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Yods, Squares, Oppositions, Grand Squares

Are there any Astrologers out there who have witnessed anything positive about Oppositions, Squares, Grand Squares and Yods? If so, please do tell.


I will start first... My daughter has Pluto in House 3 Scorpio and Pluto is opposing Mars in House 9 Taurus. I won't tell you just yet how this affected her, I will wait to see what other Astrologers say first. I posted about this in another thread but I am hoping that you all have not seen that yet.

Please post any story you have that is positive about the aspects I mentioned above as well. Thanks!

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6 people have viewed this thread and no one has anything positive to say about the aspects I inquired about? There is a negative side to trines as well you know. There is a negative and positive side to everything, it is just that negatives are obviously more challenging to over come but once they have been overcome, they present the positive side, the oppurtunity.
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I'm quite happy with my Venus Opposition Ascendant. It's said to promise a good looking mate, and sometimes the people with this aspect are quite good looking. Makes you graceful, a "people's person", confident, likeable..I might be totally biased but from what I've read around this opposition is fairly positive.

I think all aspects can be positive, even the dreaded oppositions/squares. It all depends on what you make of them. The sooner you understand how the forces are working within you, the easier it is to deal with them. I wouldn't trade my Venus Square Uranus for anything in the world!
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I also have T-square in my chart and i don't feel bad of it. I've seen many charts of great people and most of them had T-squares in their charts. This configuration produces a strong driving ambition. In my life my t-square helped me to overcome many obstacles more successfully than others around me with their trines. About your daughter's square, as i don't know which houses are ruled by Mars and Pluto in her chart...may be it was traffic accident during journey?.. I'm not sure..
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I'm quite happy with my Venus Opposition Ascendant. It's said to promise a good looking mate, and sometimes the people with this aspect are quite good looking. Makes you graceful, a "people's person", confident, likeable..I might be totally biased but from what I've read around this opposition is fairly positive.

I think all aspects can be positive, even the dreaded oppositions/squares. It all depends on what you make of them. The sooner you understand how the forces are working within you, the easier it is to deal with them. I wouldn't trade my Venus Square Uranus for anything in the world!

Thanks for your input, I actually have Saturn in the first house, it has some squares to it, you saw my chart. I wouldn't give it up either. I have learned a lot from it and have a lot to write about because of it. I love to write so that is a good thing
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I also have T-square in my chart and i don't feel bad of it. I've seen many charts of great people and most of them had T-squares in their charts. This configuration produces a strong driving ambition. In my life my t-square helped me to overcome many obstacles more successfully than others around me with their trines. About your daughter's square, as i don't know which houses are ruled by Mars and Pluto in her chart...may be it was traffic accident during journey?.. I'm not sure..

My daughter has Pluto in the third, it is in Scorpio and she has Mars opposing in Taurus, in the 9th house. No, she has not been in any kind of traveling accident but I was told something like that when someone else looked at her chart. Actually, she did not talk for a very long time. She would only say one word like "Juice" but she would go for hours without saying even that one word. Her father thought that she had a speech issue because he had one. He had her seen by several specialist but I was not worried about her at all and felt he was being over worried. As she grew older, she was always quiet for the most part but now she talks more and her teachers used to complain that she does not ask for help in class or do class participation because she does not speak. Now, she has totally changed, the teachers are saying how great she is with asking for help and how she even now helps other students. She has come a long way speech wise.
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That's very interesting. She's like Einstein. Interesting where's her Mercury? I think this planet must be involved in this matter.
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She has a lot of so called negatives going on with her Mercury...


Mercury is in the 12th house Square Mars and Pluto. Mercury is also oppose Saturn and Vesta and the Moon.

Mercury is Conjunct chiron.

Mercury is quincunx Uranus and Neptune.
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My daughter has Pluto in the third, it is in Scorpio and she has Mars opposing in Taurus, in the 9th house. No, she has not been in any kind of traveling accident but I was told something like that when someone else looked at her chart. Actually, she did not talk for a very long time. She would only say one word like "Juice" but she would go for hours without saying even that one word. Her father thought that she had a speech issue because he had one. He had her seen by several specialist but I was not worried about her at all and felt he was being over worried. As she grew older, she was always quiet for the most part but now she talks more and her teachers used to complain that she does not ask for help in class or do class participation because she does not speak. Now, she has totally changed, the teachers are saying how great she is with asking for help and how she even now helps other students. She has come a long way speech wise.
I'm glad to hear she has come a long way.

I had similar problems when I was a child. I was born with tongue-tie, and after the operation it took be a long time to learn to pronounce some words correctly. I speak relatively fast too --- people have trouble understanding me. But it's not something that makes you think that I once had a speech impediment.

I have Chiron in the 3rd house. So when I saw that Mercury/Chiron conjunction your daughter has, I thought "Well, of course". The wounded healer at work. Peskly little Chiron.
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I'm glad to hear she has come a long way.

I had similar problems when I was a child. I was born with tongue-tie, and after the operation it took be a long time to learn to pronounce some words correctly.
What kind of operation can someone who is tongue tied?
I speak relatively fast too --- people have trouble understanding me. But it's not something that makes you think that I once had a speech impediment.
Is this where the Fleeting comes from?
I have Chiron in the 3rd house. So when I saw that Mercury/Chiron conjunction your daughter has, I thought "Well, of course". The wounded healer at work. Peskly little Chiron.
Actually, I didn't post my daughters chart, it was my chart you saw. Yeah, she gets a little tongue tied now that I think of it but it only happens when she is slightly excited but she comes out of it quick. It is noticeable, to those who know her. Yeah, she has definately, come a long way.
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Actually, I didn't post my daughters chart, it was my chart you saw. Yeah, she gets a little tongue tied now that I think of it but it only happens when she is slightly excited but she comes out of it quick. It is noticeable, to those who know her. Yeah, she has definately, come a long way.

Aw yeah, but that's such a child-like trait. It will completely fade away when she's older. Where is her mercury and what is on the 3rd house cusp?

Interesting, how has chiron worked for you? My best bet is, since it is in the 12th, selfless altruism to the point of mental exhaustation? Unless it's conjunct to Mercury but off-sign and not in the 12th.

Actually, the condition's medical term is ankyloglossia. It's way more serious than the expression we're familiar with. You are born with your tongue literally tied to the bottom of your mouth. Sounds pretty bad. They cut the membranes to fix it, allowing normal mobility of the tongue. I got it when I was around 5 years old, so I don't remember much. It is the 2-3 years that followed that I remember: the being made "fun of" part. Chiron does a lot in my 3rd house: wounding my ability to express myself and leaving me as an only child.

As for the Fleeting, I got Pisces rising. I'm very absent minded. My sun sign might be Virgo, but I nothing keeps my attention for a long period of time. Dasein is german for existence.
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Aw yeah, but that's such a child-like trait. It will completely fade away when she's older. Where is her mercury and what is on the 3rd house cusp?

I mentioned this up above in another post somewhere but she has Pluto in the third house Scorpio and it opposes Mars in teh 9th house Taurus. Mercury is in the 12th house Leo, Conjunct Chiron. Mercury and Chiron are also opposing Saturn and Moon in the 6th house Aquarius.

Interesting, how has chiron worked for you? My best bet is, since it is in the 12th, selfless altruism to the point of mental exhaustation? Unless it's conjunct to Mercury but off-sign and not in the 12th.

You mean how has it worked for my daughter? From what I can see, she does not get in touch with her emotional feelings but she is always emotionally understanding towards other people.

Actually, the condition's medical term is ankyloglossia. It's way more serious than the expression we're familiar with. You are born with your tongue literally tied to the bottom of your mouth. Sounds pretty bad. They cut the membranes to fix it, allowing normal mobility of the tongue. I got it when I was around 5 years old, so I don't remember much. It is the 2-3 years that followed that I remember: the being made "fun of" part. Chiron does a lot in my 3rd house: wounding my ability to express myself and leaving me as an only child.

What sign is on the cusp of yoru third and what is your 6th house? Also, what sign is yoru Mercury?

As for the Fleeting, I got Pisces rising. I'm very absent minded. My sun sign might be Virgo, but I nothing keeps my attention for a long period of time. Dasein is german for existence.

Oh I see. Your Sun sign might be Virgo?
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That is interesting, my daughter is an only child as well. Are there any significators in a natal chart for an only child? I think I read that it is somewhere.
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Oh I see. Your Sun sign might be Virgo?
I got your chart and your daughter's chart mixed up. Hope I got it all right this time.

Her Chiron/Mercury conjuction in the 12th and her Pluto in Scorpio in the 3rd can make for a very interesting combination later on. Chiron is the cross you carry, and in the 12th it is involved with the less fortunate: the poor, the sick, those who are confined in a dire situation. It seems to me that she will be caring for others later in life. Mercury in the 12th is a very "humanitarian" position. The Mercury/Chiron might suggest that endeavors such as this might be very tiring for the mind, Saturn can even restrict it further. Let's not even get started on her emotions with that moon placement.

Aquarius 6th house seems to fit this pattern. Helping others.

Scorpio in the 3rd definitely helps. Straightfoward, intense, tells it like it is. Nobody messes with Scorpio. Pluto can bring trouble: I've heard of people complaining of morbid thoughts due to this position. It all depends really. In the end, I think it will also help her understand how she fits into the bigger picture. She may very well be inspiring others when she is older. She'll be a pleasure to listen to.

As for me, My sun sign is definitely virgo. Virgo is also the 6th house cusp. My mercury is in Libra. Mercury sextiles Saturn.
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That is interesting, my daughter is an only child as well. Are there any significators in a natal chart for an only child? I think I read that it is somewhere.

I have no idea. I got Gemini on the 3rd house cusp, so I always assumed that since I got a barren sign on the cusp plus Chiron in there that maybe that was why I was an only child.
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I got your chart and your daughter's chart mixed up. Hope I got it all right this time.

Her Chiron/Mercury conjuction in the 12th and her Pluto in Scorpio in the 3rd can make for a very interesting combination later on. Chiron is the cross you carry, and in the 12th it is involved with the less fortunate: the poor, the sick, those who are confined in a dire situation. It seems to me that she will be caring for others later in life.
She does that now, in any way that she can and she is very good with children...

Mercury in the 12th is a very "humanitarian" position. The Mercury/Chiron might suggest that endeavors such as this might be very tiring for the mind, Saturn can even restrict it further. Let's not even get started on her emotions with that moon placement.

Yeah, that's true, I don't want her to dedicate herself to people, such and extreme that would cause health issues. I am working on making sure she does not have to do that. I want her to help people when it will be good for her, not to her detriment.

Aquarius 6th house seems to fit this pattern. Helping others.

Scorpio in the 3rd definitely helps. Pluto can bring trouble: I've heard of people complaining of morbid thoughts due to this position. It all depends really. In the end, I think it will also help her understand how she fits into the bigger picture. She may very well be inspiring others when she is older. She'll be a pleasure to listen to.
She is inspiring, she tells me things I never thought of, I mean, she totally amazes me in so many ways. Her memory is impecable in terms that, if I tell her something, she does not give me verbal feedback at that time, but I find out months or years later, that she did listen to me and that she did take what I said to heart. She will do something months or years later, that lets me know she is listening.

As for me, My sun sign is definitely virgo. Virgo is also the 6th house cusp. My mercury is in Libra. Mercury sextiles Saturn.
All very interesting and sounds very familiar.

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Does anyone have an opinion on which aspect is more difficult/challenging, between the square and opposition and why?
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Does anyone have an opinion on which aspect is more difficult/challenging, between the square and opposition and why?
My answer will be coloured by my own experiences with squares and oppositions on my own natal chart. I look at them this way................

An opposition is like someone who comes straight up to you and confronts you about something, whilst a square is like an anonymous letter saying a similar thing to the person who confronted you.
As I see it, an opposition is easy to see, although not always easy to deal with. A square just hangs around planting its poison (or it's suggestions, which may not be all that poisonous in reality) slowly and steadily.

I prefer the opposition, as it's easier to detect and identify.
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My answer will be coloured by my own experiences with squares and oppositions on my own natal chart. I look at them this way................

An opposition is like someone who comes straight up to you and confronts you about something, whilst a square is like an anonymous letter saying a similar thing to the person who confronted you.
As I see it, an opposition is easy to see, although not always easy to deal with. A square just hangs around planting its poison (or it's suggestions, which may not be all that poisonous in reality) slowly and steadily.

I prefer the opposition, as it's easier to detect and identify.

That was the best way to describe the differance between a square and opposition. I always felt like squares are not honest because they are not in your face, they are at a side ways, tight and unfavorable angle. They constantly pokie at you, making them only obvious after you are forced to turn your head and look at them to say, "hey leave me the heck alone." LOL

At least a trine gives you some room to stretch and retreat if need be.

Squares are like subtle whispers in your ear, where as oppositions are in your face. Oppositions say look at me, here I am and how are you going to balance me? At least Oppositions give you an obvious solution straight up front, which is, balance me or else I will continue to have you out of balance...LOL


What is your opinion on how to over come the challenges of a square aspect? I have Mars Square Venus and although I am conscious of it, it still seems to sneak up on me and I am not able to pinpoint it until after I have reacted in a mars square venus way.


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What is your opinion on how to over come the challenges of a square aspect? I have Mars Square Venus and although I am conscious of it, it still seems to sneak up on me and I am not able to pinpoint it until after I have reacted in a mars square venus way.Astrologer4U
It depends upon the square as to how well one can identify it and detect it when it's about to be launched...........

The Mars-Venus square is not one I envy you having! When two energies are set against one another - energies which you need to be working openly and honestly for you - then they potentially be very destructive. I think that you have reached the first stage of dealing with this square - that of identifying the behaviour after the event. This is already a bonus. The next step is in identifying the triggers to your reactions to this square - easier said than done. A member of my wider family (who is 60) has this square, and she sprays her words, opinions and venom around like she has a right to be doing this. She doesn't get it. You get it, so that is the first necessary step to managing any square.
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It depends upon the square as to how well one can identify it and detect it when it's about to be launched...........

The Mars-Venus square is not one I envy you having! When two energies are set against one another - energies which you need to be working openly and honestly for you - then they potentially be very destructive. I think that you have reached the first stage of dealing with this square - that of identifying the behaviour after the event. This is already a bonus. The next step is in identifying the triggers to your reactions to this square - easier said than done. A member of my wider family (who is 60) has this square, and she sprays her words, opinions and venom around like she has a right to be doing this. She doesn't get it. You get it, so that is the first necessary step to managing any square.

Without getting to personal, what I have been doing for the past couple of years is, I let people hang their self, then I let them have it. I can't seem to win for losing though. One example, I let a relative come and stay with me, I didn't give her a time limit because I will be moving soon my self. She has three kids so I could not turn her away. I told her she did not have to pay me rent, she took that as, she can leave the television on all night and wash clothes whenever she feels like it. She also thinks she can run to the corner store and leave the three kids on me while she makes these runs to the store. Her boyfriend who is the father of the children, hangs out in front of my house in his car when he has nothing else to do. When he does this, she is constantly going in and out of my house to see him and bring him food items while the children are being baby sat by me or my teenage daughter. I knew that after today, I just could not hold back any longer. I told her she did not have to pay for the room but that she was going to have to pay something on the gas and electric plus water, and that I no longer wanted her boyfriend parking in front of my house, that he would have to meet her down th street or something. Next thing I know, I am hearing that she packed all of her things when I was gone and she told my daughter she was not coming back. I didn't care about her leaving but she wounded up coming back because no other family relative would allow her to come and stay with them. I asked her about why she had packed her things and was now back at my house. I knew the answer already but I wanted to hear it from her. Needless to say, we began to argue. She told me that I am alwyas looking to argue and that she is a grown woman and that, had I told her she would have to pay water, gas and electric, she would not have spent all of her check when she got paid. I said to her, what makes you think you can keep the television on all night and wash clothes anytime you want, cook food you didn't pay for and take it out to your boy friend for free? Let's not forget that I had told her a few weeks back about keeping the television on all night but she never stopped doing it. It was at that time that I also told her I did not want her boyfriend out in front of my house, but he still keeps being there. I didn't want to let her have it but I just could not take it anymore, I felt like she had been testing me becuase she knows that I want to be helpful but she also knows that I have a temper. I am thinking that she is using my temper as an excuse to get over on me. I gave her one to many chances to act like a responsible adult because I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt before chastising her but I just can't ever seem to win for losing. I attract these kinds of instances from men women and relatives My relationships period consist of these kinds of instances.

Maybe it is a combination of my mars square venus and moon square neptune.
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but I just can't ever seem to win for losing. I attract these kinds of instances from men women and relatives My relationships period consist of these kinds of instances.

Maybe it is a combination of my mars square venus and moon square neptune.
I'd say so.
And if you haven't already read this, then have a read of the following link
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astro...re-neptune.php

But don't be too hard on yourself once you've read it. My reason for posting this is to give you an opportunity to create a new reality around how you are with others.
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Forgive me for taking so long to respond. Yes Raven, I have read that Moon Square Neptune so many times before you even pointed me into the direction of where I could read it but when you posted the link, I read it again. The more I read it, the more clear it becomes to me, Thank you for your time and advice.




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Forgive me for taking so long to respond. Yes Raven, I have read that Moon Square Neptune so many times before you even pointed me into the direction of where I could read it but when you posted the link, I read it again. The more I read it, the more clear it becomes to me, Thank you for your time and advice. Astrologer4U
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I'm glad to have been some help. I know of quite a few people with this aspect (including moi!!), and it can be a real pain to deal with relationships honestly and realistically. It's the answer to the question: Is this real? which always stymies me.
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I'm glad to have been some help. I know of quite a few people with this aspect (including moi!!), and it can be a real pain to deal with relationships honestly and realistically. It's the answer to the question: Is this real? which always stymies me.

Me too, but don't you have those psychic spurts of what is real, which becomes so shocking when you find out that your instincts were correct?

That is the part of that aspect which challenges those who have the aspect, to transcend into, knowing what is real.



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