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Unread 07-09-2020, 07:47 PM
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Do your homework first.

You haven't even read the link I posted for you.

Think about how a charge of "racism" has an historical context.

Otherwise it's not worth my time to spend pages bringing you up to speed so that we can have this conversation.
Third time you've deflected the question.

But don't worry, I'm gonna give you another opportunity, don't be shy! Show us your prowess!

Why was my post "racist" waybread? I'm sure you can come up with something.

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Re: Black Lives Matter, Marxist?

Dirius, stop trying to bully me.

I did not say that Black Lives Matter was a Marxist movement. You did.

Are some self-proclaimed Marxists part of the movement? No doubt. Is this the primary thrust of the millions of people who believe Black lives matter? Of course not.

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and the right to peaceful assembly.

The cost of a free society will be some people espousing political ideologies that bother you mightily.
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Third time you've deflected the question.

But don't worry, I'm gonna give you another opportunity, don't be shy! Show us your prowess!

Why was my post "racist" waybread? I'm sure you can come up with something.
Third time you've declined to educate yourself on the recent history of oppression of African Americans. It's like trying to explain calculus to someone who never bothered to go beyond 6th grade arithmetic.

Three strikes and you're out.
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Dirius, stop trying to bully me.

I did not say that Black Lives Matter was a Marxist movement. You did.

Are some self-proclaimed Marxists part of the movement? No doubt. Is this the primary thrust of the millions of people who believe Black lives matter? Of course not.

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and the right to peaceful assembly.

The cost of a free society will be some people espousing political ideologies that bother you mightily.
Founders of the movement are marxists, professional activists, and said they have created a movement based around their ideology.

This means BLM is a marxist movemenet.

You denied this. I provided evidence supporting my claim.

You are using a strawman argument waybread.

I am not questioning their right to exist, or their right to believe in marxist theory. This is just your strawman argument.

I'm just pointing out the type of ideology they have, which is a marxist ideology.

But it is good you've now learned they are marxists.
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Third time you've declined to educate yourself on the recent history of oppression of African Americans. It's like trying to explain calculus to someone who never bothered to go beyond 6th grade arithmetic.

Three strikes and you're out.
Fourth time you've deflected my question waybread. No need to be shy!

I love that now I'm also a "bully" - for simply asking you to explain your point.

But don't worry!

Giving you another opportunity!

Explain to me why my post was "racist" please.
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Re: Black Lives Matter, Marxist?

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Dirius, stop trying to bully me.
Waybread life matters
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Re: Black Lives Matter, Marxist?

Did you even try to understand their agenda or are more interested in calling people racist when you owe an apology to Dirius. Are you aware of where the millions of dollars raised is going? Guns? Dynamite? Sub-marine guns which the fundraiser was convicted of.


Alicia Garza, one of three co-founders of the Black Lives Matter national organization, has repeatedly talked about how convicted cop killer and wanted domestic terrorist Joanne Chesimard, also known as Assata Shakur, is one of her main inspirations. Susan Rosenberg, a member of the board of directors for the left-wing Thousand Currents group, which handles the intake of donations made to Black Lives Matter, is a convicted terrorist who, among other things, was suspected of helping Shakur escape from prison.

Rosenberg, who was listed as the vice chairwoman of the board of directors for Thousand Currents until the webpage was pulled down this week, as first reported by the Capital Research Center, had been a member of the radical leftist revolutionary militant group known as the May 19th Communist Organization, affiliated with the Weather Underground terrorist group and other radicals. She was convicted on weapons and explosives charges and sentenced to 58 years in prison, serving 16 years before being pardoned by President Bill Clinton in January 200

Alicia Garza, one of three co-founders of the Black Lives Matter national organization, has repeatedly talked about how convicted cop killer and wanted domestic terrorist Joanne Chesimard, also known as Assata Shakur, is one of her main inspirations. Susan Rosenberg, a member of the board of directors for the left-wing Thousand Currents group, which handles the intake of donations made to Black Lives Matter, is a convicted terrorist who, among other things, was suspected of helping Shakur escape from prison.


BLM, which is not a 501(c)(3) charitable group, uses an IRS-approved 501(c)(3) organization ó Thousand Currents ó as its fiscal sponsor, and so donations made on the BLM website through the left-wing ActBlue donation platform go to Thousand Currents, which says it then distributes.

Rosenberg was a radical in the 1960s and 1970s who landed on the FBIís Most Wanted List for a number of suspected crimes and was nabbed in 1984 while unloading from her car and into a New Jersey storage unit hundreds of pounds of dynamite along with weapons, including a sub-machine gun


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Dirius, stop trying to bully me.

I did not say that Black Lives Matter was a Marxist movement. You did.

Are some self-proclaimed Marxists part of the movement? No doubt. Is this the primary thrust of the millions of people who believe Black lives matter? Of course not.

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and the right to peaceful assembly.

The cost of a free society will be some people espousing political ideologies that bother you mightily.
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D@mn you are on it. I was going to just post about Susan. Hats off to you
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Re: Black Lives Matter, Marxist?

They don't advertise their violent agenda to overthrow the government but they admire domestic terrorists, cop killers and have a few killers on their payroll.
When people realize they are funding a terrorist organization, the funds will dry up so they put on a 'front' of being a peaceful organization but their heroes are not peaceful and neither is the looting, rioting and killing of cops and children.
They are a new group and the F.B.I. will need time to dissect their finances and consult with Department of Justice before declaring them for what they are: A domestic terrorist organization.



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I remember looking at the BLM website a few years ago, and there was a lot socialist stuff all over it.
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I thought this was a discussion on BLM and not a history of the world.
Germans were very very bad people 75 years ago. Today they are probably the most tolerant, peaceful Nation on earth.

I worry about BLM because they have hoodwinked a lot of innocent people, both black and white, into believing they are supporting a good cause.
NAACP is a worthy cause to promote racial issues for they are not a bunch of terrorists who want to overthrow the U.S. NAACP works hard for African-American community.
Instead of donating to worthy groups like this, millions is being funneled to BLM to support their terrorism.


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Excellent response as far as that definition goes.

Now, going by the definition you shared, as a next step, research what the whites, not just in America, but also most of Europe have been up to in the last 100 years or so. Be especially aware of what aims they were, still are pursuing. And, then you can start counting how many "terrorists" there are in just alone those two areas of the world. Of course there are other areas that are terrorism ridden as well.
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I thought this was a discussion on BLM and not a history of the world.
Germans were very very bad people 75 years ago. Today they are probably the most tolerant, peaceful Nation on earth.

I worry about BLM because they have hoodwinked a lot of innocent people, both black and white, into believing they are supporting a good cause.
NAACP is a worthy cause to promote racial issues for they are not a bunch of terrorists who want to overthrow the U.S. NAACP works hard for African-American community.
Instead of donating to worthy groups like this, millions is being funneled to BLM to support their terrorism.
Why is all this civil unrest happening during the Trump administration?
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I thought BLM wasn't just born yesterday, but actually had a History, just like racism against coloured people in general.

Speaking of Germany, have you lived there? I have - over a dozen years. Don't let yourself be fooled by what you might read in the media. I was a team manager and have actually worked with complaints of racism against colleagues. I was socially active in that direction also doing interpretational work - directly with the German police, since I speak 5 languages. Europe has a very dark and bloody History, and no, I don't just mean due to the holocaust, but much much more. And, whilst there might be some that do realise what their people did to other countries- a slightly different kind of holocaust, especially their coloured colonies, there are more that actually still actively participate in racism. Sometimes, perhaps also due to lack of education and not active spite, hatred and/ or "political pursuits".

Also, I always find it highly interesting how some try to downplay such racism by simply calling it xenophobia, completely forgetting that when Europe was out to conquer the world, how easily they forget about feeling xenophobic all of a sudden. Strange, isn't it!!

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I thought this was a discussion on BLM and not a history of the world.
Germans were very very bad people 75 years ago. Today they are probably the most tolerant, peaceful Nation on earth.

I worry about BLM because they have hoodwinked a lot of innocent people, both black and white, into believing they are supporting a good cause.
NAACP is a worthy cause to promote racial issues for they are not a bunch of terrorists who want to overthrow the U.S. NAACP works hard for African-American community.
Instead of donating to worthy groups like this, millions is being funneled to BLM to support their terrorism.
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I thought BLM wasn't just born yesterday, but actually had a History, just like racism against coloured people in general.

Speaking of Germany, have you lived there? I have - over a dozen years. Don't let yourself be fooled by when you might read in the media. I was a team manager and have actually with complaints of racism against colleagues. I was socially active in that direction also doing interpretational work - directly with the German police, since I speak 5 languages. Europe has a very dark and bloody History, and no, I don't just mean due to the holocaust, but much much more. And, whilst there might be some that do realise what their people did to other countries- a slightly different kind of holocaust, especially their coloured colonies, there are more that actually still actively participate in racism. Sometimes, perhaps also due to lack of education and not active spite, hatred and/ or "political pursuits".

Also, I always find it highly interesting how some try to downplay such racism by simply calling it xenophobia, completely forgetting that when Europe was out to conquer the world, how easily they forget about feeling xenophobic all of a sudden. Strange, isn't it!!

For most of its existance Europe has only waged wars in self-defense against African or Asian nations.

The Roman Empire's both Asian and African provinces were actually gained in self-defense wars against the Carthigian Empire and Seleucid Empire, in the aftermath of the 2nd punic war, which triggered the first pan-european empire.

Alexander the Great's conquest were a response to the previous Persian invasions. And so on, and so on...

So you are only talking about a segment of history, the one which suit your point, from 1500 onwards, on the exploration era.

If you wanna go all historical, lets talk about all of written history.

For the majority of history of humanity, Europe was rarely been the aggresor in most conflicts.

Should Italians seek reparations from African nations? Or Eastern Europeans from Asian nations?
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I thought BLM wasn't just born yesterday, but actually had a History, just like racism against coloured people in general.

Speaking of Germany, have you lived there? I have - over a dozen years. Don't let yourself be fooled by when you might read in the media. I was a team manager and have actually with complaints of racism against colleagues. I was socially active in that direction also doing interpretational work - directly with the German police, since I speak 5 languages. Europe has a very dark and bloody History, and no, I don't just mean due to the holocaust, but much much more. And, whilst there might be some that do realise what their people did to other countries- a slightly different kind of holocaust, especially their coloured colonies, there are more that actually still actively participate in racism. Sometimes, perhaps also due to lack of education and not active spite, hatred and/ or "political pursuits".

Also, I always find it highly interesting how some try to downplay such racism by simply calling it xenophobia, completely forgetting that when Europe was out to conquer the world, how easily they forget about feeling xenophobic all of a sudden. Strange, isn't it!!
"Black Lives Matter" began as a loosely affiliated organization in 2014 following the Ferguson, Missouri shooting of Michael Brown. It's stated intention as an umbrella organization is non-violent civil disobedience.
If blackbery is correct, it appears to have been either hijacked by violent anarchists, or was disingenuous about its real motives from the beginning.

There is cause for the claim of excessive police brutality against black citizens of the U.S., however. Unbiased statistics show that regarding fatal police shootings alone (which doesn't include deaths by other means), about 33% of them were directed at black citizens, even though the demographics show that less than 14% of the U.S. population is considered black.

Meanwhile, known, self-avowed White Supremacist organizations have reportedly increased their membership rolls by about 50%.

All of this violence is happening on Trump's watch.
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Germany has taken in 1.5 M refugees in recent years, mainly from African countries and over one million Syrians. What a bunch of racists they are! I have a friend who teaches English to the refugees. The government pays for everything, their education, home, food. Maybe the most generous, tolerant places on earth.

You can defend BLM who are proud to kill police officers, both black and white and who want to dismantle the entire U.S. government which they accuse of being a police state. Yet they never talk about the black on black crime which is killing black people by the thousands every year. If you lived in one of those neighbourhoods in NY like someone I know, you would welcome more police & not have the gang-bangers take over the entire city. People want to run away from the violence.

Andrew Holmes with Chicago Survivors says people should be protesting Black-on-Black crime.

ďThey still discharging these weapons on their own people and for what? Taking lives. These people canít breathe. Weíve marched, protested, ĎI canít breathe.í Guess what? These people ainít breathing neither so whatís the difference?Ē Holmes said.


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I thought BLM wasn't just born yesterday, but actually had a History, just like racism against coloured people in general.

Speaking of Germany, have you lived there? I have - over a dozen years. Don't let yourself be fooled by when you might read in the media. I was a team manager and have actually with complaints of racism against colleagues. I was socially active in that direction also doing interpretational work - directly with the German police, since I speak 5 languages. Europe has a very dark and bloody History, and no, I don't just mean due to the holocaust, but much much more. And, whilst there might be some that do realise what their people did to other countries- a slightly different kind of holocaust, especially their coloured colonies, there are more that actually still actively participate in racism. Sometimes, perhaps also due to lack of education and not active spite, hatred and/ or "political pursuits".

Also, I always find it highly interesting how some try to downplay such racism by simply calling it xenophobia, completely forgetting that when Europe was out to conquer the world, how easily they forget about feeling xenophobic all of a sudden. Strange, isn't it!!
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BLM was founded after Zimmerman was acquitted of killing Travyon Martin.
Zimmerman was not a cop but a racist who hunted the young black man and then shot him dead. Tragic. But the cops didn't kill him. And Actually, more white people are shot by police than black people. And Since certain black areas have more gun violence, both black and white cops have to defend themselves. I wouldn't be a cop for a million a year, now they are quitting in NY and they have had to put a 'hold' on early retirements.

Police officers across the US have quit their jobs in recent days.

BLM was formed under Obama, as well as the Ferguson riots and the murder of T.Martin. There have been racial incidents under every president.


Police have killed 598 people in 2020.

Black people have been 28% of those killed by police since 2013.



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"Black Lives Matter" began as a loosely affiliated organization in 2014 following the Ferguson, Missouri shooting of Michael Brown. It's stated intention as an umbrella organization is non-violent civil disobedience.
If blackbery is correct, it appears to have been either hijacked by violent anarchists, or was disingenuous about its real motives from the beginning.

There is cause for the claim of excessive police brutality against black citizens of the U.S., however. Unbiased statistics show that regarding fatal police shootings alone (which doesn't include deaths by other means), about 33% of them were directed at black citizens, even though the demographics show that less than 14% of the U.S. population is considered black.

Meanwhile, known, self-avowed White Supremacist organizations have reportedly increased their membership rolls by about 50%.

All of this violence is happening on Trump's watch.
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Dirius, not sure where you get your information from but Europe and self-Defence when it systematically went around looting other countries, destroying their industries, enslaving them, killing tens of thousands, treating coloured people worse than dogs... your claim is quite the joke... and yes, did make me laugh lol 😂 You either seriously have very little (to put it mildly) idea of history, or might feel the need out of personal reasons to defend Europe. Think of the colonies of the French, British... and how they ruined so many countries. Give me a break.

I am not going to get into any back and forth with you out of a no. of past experiences. I also see how you behave with others and start with your passively-aggressive intimidation and bullying tactics. Another reason being that there is a very wide gap between your knowledge level, understanding of issues and mine. Your responses to my posts and that of others prove it to me repeatedly. Given both those points there is no way, you and I can have a sensible fruitful discussion, let alone that you will ever succeed at convincing me.
I prefer that you stay out of my way and I will stay out of yours
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For most of its existance Europe has only waged wars in self-defense against African or Asian nations.

The Roman Empire's both Asian and African provinces were actually gained in self-defense wars against the Carthigian Empire and Seleucid Empire, in the aftermath of the 2nd punic war, which triggered the first pan-european empire.

Alexander the Great's conquest were a response to the previous Persian invasions. And so on, and so on...

So you are only talking about a segment of history, the one which suit your point, from 1500 onwards, on the exploration era.

If you wanna go all historical, lets talk about all of written history.

For the majority of history of humanity, Europe was rarely been the aggresor in most conflicts.

Should Italians seek reparations from African nations? Or Eastern Europeans from Asian nations?

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Who will you call when all the police are gone.

In Dallas, where at least 100 officers staged a “Blue for Black Lives” march this month, scars linger from an incident four years ago, when a man shot dead five officers who were patrolling a Black Lives Matter rally.

The entire SWAT team in the Miami suburb of Hallandale Beach resigned this month, complaining of “disdain” from locals for doing its job.

They joined dozens of officers across the country — cops in Atlanta, Minneapolis and Buffalo, N.Y., among them — who have walked off the job.

“All officers, at this point, are afraid to do their jobs,” said Vincent Champion, Southeast regional director for the International Brotherhood of Police Officers, who said they felt “nobody has their back.” The union represents more than half of the city’s officers.

“Yes, we signed up to protect and serve our communities. We understand the danger. What we didn’t sign on for was to be wrongly accused or not even given the chance to go through the hearing that the same people we arrest and put in jail have the ability to go through.”
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its people of color
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We live in 2020 now aquarius7000 why are you living in the past?
Slavery existed in Africa long before the Europeans went there.
It was other Africans that sold the slaves to Europe/U.S.
But that's ended now. They fought a civil war over it did you know?
It was due to Religious Groups like the Quakers that brought slavery to an end in Europe. But in rich countries like saudi arabia and UAE they use people from the Philiipiines like slaves. Europe and the U.S. are the places where all poor and oppressed people want to live for it's the places of democracy and freedom. Try living in China or Russia and see how much free speech you have there.



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Dirius, not sure where you get your information from but Europe and self-Defence when it systematically went around looting other countries, destroying their industries, enslaving them, killing tens of thousands, treating coloured people worse than dogs... your claim is quite the joke... and yes, did make me laugh lol 😂 You either seriously have very little (to put it mildly) idea of history, or might feel the need out of personal reasons to defend Europe. Think of the colonies of the French, British... and how they ruined so many countries. Give me a break.

I am not going to get into any back and forth with you out of a no. of past experiences. I also see how you behave with others and start with your passively-aggressive intimidation and bullying tactics. Another reason being that there is a very wide gap between your knowledge level, understanding of issues and mine. Your responses to my posts and that of others prove it to me repeatedly. Given both those points there is no way, you and I can have a sensible fruitful discussion, let alone that you will ever succeed at convincing me.
I prefer that you stay out of my way and I will stay out of yours
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What is this? From apartheid south africa or 1960s U.S.

They don't have 'colored' areas anymore. That's what civil rights was all about.


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How convenient isnít it? Go ruin other countries and some years hence - say we live in 2020. Obviously because what was done to those countries have no repercussions on how they might have needed to come up in many areas from ground zero, how their economies were destroyed. How imposition of English and the european culture on the indigenous people completely crushed their identity, how religious conversions no end and still happening have no impact on the locals, how many many families lost so many members in their fight of independence. How convenient, isnít it.

Appalling some of the things one gets to read here.
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We live in 2020 now aquarius7000 why are you living in the past?
Slavery existed in Africa long before the Europeans went there.
It was other Africans that sold the slaves to Europe/U.S.
But that's ended now. They fought a civil war over it did you know?
It was due to Religious Groups like the Quakers that brought slavery to an end in Europe. But in rich countries like saudi arabia and UAE they use people from the Philiipiines like slaves. Europe and the U.S. are the places where all poor and oppressed people want to live for it's the places of democracy and freedom. Try living in China or Russia and see how much free speech you have there.
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Unread 07-09-2020, 11:25 PM
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Would you rather live in Ethiopia or Europe?
And thousands lost their lives during the civil war. You don't have a good understanding of U.S. history which includes the civil rights movement. You want to live in the past and be angry at Europe for its past. Go live in Moscow since you hate the west so much. Or China. Take your pick.



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How convenient isnít it? Go ruin other countries and some years hence - say we live in 2020. Obviously because what was done to those countries have no repercussions on how they might have needed to come up in many areas from ground zero, how their economies were destroyed. How imposition of English and the european culture on the indigenous people completely crushed their identity, how religious conversions no end and still happening have no impact on the locals, how many many families lost so many members in their fight of independence. How convenient, isnít it.

Appalling some of the things one gets to read here.
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Unread 07-09-2020, 11:27 PM
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BLM was founded after Zimmerman was acquitted of killing Travyon Martin.
Zimmerman was not a cop but a racist who hunted the young black man and then shot him dead. Tragic. But the cops didn't kill him. And Actually, more white people are shot by police than black people. And Since certain black areas have more gun violence, both black and white cops have to defend themselves. I wouldn't be a cop for a million a year, now they are quitting in NY and they have had to put a 'hold' on early retirements.

Police officers across the US have quit their jobs in recent days.

BLM was formed under Obama, as well as the Ferguson riots and the murder of T.Martin. There have been racial incidents under every president.


Police have killed 598 people in 2020.

Black people have been 28% of those killed by police since 2013.



Database updated as of 6/30/2020
Twice the 14% they represent of the entire population.

I don't recall BLM becoming violent until Trump's presidency.

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