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Unread 08-05-2020, 10:19 PM
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Re: Why Do the Larger Population Areas Tend to Vote for the Democratic Candidates?

I did explain it but maybe I need to do it again to make some people understand. Kindly watch your tone with me Way Bread.

A LARGE percentage of the Democrat vote in the big cities are MINORITIES.

A LARGE percentage of the Democrat vote in the big cities are anti-religious, progressive population (gay, unconventional beliefs, more liberal....that's why a gay man from Utah will move to a big city for example).

But Republicans do fairly well in large cities where the population have strong family values, have a strong faith of some kind & are more conservative, don't believe in government handouts but believe in hard work & a value law & order.

This is why the electoral college is vital to the democracy.


The 'discussion' is really no more than you and David unable to explain why the Democrats won't do anything to curb the gun violence & other major crimes in the gang-filled Democrat-run cities. Good job we have Trump in power or else the entire country would be following New York's descent into death and destruction.

Protesters call for more policing amid rise in gun violence across NYC



After endless bloodshed, that message is now starting to break through - and some say City Hall isn't listening.

"First of all, he's in La La Land, he's living in a fantasy world right now," said Community Activist Tony Herbert, "Today the gloves come off. To this mayor, and I'll say it again - what's happening in New York City, the blood is on your hands."

https://abc7ny.com/shootings-nyc-bla...olice/6317066/








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So Blackbery, you still haven't explained why a majority of New Yorkers or other big city dwellers don't vote Republican more often. Wouldn't you imagine they want a safe city if things are as bad as you claim.

Can you?


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Unread 08-05-2020, 10:28 PM
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I did explain it but maybe I need to do it again to make some people understand.

A LARGE percentage of the Democrat vote in the big cities are MINORITIES.

A LARGE percentage of the Democrat vote in the big cities are anti-religious, progressive population (gay, fetish, drugs, etc).S

But Republicans do fairly well in large cities where the population have strong family values, are hardworking & don't believe in government handouts and value law & order.

This is why the electoral college is vital to the democracy.


The 'discussion' is really no more than you and David unable to explain why the Democrats won't do anything to curb the gun violence & other major crimes in the gang-filled Democrat-run cities. Good job we have Trump in power or else the entire country would be following New York's descent into death and destruction.

Protesters call for more policing amid rise in gun violence across NYC



After endless bloodshed, that message is now starting to break through - and some say City Hall isn't listening.

"First of all, he's in La La Land, he's living in a fantasy world right now," said Community Activist Tony Herbert, "Today the gloves come off. To this mayor, and I'll say it again - what's happening in New York City, the blood is on your hands."

https://abc7ny.com/shootings-nyc-bla...olice/6317066/
If the Electoral College is "vital to the democracy", then WHY HAVE THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND POPULAR VOTES MATCHED IN 31 OUT OF 32 OF THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS?
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TEN NEW LESS-POPULATED STATES were added to the Union, soon AFTER the 1888 mismatch between the Electoral and Popular votes. Hawaii and Alaska makes it TWELVE. That accounts for the CONTINUOUS AGREEMENT between the two types of votes, until 2016, when there was effective, ILLEGAL INTERFERENCE with the Swing-State voting. THAT can account for why the agreement didn't happen just that ONE TIME since the addition of so many less-populated States.

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We're talking about a majority of voters, Dirius.

Right now Donald Trump and his courtiers are populists.
That is not the definition of populism. You seem to have a tendency to make stuff up.

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1) Webster definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

Noun1.populism - the political doctrine that supports the rights and powers of the common people in their struggle with a priviliged elite.


2) Wikipedia entry: https://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Populism

Populism refers to a range of political stances that emphasise the idea of "the people" and often juxtapose this group against "the elite". A common framework for interpreting populism is known as the ideational approach: this defines populism as an ideology which presents "the people" as a morally good force and contrasts them against "the elite", who are portrayed as corrupt and self-serving.
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Populism is what the democrat party does.
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Had you considered that it's because Republicans actually don't give a hoot about the systemic, structural barriers to the success of visible minorities and the urban poor?
So after 60 years of "social policy" why are this communities still poor then?

The only structural barriers that exist are those created by the government, making entire societies dependant on it through government assistance.

The only people getting richer, through social policy, are the democrat senators and politicians.
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If Democrats want to abolish it, they can with an Amendment to the Constitution next time they have the power. They had it with Obama but didn't abolish it then.

The sore loser Democrats only ever bring up abolishing the Electoral College when they lose.



Of the 58 presidential elections in the history of the United States, 53 of the winners took both the Electoral College and the popular vote. But in five incredibly close elections—including those for two of the past three presidents—the winner of the Electoral College was in fact the loser of the popular vote.



https://www.history.com/news/preside...e-popular-vote




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If the Electoral College is "vital to the democracy", then WHY HAVE THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND POPULAR VOTES MATCHED IN 31 OUT OF 32 OF THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS?
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Nobody ever told a Democrat the following proverb:

give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.


They need to stop handing out the fishes & make people less dependent on the government and more reliant on themselves & their families. That is the only way a person will rise out of poverty. Other minorities have done it (Irish, Greek, Indian, Jews, Latin Americans).







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So after 60 years of "social policy" why are this communities still poor then?

The only structural barriers that exist are those created by the government, making entire societies dependant on it through government assistance.
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If Democrats want to abolish it, they can with an Amendment to the Constitution next time they have the power. They had it with Obama but didn't abolish it then.

The sore loser Democrats only ever bring up abolishing the Electoral College when they lose.



Of the 58 presidential elections in the history of the United States, 53 of the winners took both the Electoral College and the popular vote. But in five incredibly close elections—including those for two of the past three presidents—the winner of the Electoral College was in fact the loser of the popular vote.



https://www.history.com/news/preside...e-popular-vote
Nope. The FINAL vote count in Florida proved that GORE WON BOTH the National Electoral College vote AND the National Popular-vote. But Florida took so long to finish counting that the Republican-dominated Supreme Court AWARDED Bush Jr. a victory he didn't deserve.

Also, the addition of 10 new less-populated States AFTER the 1888 Election changed the ratio, and THAT is why there was an unbroken record of agreement between the Electoral and Popular votes until the illegal foreign interference in the 2016 Election.

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Blackbery, the term "Democrat plantation" was probably coined by right-wing African Americans to shame their fellow African Americans. The phrase has boomeranged, and not to the credit of people who use it.

Maybe you can explain how Democrats established a co-dependency relationship with African Americans, who equally wish to limit crime in their neighborhoods.

We should pause for a moment, and note that a sizeable percentage of African Americans are middle income/middle class. It's on Wikipedia.

You seem to equate "Black" with inner city poverty, which is a very partial picture.

Does this change your idea about Black dependency on the Democratic party?

It should, it you're somehow assuming African American voters cannot and will not think for themselves.
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Nobody ever told a Democrat the following proverb:

give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.


They need to stop handing out the fishes & make people less dependent on the government and more reliant on themselves & their families. That is the only way a person will rise out of poverty. Other minorities have done it (Irish, Greek, Indian, Jews, Latin Americans).
Oh, c'mon, blackbery. We all heard this as little children.

You've just written a slap in the face to the many African Americans who have done exactly the "bootstrapping" you talk about.

Which still lands some of them in hot water with the police who don't believe that a professional Black man would drive a nice car (stolen?) or live in a nice neighborhood (a prowler?) or shop for an expensive item (a shop-lifter?)

I don't think you've heard about systemic or structural discrimination. Not everyone is able to put on your happy-face version of rags-to-riches.

It is demeaning of you to imagine that people would vote Democratic only if they somehow depended upon the party for handouts.

Do you mean social assistance? Aid to poor families with dependent children?

What about kids whose Mom is gone and Dad is an addict? Do you wish to wean these children off of food?
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Alcohol, heroin, and crack are in exactly the same category of a highly addictive substance that can cause serious harm to the user's health and well-being, and evoke behavior that is harmful to others.
Alcohol is way less addictive and harmful than heroin and crack.

God approves of drinking wine with a merry heart (Eccl. 9:7). He only forbade drunkenness (Deut. 21:20-21, Gal. 5:21) and things like driving after drinking (Deut. 22:8). He didn't approve the usage of other drugs (including tobacco), except in situations where they could save a life (Lev. 18:5), a badly wounded soldier on the battlefield can use morphine.

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Alcohol is way less addictive and harmful than heroin and crack.

God approves of drinking wine with a merry heart (Eccl. 9:7). He only forbade drunkenness (Deut. 21:20-21, Gal. 5:21) and things like driving after drinking (Deut. 22:8). He didn't approve the usage of other drugs (including tobacco), except in situations where they could save a life (Lev. 18:5), a badly wounded soldier on the battlefield can use morphine.
Decriminalizing the drugs, and regulating them, with assistance for those who fall prey to being addicted to them, is the only viable alternative to the current police-state tactics, which are correctly labeled as a "War", with violence as an inevitable consequence.

Eliminating the "pushers", including advertisements that glamorize their use, is important also.
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Generally speaking, the majority of American registered voters are 1. Socially Liberal, 2. Fiscally conservative, 3. Democrat, 4. admire Ronald Reagan and 5. non-partisan who focuses on the candidate than their political party affiliation. What does this mean for the chance of Donald Trump will ever get re-elected? Urban populations have more population than rural ones, they tend to have majority Democrats than suburban, rural county and smaller towns where they are more Republican. Where I happen to live, Palm Springs and Indio-Coachella are the area's largest cities and have mostly Democrat voters, then you go to upper-income Palm Desert and less developed Idyllwild which are mostly GOP. Oddly, my county Riverside is a red area, within my state California a blue one. Again, Trump would win Riverside county...and still, he loses most of California.
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You are not a black person & don't understand the term.
I will not say that the statement is completely incorrect, but incorrect if said to shut others down or say that they simply do not understand because they have a different skin colour. By that token, if one is not a white person, one doesn't understand a white person. If one is not a Jew, one cannot understand a Jew.
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I will not say that the statement is completely incorrect, but incorrect if said to shut others down or say that they simply do not understand because they have a different skin colour. By that token, if one is not a white person, one doesn't understand a white person. If one is not a Jew, one cannot understand a Jew.
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How teachers indoctrinate your kids:
https://archive.is/Vgww5 - full thread here.



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