person who hired them?


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So this is, from what I'm getting here, about issues of drugs and/or money related to your ex and yourself and this is a revenge situation for not honoring or thievery as plays a strong role here. By essential dignity this supports this assessment.
from this i can see it can be the fact that someone bought drugs but didn't pay, right? I really don't use that stuff...
But then It can't be a family member...

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Moons in the 8th, did your ex partner (or even yourself) owe anyone any money ?
I don't. He shouldn't be owing also, but maybe there's something I don't know.

The most surprisingly reaction is that he gets so angry whenever there's a moment that somehow this is connected to him...
Even now when we are not in the best relation, when we 'try' to speak about us, he begin again that story about me thinking that he is maybe related, and that just my car was more available for this (that's the true fact, his was in the garage, mine on the street, that's the building where i was living with him, and his dad lives there, too... )

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and I see the Ex being very involved in this. For sure. But I also think that she has played a role, too. And that probably led to the split.
I didn't understand this... my role

Also this I didn't understand
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Also I wonder how her life was ruined so drastically. It was just a car
you can't imagine how people can be cruell


You know what, since his (my boy, ex, however you see it) reaction is so bad, maybe it can be ordered by him as a reason for break up? How crazy that would be :shocked:

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I don't know what this is


Btw, would it be helpfull to make horary about our relationship/breakup?

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Re: Car fire ... who did that to me?

Strange... your event chart is telling a different story from the horary chart.


With 3H Merc ruled the Des, I'd say the two men were your neighbors or close relatives. There are so many things in your 2H here, including your MC's ruler conj Moon. I'd say they did it because someone paid them, probably someone very close to them (Venus/Moon) and whom they considered an authority (Saturn). Mars in 5H indicates a need to shine. Mars also trines Saturn. Maybe they were trying to prove their worth to the "authority" guy. But I think they weren't in the right mind when they did it, they were probably too clouded by their emotion or did it on impulse (Pisces Merc conj Aries Chiron).


The incident caused some really violent changes in your home life (29 deg Aries Uranus in 4H) and your finance (2H Venus square Uranus). But 8H Cancer NN opposing Saturn/Pluto suggests you should dig deep into yourself and people around you to find out the cause of this incident. Maybe it will have a lot to do with your home life, things that you aren't aware to exist. You need to make some really big change in order to recover. With Saturn conjunct SN, I have a feeling the "authority" guy is pretty close to you, and you need some real talk with him. The conversation has to be on an empathetic ground though.
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Re: Car fire ... who did that to me?

Oh wow...
That is strange a lot...

I mean ... it's all possible...
Tell me something do you mean home where i live with my family or where i lived with him? Since i'm not married.

Is there anything closer like describtion?

How can I realise who did this... ?
I must say that I'm personally not in conflict with anybody, I don't have many ex's , they are all married and we are quite ok. I never cheated or similar to get the revenge.

It's so hard to realise who is...
It's not easy to accuse, especcially with no proff ...
I haven't been threthened , or i got note after that.

Is there possible way to see when i had personal /phisical contact to the person who ordered?
Or some closer connection to me/or the boy.

So this was for me personally? Not a mistake? Not for a boyfriend or his family?

The strange thing is that it happened in front of his building, not my family home(to think that maybe is for mh family)

Is it a man or woman?

And the reason is money or?
Why money ...
Maybe our break up?

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But 8H Cancer NN opposing Saturn/Pluto suggests you should dig deep into yourself and people around you to find out the cause of this incident.
Usually when things like this happen, everybody are like you must know who did it... But I really, honestly, don't



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Can you explain this? About recovery, home life, things i don't know exist , also about this guy... We will have talk? He'll tell?

Since that event i do not longer live there.

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Tell me something do you mean home where i live with my family or where i lived with him? Since i'm not married.
Where do you feel more intimate? The 4H is the place you feel safe.


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I must say that I'm personally not in conflict with anybody, I don't have many ex's , they are all married and we are quite ok. I never cheated or similar to get the revenge.


Is there possible way to see when i had personal /phisical contact to the person who ordered?
Or some closer connection to me/or the boy.
You did say something about a dad being zealous. Maybe that's him? Try to remember who doesn't seem to be so nice to you. With the NN involved I think this is a matter that has been going on for quite a while without you noticing.


May I ask, do you happen to be a very ambitious person?


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So this was for me personally? Not a mistake? Not for a boyfriend or his family?

The one who ordered the arson might have something personal with you, but not the two guys committing the act. They may have (Merc square Jupiter), but that is a very weak link. They are more concerned with pleasing the "authority" (Merc sextiles Moon and Venus)



Mars in 5H can also mean the arson was to crush your pride. Is there any significance with the car? Like I said before, it was just a car. There have to be something about the car that triggered so much negativity after it burned down.


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If I was a trad I would say that was a man. But I'm not a trad so my option is open
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Gem can you post the event chart plz.
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Re: Car fire ... who did that to me?

This all is very interesting...

If it's his dad...
I didn't do a thing. He is just so strange person, he doesn't like people, or any woman at all... He got left by mom of my boy(ex), he got left by other woman, he is inconflict with one of his sons, with all of his brothers etc... He ia incidental person (sorry if some of my words is not right, but u'll get what i mean)...
To get back to me: i didn't gave him any reason except for loving his son. I'm the weakest spot of his son, and sooo many times he tried to separate us (by trying to connect him with other wonen, talking bad about me).
About car: before this one i drove really old car, his dad was ashamed by it... when i bought new one - he waa the only person who wasn't happy.

Tell me something, the men who ordered, was he also at that place when that happen? For example if it's his dad, then he was in his appartment in the same building...

I'm ambitious, in a good way . Yes.
I'm also very persuasive, and stubborn, that's why i'm trying to find the guilty one with all my power.

About the pride...
Yes it was just the car, but the stories after (which my boy told me and got it from dad) were horrible... Started with only criminals are getting their car burned, untill some really nasty stuff about my family, and so many lies about family jobs, etc...
Really bad bad bad stuff, to make me feel horrible.





I have one really important question: is police gonna find out who did & who ordered that? Are they gonna find proof?
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Gem can you post the event chart plz.

Didn't I?
Tell me what am I doing wrong...
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