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How important is the chart ruler's position?

My chart ruler Saturn is in my first house with Neptune and Uranus, all retrograde. I'm struggling to shed light on the role of the chart ruler - can having this placement have an upside?
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My chart ruler Saturn is in my first house with Neptune and Uranus, all retrograde.
I'm struggling to shed light on the role of the chart ruler - can having this placement have an upside?
There are different methods of determining a chart ruler
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Re: How important is the chart ruler's position?

What would my chart ruler be otherwise? I thought it was the ruler of the rising sign.
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What would my chart ruler be otherwise?

I thought it was the ruler of the rising sign.
Not necessarily

an alternative discussed at
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Almutem Figuris is an old doctrine
where one planet according to certain calculations applied,
receives the honors to be the Ruler or Lord of the Chart.


Robert Zoler had applied the therm AlmuteM instead of AlmuteN
in order to differentiate
the Lord of the Chart
from the Lord of certain house
or place in the natal chart
such as Almuten Domus (Ruler of a House).


The word Almutes is an Arabian word which means 'Winner'.
Because, the planet is the Winner of all the 'life giving' places.
Or the places which are most sensible and important in the natal figure.


The method which we'll use here I call Ezra/Zoller method.
Arabian Astrologer Ibn Ezra (1089 1164) was the first (as far as we at this moment are aware)
to explicitely wrote about calculating the Almutem Figuris.


In his writings Zoller trace the beginnings of this Almutem Figuris and he found it in the writings of Iambichus (c. 245c. 325) who was Syrian neo-platonic philosopher who wrote also about Astrology in his writings.
Iambicus in his work "Theurgy or on the mysteries of Egypt" speaks about the thing how one can change his fate. He speaks that he can do that through Theurgy and through personal relationship with the Lord of the Geniture of which he (Iambichus) only says that can be known through Astrology, but he didn't explained the method.
Zoller, tracing back the Ibn Ezra's ancestry, through the Sabaeans and his teachers (Mashallah and other) all the way to the first centuries where this doctrine was thought. Because of that line Zoller thinks that the Lord of the Geniture of which Iambichus speaks in his writings is in fact the Almutem Figuris of the Ibn Ezra.

Iambichus speaks (through the name of Porphyry) about the Peculiar Daimon, that is some kind of an Guardian Angel and it is conected to the personal soul but its not the same
Here's what Iambichus says in his Theurgy:
This [daimon] therefore is present as an exemplar before the souls descend into the realm of generated existence. As soon as the soul chooses him for leader the [daimon] immediately comes into charge of completing of its vital endowments and when it descends into the body it unites with the body and becomes the guardian of it common living principle. He likewise directs the the private life of the soul and
whatever the conclusions we may arrive at by inference and reasoning he himself imparts to us the principles."


Zoller about the Almutem Figuris says that it is equally as powerful as all the other planets taken together."

Benjamin Dykes (great student of Zoller) says about Almutem Figuris:
"Almutem Figuris, a powerful planet in the natal figure whose spirit or angel acts as the native's special link to the Divine. The Almutem Figuris is a spiritual astrological delineation, similar to but not the same as Lilly's the "Lord of the Geniture." But like Lilly (and Plato), the Almutem Figuris was taken to affect the native's thoughts, beliefs and character. Spiritual enlightenment can demand that we open our eyes to this particular planet and use it to access the Divine. Significantly, this is a function that many modern astrologers now attribute to the sun sign." (In his article on Happiness).

The method of calculation

1. Find the Essential Dignities (the 5 dignities, apply 3 points to all 3 triplicity rulers), in the Degree of the:
- Sun
- Moon
- Ascendant
- Part of Fortune
- Syzygy (the prenatal lunation, the one that came last, i.e. after which the birth follows - New or Full Moon).

2. Add 7 points for the Day ruler and 6 points to the Hour ruler.

3. Add accidental dignities scores.

For the planet in 1st house you add 12 points.
10th house = 11 points
7th house = 10
4th house = 9
11th = 8
5th = 7
2nd = 6
9th = 5
8th = 4
3rd = 3
12th = 2
6th = 1

The planet which has most points in the aforesaid places is the Almutem Figuris of the chart!

Don't forget to apply the 5 degrees ruler for the planet near the cusp of the houses. For example, if Saturn is at 15 Scorpio in 4th, but the 5th house cusp is at 19 Scorpio, you will calculate that Saturn already in the 5th, and you will give him 7 points instead of 9 as he would took if he was in 4th house. This can make big difference.

The free traditional astrology software - Morinus (google it), calcualte the Almutem Figuris. You can find this option by typing F3. But I should warn you that in that calculation is included some adding of points according to the planets phases. Zoller did not mention any kind of phases calculation so at this moment I'm not aware why the author of the software did included that.

But the best way and more enjoyable is to calculate it with your own hand. You will be familiar with the chart more deeply if you do this calculations with your own hand as the older astrologers did.
And if you must use the Morinus software than subtract the phases scores and you will get the Almutem Figuris right. All else is the same calculation as the Ezra/Zoller method.

Zoller gives short discriptions for every planet being Almutem Figuris:

Sun:
"If the Almuten figuris is the Sun, the native will want to lead, express his creative power and be recognized."

Moon:
"If the Moon, s/he will want to care for, be cared for, eat and make love, dream"

Mercury:
"If it is Mercury, s/he will be diligent in the sciences, business and communications"

Venus:
"Id it is Venus s/he will be a lover of beauty, of music, of men and women etc."

Mars:
"If it is Mars, s/he will fight in order to dominate"

Jupiter:
"If it is Jupiter, s/he will philosophize and teach"

Saturn:
"If it is Saturn he will retire from society, investigate hidden things and suffer adversity.""
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Re: How important is the chart ruler's position?

Do you know where I can read about how to understand the calculation? Or do you have any pointers, because I've no idea what triplicity rulers, day and hour rulers etc. means...
Surely there is a simpler way?

Do you think this method holds truer than the ruler of the asc being the chart ruler?

Also, any thoughts on my original post?
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Re: How important is the chart ruler's position?

I agree with Jupiterasc. There is a site somewhere that calculates it (maybe someone knows or I will try to find it). That's easier. But learning to do it is a good idea also. I am Gemini sun, Leo rising buy my chart ruler is my mars in Aries and makes sense sometimes there is just a stronger ruler.
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Re: How important is the chart ruler's position?

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Do you know where I can read about how to understand the calculation?

Or do you have any pointers,
because I've no idea what triplicity rulers, day and hour rulers etc. means...


ALMUTEM FIGURIS THREAD WITH WORKED EXAMPLES and discussion http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...593#post381593



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Surely there is a simpler way?

Do you think this method holds truer than the ruler of the asc being the chart ruler?

Also, any thoughts on my original post?
TRIPLICITIES ARTICLE http://www.skyscript.co.uk/triplicities.html


FINDING THE HOUR RULER
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85029


PLANETARY HOUR RULERS TABLE



explanation of above table http://www.skyscript.co.uk/hourrule.html
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I agree with Jupiterasc. There is a site somewhere that calculates it (maybe someone knows or I will try to find it).
That's easier.
But learning to do it is a good idea also
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I am Gemini sun, Leo rising buy my chart ruler is my mars in Aries and makes sense sometimes there is just a stronger ruler.
EASY CALCULATION online https://www.easycalculation.com/date...tary-hours.php
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Re: How important is the chart ruler's position?

Wow, ok cool. How did you calculate yours?

And what exactly does knowing it mean anyway, is it the most (or one of the most) important factors in a chart? I'm wondering what its role is.

I'd be keen to find out that its something other than Saturn...
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Not necessarily

an alternative discussed at
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...593#post381593
Thanks for the links, I'm almost there now but this part is a little tricky for me still, sorry. To clarify -
I was born under a third quarter phase moon, so my syzygy would be the full moon in Pisces 6 days before my birth, correct?
And according to your link re: triplicities, I'm giving three points to the three rulers of my sun sign, moon sign, asc, part of fortune and syzygy - that is the three day rulers because I was born in the day, disregarding the three night rulers?

And because this method seems old school, there's no chance my chart is ruled my Uranus, Neptune or Pluto?
Thanks again! I'm grateful for the suggestion of trying it this way.

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Thanks for the links, I'm almost there now but this part is a little tricky for me still, sorry. To clarify -
I was born under a third quarter phase moon, so my syzygy would be the full moon in Pisces 6 days before my birth, correct?
And according to your link re: triplicities, I'm giving three points to the three rulers of my sun sign, moon sign, asc, part of fortune and syzygy - that is the three day rulers because I was born in the day, disregarding the three night rulers?

And because this method seems old school, there's no chance my chart is ruled my Uranus, Neptune or Pluto?
Thanks again! I'm grateful for the suggestion of trying it this way.
Allow plenty of time to read and understand the Almutem thread I linked to
as it takes time to assimilate
and seasoned astrologers find new insight daily
your syzygy is the previous full moon before birth
disregard the night rulers for a day birth
traditionally the outers are out

It is worth exploring even if it takes time

more interesting reading for you on the subject
http://renaissance-astrology.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/guardian-angel-almuten-figuris.html
all the best


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