So why is this considered bonificiation?

Bunraku

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One of the considerations of maltreatment is an opposition by a malefic. So the opposite must be true for bonification, an opposition to a benefic(???)

So why is it beneficial? On the thema mundi the aspect of an opposition is that of Saturn’s. Won’t it make more sense for it to be a trine to a benefic instead?
 
Dirius

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Bunraku said:
One of the considerations of maltreatment is an opposition by a malefic. So the opposite must be true for bonification, an opposition to a benefic(???)

So why is it beneficial? On the thema mundi the aspect of an opposition is that of Saturn’s. Won’t it make more sense for it to be a trine to a benefic instead?
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Yes it makes more sense, because thats how it works.

A trine to a benefic is much more favourable than an opposition to a benefic.

An opposition to a benefic can be considered a "minor" positive effect, which does not always really bring you any good.
 
Bunraku

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Thanks. :lol: Authors aren’t consistent or a lot is lost due to age and degraded documents. Or it’s not stated outright
 
Dirius

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You've been making a lot of question on the traditional section.

What are you reading? what are you trying to learn? - what are you trying to comprehend :tongue:?

Asking out of curiosity.
 
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Bunraku said:
One of the considerations of maltreatment is an opposition by a malefic. So the opposite must be true for bonification, an opposition to a benefic(???)

So why is it beneficial? On the thema mundi the aspect of an opposition is that of Saturn’s. Won’t it make more sense for it to be a trine to a benefic instead?
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In practical terms, there is no general answer to this because you have to always consider the individual condition of each planet involved before you can reach your final verdict on how a specific configuration is eventually going to work out. Which is where the doctrine of good/bad aspects quickly reaches its limits. So instead of good vs. bad aspects, maybe think in terms of strong vs. weak aspects and then decide the good and the bad based on individual planetary conditions. An opposition is a very powerful aspect. Trines, squares and sextiles are less powerful. And it does make a huge difference if the aspect involves a benefic in bad condition or a malefic in good condition. Another important factor is (mutual) reception. So there's a lot more to consider here.
 
Bunraku

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In terms of technique its purpose or reason can be questioned without needing to delineate an entire chart. I don’t have a chart, just a question about general doctrines.
 
Bunraku

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I meant to say that modern traditional astrologers reconstructed the bonification doctrine because it’s not outwardly stated like the conditions of maltreatment. That’s why I asked. I should’ve been more clear.
 
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Dirius

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muchacho said:
So instead of good vs. bad aspects, maybe think in terms of strong vs. weak aspects and then decide the good and the bad based on individual planetary conditions. An opposition is a very powerful aspect. Trines, squares and sextiles are less powerful.

And it does make a huge difference if the aspect involves a benefic in bad condition or a malefic in good condition. Another important factor is (mutual) reception. So there's a lot more to consider here.
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Aspects don't have "power levels", they simply describe the relation between the signs both planets are located in. An opposition isn't "more powerful" than a square or trine, it just happens to describe a different situation and relation between both planets.

An aspect with a malefic is seldom good in traditional natal astrology, even a favourable aspect with a well placed malefic is still bad. A malefic planet will, by nature, apply negative traits to the planet it influences, even if these are considered the "best" traits the planet has to offer (by dignity) and the relation between planets develops easily (by trine). It is still bad and a negative influence for the planet who is in relation to the malefic.

This isn't the Horary section where, given the context of the chart, these things can be interpreted in another manner.

Also, this isn't dragon ball - no such thing as an aspect being stronger than another aspect :innocent::happy:
 
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JUPITERASC

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Dirius said:
Aspects don't have "power levels", they simply describe the relation between the signs both planets are located in. An opposition isn't "more powerful" than a square or trine, it just happens to describe a different situation and relation between both planets.

An aspect with a malefic is seldom good in traditional natal astrology, even a favourable aspect with a well placed malefic is still bad. A malefic planet will, by nature, apply negative traits to the planet it influences, even if these are considered the "best" traits the planet has to offer (by dignity) and the relation between planets develops easily (by trine).

It is still bad and a negative influence

for the planet who is in relation to the malefic.
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For example :smile:

Greater Malefic Saturn exalted in Libra
is a negative influence
on Libras Domicile ruler Venus
when natal Saturn is in Libra
Dirius said:
This isn't the Horary section where, given the context of the chart, these things can be interpreted in another manner.

Also, this isn't dragon ball - no such thing as an aspect being stronger than another aspect :innocent::happy:
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Dirius said:
Aspects don't have "power levels", they simply describe the relation between the signs both planets are located in. An opposition isn't "more powerful" than a square or trine, it just happens to describe a different situation and relation between both planets.

An aspect with a malefic is seldom good in traditional natal astrology, even a favourable aspect with a well placed malefic is still bad. A malefic planet will, by nature, apply negative traits to the planet it influences, even if these are considered the "best" traits the planet has to offer (by dignity) and the relation between planets develops easily (by trine). It is still bad and a negative influence for the planet who is in relation to the malefic.

This isn't the Horary section where, given the context of the chart, these things can be interpreted in another manner.

Also, this isn't dragon ball - no such thing as an aspect being stronger than another aspect :innocent::happy:
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Judging by your comments, you seem to be much more of a modern astrologer than you are willing to admit.
 
Bunraku

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I’m not an astrologer.
And modern is used to describe a movement of the past.

Maybe contemporary skeptic of astrology? :lol:
 
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