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The Global Financial Crisis: An Astrological Perspective
How To Prepare For The World Change Just Ahead
Fighting Organized Fear By Reclaiming Positive Community & Personal Freedom

By Theodore White, CSA
©Autumn 2008

As the world draws closer to the year 2012, where world expectations of the prophecies of the Mayan calendar reaches a peak on the Winter Solstice of December 21 of that year, it is very important for those reading this to begin to make preparations for the coming decade of the 2010s.

This is an astrological warning.

Hear this Important Message ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKBXz...eature=related

It is a warning, not to scare, nor to frighten, but to inform, and is designed to help those reading this not only how to survive, but how to overcome and fight the secret organized fear mongering and actions of those involved in what is known as the “new world order” ~ who falsely believe that they have the right to rule the world.

They do not.

Only God the Creator has the right to rule the world, and those who have been, and are now involved in causing great mischief in the world will be subject to hell, which is not only real, but promised by God for those who have transgressed all bounds, those who harm their neighbors, and other humans in all nations, and who damage the earth. This is also a warning for you who are reading this ~ be not dissuaded ~ the prophecies are true, and those who fail to heed the Signs of God ~ the transits ~ shall not be forgiven, and shall live in hell where “their worm will not die.”

Those reading this at the time of writing in October 2008 will have already heard much about the massive financial crisis now cascading throughout world markets, with losses in the trillions, higher food prices causing instability worldwide, along with increasing fear and stress on hundreds of millions of families.

The world transits have been building to this time for many decades, and now, as transiting Saturn in Virgo moves towards its first opposition to Uranus in Pisces, we are seeing great changes, especially through fear, to force false crisis on the world, by creating a global disaster to enforce their will:

World markets continue a dive not seen since the Great Depression, according to published reports on October 9, 2008.

One year ago, U.S. investors were bragging as the stock market surged to all-time highs. Now, in autumn 2008, nearly everyone on New York’s Wall Street and throughout the United States is full of fear with the fact that the financial crisis sweeping the world has erased $8.3 trillion in shareholder wealth in 366 days.

See ~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081010...cvwRc0gFqyBhIF

American’s retirement savings have lost over two trillion dollars in the September 2008 sell-off.

See ~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/...XmR1rY2gyyBhIF

European and Japanese markets plunged October 10th, see ~

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/...PtFk9LToQT5LIF

TRANSITS ~

World transits continue to show how the motions of Jupiter, Saturn, Chiron, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, along with the Dragon’s Head and Tail are sweeping through the world. According to transits, much of the current stock market and financial meltdowns have been orchestrated by groups intent on destroying individual nation’s ability to direct their own futures. Thus, future battle lines are being drawn as a stunned world waits to see the consequences of what will be called Another Great Depression ~ in the 21st century.

At this time of autumn 2008, we are witnessing the beginning of a new era with the opposition of Saturn opposing Uranus, which is causing (and will continue to cause) great disruptions throughout the world. This will continue into the next decade of the 2010s, as many nations will struggle to emerge out of deep recessions, and some depressions, due to the last 28 years of rampant materialism, greed, corruption and theft never seen in the history of the world.

The months of October, November and December 2008 will see the loss of many trillions of dollars in many countries and the lowering of living standards for many in first, second and third-world nations for years to come, according to my reading of transits. This will cause major disruptions for many millions of people worldwide, and must be addressed by the public with clear plans, not only for survival, but for starting a new way of living, communicating, and sharing of resources. Those who fail to do this will have a very hard time in the years to come, and will become destitute in the next decade of the 2010s.

Those reading this should begin to make immediate plans for the future. These plans should be creative, and should be implemented with the truth in mind; meaning that the more honest one is about the economic situation surrounding the world, the easier it will be to make advanced plans to handle the consequences in the larger society which will affect the entire planet, according to world transits.

PREPARATION ~

In this warning, I strongly advise those who are aware of transits to immediately begin a series of preparations in advance of 2009 & 2010, and especially for the next decade, by doing these things as soon as possible:

 Stay calm, cool & collected
 Fight Fear with Knowledge & Planning
 Watch the world news carefully & take nothing for granted
 Set up meetings with family & friends to talk about what is happening
 Form discussion groups as soon as possible
 Wean yourself & your families off the old financial system
 Find employment within your own talents
 Set up Barter Circles with others
 Begin to plan for relocation if your area is not supportive
 Avoid people who continue to rely solely on the old financial system

Moreover, expect emotional reactions in the months and years ahead that will be seen in society, as many people will not be able to handle the loss of retirements and pensions that have collapsed since the Panic of 2007, and now, in the Panic of 2008. It is essential for those who have some understanding of astrological transits to immediately begin a series of cycle runs for the 2010s, and to make plans accordingly in how not only to survive, but how to investigate, and to fight the causes of the economic downturn that is sweeping the world.

According to transits, there have been groups of people who have gathered for decades to plan this financial crisis, and they are intent on keeping it going despite the news to the contrary of trying to stop the loss of many trillions worldwide.

Movie clip below is two-hours long, but worth the view to understand part of what is happening astrologically worldwide, and how bad people and groups think they are better than you are. They are not. They are only sowing the seeds to their own destruction.

It is essential to understand how the vibrations and thoughts of your own mind are within yourself. You can change the world, and yourself by evolving towards the good. Transits and the pulsing of the universe are increasing around the world and within ourselves. Astrology helps this and it will change your life forever.

Take your time to watch it when you are able. The sooner the better.

See ~ http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/esoteric_agenda.php

It is essential to understand that the current global world crisis now taking place has been planned for some time, and is part of a cycle of fear perpetuated by power-crazed groups within many sectors of government, business, banking, media, law enforcement, politics, and academia who have joined together to control the world in their madness to rule it.

Astrological prophecies have warned of these people for centuries, and we are seeing many of them, through the prior actions of their descendents, attempt to speed up their “quest” to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.

I have a dire warning for these “groups” ~ you also are being watched ~ carefully ~ and your every move, every word, every secret meeting has been recorded by God. When there are nine of you in a room holding secret sessions, know that the 10th in the room along with you is God the Creator. His messengers are recording everything you say and do.

The planets themselves are recorders of everything you have done, thought, and acted on your whole lives, and by your own hands, you will be judged, and will be thrown into Tartarus (Hell) by God, who has led you to believe your own lies, your greed, materialism, and hate for your fellow human beings. You have transgressed all bounds.

In Hell, you will find the north, the south, and the west; however, you will not find the East. Ponder this, because where you are going ~ there is no hope. God will not listen to your cries. Enjoy your hording of the world’s wealth while you can. It will do you no good in Hell. When the Lord comes for you, He does not want your money. He wants your behind, and He’s going to get all of you ~ bank on it.

For those who do good, are honest, and are afraid of what is happening. Fear not. There is much hope for all of us and glad tidings. Stay clear mentally, emotionally, and look to the skies for the astrological Signs from Heaven ~ the stars, the planets, and comets, for the language of God. He talks to all astrologers in this way, and should you look, listen and pay close attention ~ there is good news ahead, and yes, help is on the way.

The world transits are about to show all of us the anger of God on those who have taken what does not belong to them. Those who have acted as if they have no law, no regulations, and who transgress all bounds.

ADVICE:

The transits clearly reveal that this time, and the months and years to come, will be a challenge for the entire world. It is essential that people of good intent join together and create communities of hope, creativity, and protection for those of goodwill. Test others before trusting them. You will know how. Be aware of the people around you.

Stay far, far away from anyone (individuals and groups) who are bad company materialistic, atheist, who hordes wealth, and determines a person’s worth by money. Stay far, far away from those who engage in criminal behavior, who cheat, lie, steal, gossip, and cause mischief. Being close to people like this is like being close to someone who is about to be struck by lightening.

Sever all contacts with people of evil and bad means, those who cause problems, and those who are unloving, who have no compassion, who fail to show love, except for themselves, and who mock others.

Whatever you do ~ stay away from them ~ even if they are close to you. These bad people are about to see, hear, and feel things in the years ahead that will make their entire lives feel like it has taken place in mere seconds. They have no idea of what is coming for them. Those who do know, are cleaning up their lives right now ~ and by this act, will save themselves.

Do all you can to improve your spiritual nature, think, and act with tough love, understanding and intelligence. Build inner and outer strength. Help those less fortunate than yourself and bond with people of good will. Do not fight with one another. Rather, cooperate, and be reliable, as the coming global transits will make many unreliable, as they focus only on themselves, and not others.

Do not leave for isolated places, but do the work of God where you are located. Join with others of good will, do good work, share, be disciplined, consistent, reliable, and active with others of goodwill. Pay close attention to the transits, and carry your ephemeris everywhere you go and read it constantly.

Avoid citing blame ~ except on those who are to blame for the world’s troubles. Be ready to fight against those who are criminals, and do not show weakness ~ show strength ~ as those who have started this mess hold good people in contempt because they perceive good people as weak. We are not weak ~ and this will be held true in the times to come.

Stay on target with making plans for positive community, barter with one another, share, look in on people who need help, watch kids for parents, gather resources for yourself and for others and most of all, know this ~

Those who are bad will be paid in a manner that is most horrid that it is unmentionable by me. According to the astrological prophecies, God will bring Hell with him, and show it to the evil ones before they are thrown in. What these bad groups, these evil people, are to experience, is something I would not wish on my worst enemy ~ the anger, the pure wrath of God the Creator, who regulates all things via the transits.

According to the prophecies, He will “hide” good people from His anger for a little while, protecting us from His wrath. This has been written about by the astrologer Michel Nostradamus, who quoted the prophet Isaiah ~

“I shall strike them with my Rod, and I shall not show pity,”

Therefore, be calm about the coming justice. Believe me ~ It is definitely on the way.

As a judicial astrologer, I have one more piece of important advice:

Pray to God, and keep looking up to the skies. The celestial show is about to get very, very interesting. Be on the side of the Brotherhood & Sisterhood of Light ~ not Darkness ~ and yes, fear only God, and nothing else.

Those who do not fear God ~ soon will.

Peace, Love & Light.

For More on the Crisis, See ~

http://60minutes.yahoo.com/segment/1..._default_swaps


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My mother is an athiest and she has nurtured me for all of these years. I'd say that it's very unfair what God is doing. Does he honestly expect people to love and cherish him, when the only sight of his existence is a book? I mean seriously. A book. If God left a significant amount of evidence that was proven by science, then it would be reasonable. But God is supposedly doing this "love test" with a BOOK. With Paper. He's undermining his own creations. The point is, my mom is the most caring, nicest person in the world.(to me). All she ever wished for was peace in life. She has endured her lover with cancer for over 7 years now. I refuse to have God call her evil because he left an insufficent amount of evidence for the naked human eye. And I refuse to have a ruler who constantly wants me to "fear" him. It most certainly isn't an optimal ruler. Satan was a blind man. But even I can see why he opposed "God". God's arrogance is beyond belief. Oh, don't get me wrong. I could give 2 shits for Satan. At this point. My belief is like the Human belief with the Political system. God and Satan. Two sides of the same coin.
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. Sounds like Ying Yang. I don't give a sh-t either if I'm good or evil, just so long as I win.
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My mother is an athiest and she has nurtured me for all of these years. I'd say that it's very unfair what God is doing. Does he honestly expect people to love and cherish him, when the only sight of his existence is a book? I mean seriously. A book. If God left a significant amount of evidence that was proven by science, then it would be reasonable. But God is supposedly doing this "love test" with a BOOK. With Paper. He's undermining his own creations. The point is, my mom is the most caring, nicest person in the world.(to me). All she ever wished for was peace in life. She has endured her lover with cancer for over 7 years now. I refuse to have God call her evil because he left an insufficent amount of evidence for the naked human eye. And I refuse to have a ruler who constantly wants me to "fear" him. It most certainly isn't an optimal ruler. Satan was a blind man. But even I can see why he opposed "God". God's arrogance is beyond belief. Oh, don't get me wrong. I could give 2 shits for Satan. At this point. My belief is like the Human belief with the Political system. God and Satan. Two sides of the same coin.
One cannot challenge God. He is HIS own "coin." It isn't wise to "oppose" him. Satan has his own problems and is an avowed enemy of all humanity. It is not Satan I fear ~ but God The Creator. Each one of us will have to account for our own lives ~ what we have done, believed, and not believed. Even family members and those close to us. I have people in my own family who I cannot speak for, nor save. No one will be able to speak for another ~ only themselves. The prophecies are quite clear on this. I just work here.
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Actually, we've done it in history plenty of times. God can no longer be qualified as a "ruler", "leader" ETC. He is effectively a DICTATOR. Read: Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler. These people too, put people in a system that said "do this or else". Only, unlike the other two. Not even they dared to come up with an blatant excuse like "Well, if this man weren't evil, you wouldn't have to go through this". This is an era of change. Let's start changing the spiritual leader. In America, we have a democracy. A spiritual democracy is in order.

Actually, to be honest. This isn't a democracy. This is a republic. A Democracy is when ALL people are joined together in unison to make a decision. Which is my proposal for the spiritual world going forward. God will only serve our best interests when we "love" him. Satan will never. Unoptimal leadership. So neither will rule this future world, or come close to it.

I'm sure the question you would ask me then is who would be suited to rule this world. Egotistically speaking, me. But I know it's not that simple. I also know if I move in that direction. It would be in the direction of the fool Satan himself. And I already spoke of how much I hate that snievling pathetic snake. But I still do believe my coordinations for this world is accurate. So, what I'll do to avoid the negative spiritual energies that come from proclaiming myself the leader of this new world. And at the same time making sure my ideals follow through. Is a careful selection process. Eventually, I'll come across someone with the same envisions that I do. Of a world without crime and evil. Once I do. That person can rule the new spiritual world. Of course, this ruler will be different from the past ones. On a daily basis there shall be a discussion between the people and the ruler. The people expressing their natural desires to the ruler. The ruler and those around him will discuss the best ways to profill their desires.

If the world ends up like this. There will be no more manipulation. With rulership that listens to the people. And people generally interested in love, peace and security. All you have to do. Is follow along with the regulations. You hold no allegiance to the current rule, in fact you can run to oppose it. Just untill that time, follow along.

Unlike that fool Satan, and that arrogant God. I have a proper vision. Of course, this vision will be blasted by God and his followers. Ironically it would also be blasted by Satan. But that's what happens when you follow neither of the nitwits.
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Are we in a discussion about the Global Financial Crisis etc.etc. or having a discussion about God here? It most certainly looks like it is heading that way!!

Maybe this would be a good topic for our Spiritual Realm Forum. What do you guys think? Personally I would be very interested in such a discussion as it is not for nothing that I adhere to the Budhistic Philosophy as opposed to believing in (yes, in what???) something you should fear.

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Hi Star,

This is a good example of something that belongs on more than one board, but without "cutting". Here for the astrological aspects - Spiritual Realm for the theological aspects. Yet, without both aspects being discussed together, the thread loses some of it's value.

Maybe it should stay here, but with a cross-reference to the topic on the Spiritual Realm Board?

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Hey Theo,
Any thoughts on the Jupiter, Neptune, Chiron conjunction around May 23rd, 2009.




Any interesting global transits around that time?
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Maybe it should stay here, but with a cross-reference to the topic on the Spiritual Realm Board?
OK, so how do you envision that then? I could just copy and paste the part starting after the link Theo gives us (after his warning list so to speak). There it is that he also starts to integrate religion into his thread.
The first part up to the link is OK, very good indeed. OK, he also says: "only God the creator has the right to rule the world" but apart from that, no other religious writings.

I could mention that this is written by Theo, (give reference to this thread) but because of increasing theological discussions, this part of the thread has been moved to Spiritual Realm. How about that? Theo, do you agree with this? I dont want ruin your thread.
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...OK, so how do you envision that then?...
Hi Star,

Is it possible to just duplicate the thread heading on the spiritual board, then put there only a link to the discussion here - perhaps with a brief explanation that "this discussion includes both astrological and theological content".

That way, those on the spiritual board are made aware of the discussion - but without disrupting the flow of the original thread.

Edit - if the title had been "An astrological and theological warning and glad tidings", would the discussions be "on topic" and therefore ok?

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I dont really see theological warning, more a warning on what to do in case things get worse in the world. But OK, if you think that the thread must include all this talk about God and the Bible, I could try to put a note in the spiritual realm forum. I guess I have to start a new thread there and then incorporate a link to this forum.
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What sign are you ?
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OK EJ, I did it, so lets see if some others will join in!

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OK, so how do you envision that then? I could just copy and paste the part starting after the link Theo gives us (after his warning list so to speak). There it is that he also starts to integrate religion into his thread.
The first part up to the link is OK, very good indeed. OK, he also says: "only God the creator has the right to rule the world" but apart from that, no other religious writings.

I could mention that this is written by Theo, (give reference to this thread) but because of increasing theological discussions, this part of the thread has been moved to Spiritual Realm. How about that? Theo, do you agree with this? I dont want ruin your thread.
Hi Starlink... My thread is not solely about God, but about what is happening now in the world with the global financial crisis ~ a current event. Spirit is a matter of what is also happening now, as spiritual concerns are also very basic to astrology and our dail lives. I don't have a problem with part of the thread moved to the Spiritual Realm section, as it seems appropriate. Thanks Starlink!
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I believe in God of the Bible. I do believe that there is an "end time." I have heard for years of the senario of what is going to happen then or now. The world-stage is just taking on the cast of players and in this end time, the choices that we make will be eternal. I do believe that in the time is not all crisis... I believe that God takes care of His. The greates prophecies are in the Bible. Astrology is a technical tool. Mathmatics... ect. The word of God is eternal and valid. I like what Theo did in this one. I pray that somehow... some will listen and not look just to the heavens for answers, but in the Bible. V/r LionKing
(It's not hard to find that even William Lilly was a Christian.)
Thanks LionKing. As a judicial astrologer, I don't make a seperation of prophecies and astrology, since God created astrology as one of the two ways He speaks to people ~ the other is direct, and divine, and the second is astronomic, the clearing of the celestial clouds, to send signs and messages, or, what we call astrology.

As for the global financial crisis, it is real, and part of what is happening throughout the world as a whole. I've been an expert on the works of the judicial astrologer Nostradamus for years, and many other judicial astrologers, and throughout the centuries they have warned all of the Earth about the future transits, and the potentials should the Earth's people not heed the transits.
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Any thoughts on the Jupiter, Neptune, Chiron conjunction around May 23rd, 2009.


Any interesting global transits around that time?
Good one Tsquare. Good eye. Yes, there are, and it is part of what is going on right now. May 24, 2009 is a new moon at 3-Gemini, with Mercury retrograde in Taurus, and a major conjunction between Jupiter-Neptune and Chiron at the 25/26 degrees of Aquarius ~ strong transits with a major series of fixed squares to that retrograde Mercury.
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Oh well, Theo, I have invited everyone who frequents the Spiritual Realm Forum to come over here and join in. How about that!! Hope we DO see also a bit more astrology though..... OK, Tsquare made a good start there.

Good night guys, I am off to bed now!

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I thought scary fatalistic condemnation of our future was sort of poor scholarship; it's been going on for thousands of years but all I've seen is people being cruel to people, not God being cruel to a **** soul. I also think it's weird to sort of like, "speak the word of God." Is God angry? Does God even care? How can anyone possibly know? How can we speak of our coming "extinction" if it is a concept we created and therefore can only actually exist if we do? I mean, I don't profess to know a **** thing but I sometimes think that anxiety-ridden pessimistic didactic vocalization about the current nature of things is well, a sort psychically sadistic means of releasing stress and fear on the part of the vocalizer... not a crime but not helpful either.

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Excellent article Theo & exactly what I have known for a few years now.

I must say , however, that I am not an Atheist yet I do not believe in "God" in a judeo/christian way. I do consider myself very spiritual however as I believe in Karma, I believe that there is a universal consciousness or "force" like in Star Wars, that flows through us all and throughout the universe. I believe in cause and affect.
So for me, and possibly others, I just substitute Theo's words "God" and "Hell"
for my own meanings that correlate. It still works & rings true.

Just my own 2 cents to add

Edited to remove Theo's very loooonng quote, for the sake of space. You don't have to repeat the whole quote!-AG

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Yeah, I noticed those...I think there is a later conjunction as well of the same.....Jupiter goes retro back into it again or something..I havn't looked at this for quite some time now..noticed it a few months back and wasn't sure what to make of it.
I didn't notice the new moon though on this date.
Pluto is Rx as well...Sextile the J.C.N Conj. it doesn't show in the chart though....I can never figure why some aspects that are tighter then others do not show. it's only a 5 degree orb.
Bob Zemco has an interesting US chart that I just did a solar return on....
Sun is trine this coj. 2 degree orb....it is square uranus and opposite pluto(tsquare)...sun is in 8thH..scorpio asc.pluto is sextile asc and Rx, there is also a mars, venus, moon conj. in taurus...seventh house...trine satun in virgo...tight....chiron, neptune, Jupiter, conj. all Rx.
I'm ahvng trouble uploading charts...but I thought it was intesting to see a trine this conj. from the sun...plus the sun uranus pluto tsquare looks tough..........
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I thought scary fatalistic condemnation of our future was sort of poor scholarship; it's been going on for thousands of years but all I've seen is people being cruel to people, not God being cruel to a **** soul. I also think it's weird to sort of like, "speak the word of God." Is God angry? Does God even care? How can anyone possibly know? How can we speak of our coming "extinction" if it is a concept we created and therefore can only actually exist if we do? I mean, I don't profess to know a **** thing but I sometimes think that anxiety-ridden pessimistic didactic vocalization about the current nature of things is well, a sort psychically sadistic means of releasing stress and fear on the part of the vocalizer... not a crime but not helpful either.

I'm just chilling.

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I think it's very helpful. Astrologers throughout the centuries have always addressed prophecies, as astrology is a prophetic science, which also have been practiced by the prophets of God.

Prophecy is used to warn, and to give good tidings as well to all populations, and you will find many, many examples of this in astrological history ~ most famous among them, the prophecies of the Bible, the Q'uran, the Torah, and in the works of the astrologer Nostradamus, just to name a few.
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i read somewhere that people around my age (20) and younger are materialistic. like extremely materialistic as a way to build up dissatisfaction with material things and to become more spiritual. i could give two flying f***s about saving, never did. a lot of my peers are the same. i just wanna spend spend spend. more more more.

maybe everything is part of a (i hate to say it) master plan of God. if were gonna talk like there is a god, then its just as likely there is some sort of destiny.

in that case isnt everything happening as it should. always. in the moment.

humans are the crazy ones. inside us we create the caos and the conflict in our outer world.

i bet from a squirrels perspective everythings happening as it should. as it always has, and always will.

ramble ramble

so maybe this crisis is "supposed" to happen. people are supposed to suffer, and then in twenty years we emerge more evolved.
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Yeah, I noticed those...I think there is a later conjunction as well of the same.....Jupiter goes retro back into it again or something..I havn't looked at this for quite some time now..noticed it a few months back and wasn't sure what to make of it.
I didn't notice the new moon though on this date.
Pluto is Rx as well...Sextile the J.C.N Conj. it doesn't show in the chart though....I can never figure why some aspects that are tighter then others do not show. it's only a 5 degree orb.
Bob Zemco has an interesting US chart that I just did a solar return on....
Sun is trine this coj. 2 degree orb....it is square uranus and opposite pluto(tsquare)...sun is in 8thH..scorpio asc.pluto is sextile asc and Rx, there is also a mars, venus, moon conj. in taurus...seventh house...trine satun in virgo...tight....chiron, neptune, Jupiter, conj. all Rx.
I'm ahvng trouble uploading charts...but I thought it was intesting to see a trine this conj. from the sun...plus the sun uranus pluto tsquare looks tough..........
Some of Nostradamus' astrological prophecies signal 2009 as an important year, a transition of sorts, before the world events of the 2010s emerge. We can see the transits of the superior planets begin to make serious aspects just before next year, like the Saturn-Uranus opposition next month, and then Jupiter's ingress into tropical Aquarius in January 2009, ahead of its conjunction to transiting Neptune and Chiron next May.

The transiting Lunar nodes will be reducing on the Aquarius/Leo axis by May/June 2009 ahead of its change in quality from fixed to cardinal in Capricorn/Cancer in late August 2009.

According to these global transits, the world financial crisis reveals economists worldwide being called in to help politicians, and government to assist in controlling and correcting the financial mess. Spring 2009 is a very busy time for presidents, prime ministers, treasury secretaries, central bank governors, executives, bankers, investors, economists and finance ministers.

The issue is "trust" in financial markets, and confidence. The global credit crisis is a result of huge amounts of corruption in the years 2000-2008. Because the lunar nodes are "fixed" it is very difficult for those involved in these financial markets to trust one another, and confidence by investors, and the general public is low, while the fear factor is high.

I do not see the credit markets easing until after the U.S. General Election on November 4. The month of December 2008 provides a greater easing because of the coming Christmas holidays ~ so credit will ease to allow whatever profits retailers can make from consumers to flow do offset a public insurrection over the Christmas holidays.

The problems this late autumn will be people using only cah. Because of the corruption that has locked the credit and debt markets, too many businesses and consumers are being forced to spend cash only, which makes it harder to do business, and for consumers, who want to save their cash. Christmas is eased up a bit, but with people losing their homes and their jobs, with states and cities squeezed on credit, and in debt, people are very angry, and struggling with daily life. The ease and softness of December's global transits is due to Pluto leaving tropical Sagittarius in late November.

Pluto's transit in the last degrees of Sagittarius has caused big problems. The biggest has been that when the Moon makes its last aspects at this point when it transits over this position before entering Capricorn, where Jupiter is located. The last aspects from Pluto to the transiting Moon, via conjunction, square, etc., has been causing many problems worldwide. These last aspects to the transiting Moon ends, finally, on November 24, 2008 and by December, things ease up with people allowed to rest a bit and to sleep lighter after these stressful Moon-Pluto aspects.

Pluto makes its final transit through tropical Sagittarius in November, and enters tropical Capricorn for good on Nov. 27, 2008 where Pluto will transit until November 19, 2024. This 16-year transit is a major world transit and reveals major changes in government, politics, and how world populations think and act on democracy. It will also see the United States having its first Pluto Return since the historic years of the American Revolution.

December 2008 provides some relief for the world, though the recent months of crisis will have taken its toll on the world. People are very tired after a very stressful year. Saturn's transit in tropical Virgo is slowing to retrograde by December 31, 2009, and easing off by 3-degrees of its opposition to transiting Uranus in Pisces. The Moon's last aspects are to the Sun, Venus, Jupiter and Neptune ~ much softer transits to take. The feel is "relief" after a very stressful year-and-a-half of world crisis in the financial markets. December 2008 is a good time to take stock of recent events, to rest, relax, and to plan for a very busy 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012.

December is a good month to meet new people, and to make new alliances ahead of Jupiter's ingress into Aquarius in early January 2009. Most people are concerned about themselves, and their communities, and December has excellent transits to pick up the pieces and to restart lives, relationships, and to make plans for the future. While most people will be concerned only with Christmas, it is advised to not worry about buying gifts and toys, but to look ahead towards 2009 ~ which is a very important transitional year.

Jupiter is powering through the last ten degrees of tropical Capricorn in December to its ingress into tropical Aquarius on January 5. Times are changing at this time in January. Expectations are high. Jupiter in Aquarius is helpful as new alliances, and associations show the beginning of a huge generational shift in world leadership. This is the time of the end for the leadership of the Baby Boomer generation worldwide, and the beginning of leadership for Generation X, the children born during the 1960s and early 1970s.

Institutional investors have been bled dry by the corruption of others; especially speculators. The calls for massive investigations will force the government to act and most of this will begin to take place this year right after the election in early November, although many investigations are already have started to chase down, and recoup the trillions of dollars that have been stolen by horders of wealth.

The public mood is seething on Inuguration day in mid-January. According to my calculations, Barack Obama is elected the new American president. The day after the election, on Nov. 5, transiting Mercury enters Scorpio, and begins about three weeks of intense scrunity of what is to come, who Obama will pick for his new administration, and how this administration will tackle the myraid of problems the country, and the world is facing.

Tens of millions of people are very angry with the outgoing Bush/Cheney administration. Bush and Cheney are booed at the inauguration. The Moon at 29-Scorpio at the time the new U.S. president is sworn in on January 20, 2009 is powerful, and releases a great public emotion as the Moon passes into Sagittarius as the new president is inaugurated. Years from now, G.W. Bush will be viewed as the worst American president in the history of the United States. Many historians are already saying this right now.

The Mercury retrograde in Taurus in May 2009 is squared by the Jupiter/Chiron/Neptune conjunction in Aquarius. This tight square shows stressed relationships among world markets, and at all levels, local, regional, international, and of course global.

Mars' transit in Taurus in Spring 2009 indicates the continuation of major criminal investigations of former investment banks, CEOs, traders, etc., on the theft of trillions of dollars retirement savings, investments, pension funds, etc., in 2007 and 2008. The market manipulation will be discovered to be major, and there are chases globally of those involved who helped to perpetuate the financial panics.

Saturn turns direct at 14-Virgo on May 17 and Jupiter conjoins Neptune in Aquarius on May 27, along with Chiron. Mars, transiting Taurus in May, will square the Aquarius positions during the first 12 days of July 2009 bringing about very tight financial times for many people.

It appears that world governments work right through the summer months because the financial crisis has not eased. The transit of Mars in Pisces from March 16 to April 23, and Mars' move north in declination April 25 kicks off a new effort to hunt down and prosecute those who have stolen trillions of dollars throughout the world financial markets.

However, the transiting Lunar Nodes will be at 0-degrees along the Aquarius/Leo axis in June, July & August 2009 before changing quality to the Capricorn/Cancer axis on August 21, 2009.

When we see the lunar nodes changing quality, these are often monumental times, where one era sets, and another rises. This will be so during the Spring & Summer of 2009 with a wide variety of changes and shifts... people moving to new locations, new relationships, new jobs, lives, and great shifts in employment, occupations.

Expect many businesses to close between now and next spring because of the worldwide credit and financial crisis. The slowdown in financial markets has been "fixed" by the transit of Neptune to Chiron at the Dragon's Head over the summer and early autumn months.

This has caused many exisiting businesses to suffer greatly, and unemployment will rise. This means people will be searching for new jobs and new lives. The winter of 2009 is a very important time to make changes with Jupiter direct through the winter until its retrograde on June 15, 2009. Jupiter's direct motion is very helpful in making new moves and seeking new employment before the months of May and June, when the planet begins to slow ahead of it station to retrograde motion in mid-June 2009.

People will decide to start new lives after next spring's Venus retrograde in Aries. Venus changes from "evening star" to "morning star" on March 29, 2009 ~ ushering in a new era of sorts for the world after the panics of 2007 and 2008.

I would advise those reading this make major adjustments this coming winter season ahead of spring's transits. The change in American government this coming January will lead to a host of measures that will seek to correct, and to ease the impacts on American society, and the world markets.
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