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I hope you can help me interpret this chart.

I want to know who's going to win presidential elections in my country. Many people here are in distress because one of the parties that is contending is a comunist one, with its leader being educated in Cuba and admiring socialism 'revolution leaders' as Fidel Castro and Nicolas Maduro. The runner for the election isn't the party leader, but a labor unionist called Pedro Castillo.

Some people here are planning to move to another country before a communist dictatorship is installed, I'm planning to do the same... I want to know what to do in advance, that's one of the reasons why I asked the question.

The question was 'Will Pedro Castillo become president?'. but I have no clue on how to proceed. Is he represented by 7th lord?, If so he's Venus in turned 8H. His success would be represented by his turned 10th lord, the moon. I've seen some examples of horary where the moon represent the electorate, but I'm not sure. The Moon is separating from Venus by square. Is this a No? Is this the right way to interpret this kind of charts? I would really appreciate any input on this. Thanks in advance.

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When Anthony Louis asked a question in his book about who would win an election, he followed Joan McEvers' method and assigned the person to the 7th house. I think that works here as well. Castillo's ruler is strong in his 8th house of transformation, but it is making a square to expansive Jupiter. I see this as him not being able to move into the president's spot.

An aspect that agrees with this is your co-ruler's trine to your ruler. However, your ruler conjuncts the 4th house cusp which could represent a move.
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When Anthony Louis asked a question in his book about who would win an election, he followed Joan McEvers' method and assigned the person to the 7th house. I think that works here as well. Castillo's ruler is strong in his 8th house of transformation, but it is making a square to expansive Jupiter. I see this as him not being able to move into the president's spot.

An aspect that agrees with this is your co-ruler's trine to your ruler. However, your ruler conjuncts the 4th house cusp which could represent a move.
Thanks so much for replying I'll take a look at McEvers' method.
Elections took place two days ago and Castillo is winning, but I expect a turnaround. Results are not final yet. I was wondering if Castillo in 8H and Pluto in his 4H would mean he and his supporters committing violent acts and causing fatalities once final results are known.
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Thanks so much for replying I'll take a look at McEvers' method.
Elections took place two days ago and Castillo is winning, but I expect a turnaround. Results are not final yet. I was wondering if Castillo in 8H and Pluto in his 4H would mean he and his supporters committing violent acts and causing fatalities once final results are known.

Inquisag, just as an aside, I looked up a description of Castillo's policy beliefs, and was surprised that he's been labeled a "Progressive".

That's because he's anti-gay marriage, and strictly anti-abortion. In the U.S., that would be considered an "archconservative" on social issues.
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I'm sorry but I don't understand ANYTHING about Peruvian politics and who is good for the country....

BUT this is Mercury RX time. Nothing will stand at this time. Confusion.

Maybe a new election?

In SQ with Neptune right now. Deceit? Cheating?

Did they use those fraudulent voting machines?

I don't you will have an answer for at least 3 weeks when Mercury is out of
RX.

The winner will likely be announced then & it probably will not be the person they are claiming won the election at this present time.

You posted another chart which I don't have time to look at now.

Good Luck & I hope the people in Peru get the LEGAL President that they voted for.





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Elections took place two days ago and Castillo is winning, but I expect a turnaround. Results are not final yet. I was wondering if Castillo in 8H and Pluto in his 4H would mean he and his supporters committing violent acts and causing fatalities once final results are known.

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Re: Result of Presidential Election

naw ...the current idiot is staying in power

Saturn is too strong and nothing really messes with it
plus it is not at the end of the sign and MH is in the middle of a sign
so No .. no change in a presidency

Venus changes signs but it is not aspecting saturn
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Inquisag, just as an aside, I looked up a description of Castillo's policy beliefs, and was surprised that he's been labeled a "Progressive".

That's because he's anti-gay marriage, and strictly anti-abortion. In the U.S., that would be considered an "archconservative" on social issues.
It certainly would be.
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With Mars making a trine to Moon and sextile to Uranus, I will be surprised if things become violent.
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OK, I looked at your 2nd chart where you asked if Pedro Castillo would be Presidente?

Pedro is 10th as it's the Leader of the country. Ruled by and placed in 11th. It makes hard aspect to both . I believe he will be 'upset by the opposing party'. i.e. Pedro will not be Presidente.

Khiron conjunct AC, bitter disappointment & great wounding. Maybe he thought he had won but with the RX and confusion he will not be declared the winner in the end (probably won't know the true results of the election for 2 weeks or longer).

Castillo's opponent is ruled by also placed in 11th but . This is GREAT NEWS for this person as the people are HAPPY to elect them.

also located at the IC! Wow, this person has the public 'movement behind them.

Final answer: Castillo will NOT be President, his opponent WILL win & be the next President of Peru.


Let's WAIT & see what happens at the end of June.


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I hope you are right. I'm so sick of these violent political events.

IC is angular & powerful. It makes hard aspects too incld MC.

Let's hope & pray that the two parties can calm down and you are right...the is very lovely.


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Re: Result of Presidential Election

Looks like Castillo is winning

I dont get it . where is aspect either to MH to Saturn or anything tbh

Venus moving out oof Taurus to Gemini is not a good sign
because venus will be on top of weeping sisters
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A article I just saw said 99% of the vote was counted with Castillo at 50.2 and Fujimori at 49.8. That 1% could still be a win for Fujimori.

I also saw this in the article - "On Thursday, the crisis intensified when a prosecutor asked a judge to jail Ms. Fujimori, who is facing corruption charges related to a previous run for president.

Accused of running a criminal organization that trafficked in illegal campaign donations, Ms. Fujimori could be sentenced to 30 years in prison. Detained and released three times as the case proceeds, she is now accused by the prosecution of having contact with case witnesses, a violation of her release." - New York Times

The Venus square to Jupiter could just represent difficulties that Castillo is able to overcome.
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I hope you can help me interpret this chart.

I want to know who's going to win presidential elections in my country. Many people here are in distress because one of the parties that is contending is a comunist one, with its leader being educated in Cuba and admiring socialism 'revolution leaders' as Fidel Castro and Nicolas Maduro. The runner for the election isn't the party leader, but a labor unionist called Pedro Castillo.

Some people here are planning to move to another country before a communist dictatorship is installed, I'm planning to do the same... I want to know what to do in advance, that's one of the reasons why I asked the question.

The question was 'Will Pedro Castillo become president?'. but I have no clue on how to proceed. Is he represented by 7th lord?, If so he's Venus in turned 8H. His success would be represented by his turned 10th lord, the moon. I've seen some examples of horary where the moon represent the electorate, but I'm not sure. The Moon is separating from Venus by square. Is this a No? Is this the right way to interpret this kind of charts? I would really appreciate any input on this. Thanks in advance.

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It depends on the situation you've got there. I know of two different approaches. Is it an outsider challenging someone already in power? Or is it two outsiders fighting for a win in order to get into power? In the first case you would work with the 10th and 4th. In the latter case you work with the 1st and 7th and in this case you also should be clear about who you prefer.
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A article I just saw said 99% of the vote was counted with Castillo at 50.2 and Fujimori at 49.8. That 1% could still be a win for Fujimori.

I also saw this in the article - "On Thursday, the crisis intensified when a prosecutor asked a judge to jail Ms. Fujimori, who is facing corruption charges related to a previous run for president.

Accused of running a criminal organization that trafficked in illegal campaign donations, Ms. Fujimori could be sentenced to 30 years in prison. Detained and released three times as the case proceeds, she is now accused by the prosecution of having contact with case witnesses, a violation of her release." - New York Times

The Venus square to Jupiter could just represent difficulties that Castillo is able to overcome.
significator that is void and about to flip from one sign to another tells us that situation might get from bettter to worse if it is in in essential dignity
and changing to peregrine

or if a planet is peregrine/fall/detriment and changing into its own rulerships

he gets the job and will hate it or be bad at it?

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OK, I looked at your 2nd chart where you asked if Pedro Castillo would be Presidente?

Pedro is 10th as it's the Leader of the country. Ruled by and placed in 11th. It makes hard aspect to both . I believe he will be 'upset by the opposing party'. i.e. Pedro will not be Presidente.

Khiron conjunct AC, bitter disappointment & great wounding. Maybe he thought he had won but with the RX and confusion he will not be declared the winner in the end (probably won't know the true results of the election for 2 weeks or longer).

Castillo's opponent is ruled by also placed in 11th but . This is GREAT NEWS for this person as the people are HAPPY to elect them.

also located at the IC! Wow, this person has the public 'movement behind them.

Final answer: Castillo will NOT be President, his opponent WILL win & be the next President of Peru.


Let's WAIT & see what happens at the end of June.


Thanks so much blackbery for your insight.



Pedro Castillo isn't the current president but an outsider. He was made visible in the polls just a few days before the first round of elections, back in April. On the other hand, the president of the electoral court and the current President of Peru are ideologically filiated to Pedro Castillo. Current president of Peru is a latte socialist. President of electoral court is a communist who has has even worked in favor of terrorists, both as an attorney and then as a judge. Since the first round of elections it was clear that electoral authorities were favoring left-wing parties. So even if 10H does not represent Castillo, it could represent authorities which in this case are supporting him.



You're right about Castillo's opponent, there are many people supporting her and we all were surprised when we found out that the result of the elections was almost a dead heat. Her supporters are quite anxious, we don't know what to do... If Castillo wins large business will move to another country, people is already losing their jobs, capital flight has been occuring since past month. Houses and apartments price have decreased dramatically, while food is getting more expensive. Unfortunately, many people who voted Castillo think that once results are final, economy will go back to normal, but they ignore that the cause of the economic instability is the iminence of a communist government taking power.
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I'm sorry but I don't understand ANYTHING about Peruvian politics and who is good for the country....

BUT this is Mercury RX time. Nothing will stand at this time. Confusion.

Maybe a new election?

In SQ with Neptune right now. Deceit? Cheating?

Did they use those fraudulent voting machines?

I don't you will have an answer for at least 3 weeks when Mercury is out of
RX.

The winner will likely be announced then & it probably will not be the person they are claiming won the election at this present time.

You posted another chart which I don't have time to look at now.

Good Luck & I hope the people in Peru get the LEGAL President that they voted for.

It looks that a fraud has been cooked since the first round of elections I also hope we get the president that the majority chose
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YES!

As soon as I looked at the chart, it looked like deception/fraud happening.

And that's why I mentioned that the result will not be known until the end of June when Mercury turns direct again.

About the 10th H. That is the house to look at if you are asking if a candidate will win the Presidency. It represents the top job.

I looked at the chart again and if astrology is accurate, then Pedro will NOT win and his opponent (you say it's a woman. Wow! Great news. ) WILL win.

I agree that when Marxists get into power, they promise the people they'll all be rich & happy but the reverse happens, the people end up broke & unhappy!

I mean, what do they expect? With Marxism, there is no economic growth. The gov't owns everything & nobody can open up a business & employ people & pay wages. Marxism/communism always leads to a dead economy.

Tikana is the most experienced astrologer & she also predicted that Castillo would lose. She doesn't appear to like the women opponent but she did not use astrology to fit who she wants to win.
Tikana is rarely wrong so I'm glad we both came to the same conclusion.




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A article I just saw said 99% of the vote was counted with Castillo at 50.2 and Fujimori at 49.8. That 1% could still be a win for Fujimori.

I also saw this in the article - "On Thursday, the crisis intensified when a prosecutor asked a judge to jail Ms. Fujimori, who is facing corruption charges related to a previous run for president.

Accused of running a criminal organization that trafficked in illegal campaign donations, Ms. Fujimori could be sentenced to 30 years in prison. Detained and released three times as the case proceeds, she is now accused by the prosecution of having contact with case witnesses, a violation of her release." - New York Times

The Venus square to Jupiter could just represent difficulties that Castillo is able to overcome.


If Castillo wins there's a chance that a seizure of power occurs. I wonder if that event could be represented by the Jupiter square Venus.
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Looks like Castillo is winning

I dont get it . where is aspect either to MH to Saturn or anything tbh

Venus moving out oof Taurus to Gemini is not a good sign
because venus will be on top of weeping sisters
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Theres a chance of a power seizure if Castillo wins. A few members of his political party have been involved in terrorist acts in the past, and the other members justify and support terrorist acts. It's said that the army and the police aren't going to obey orders from the terrorists they fought a couple of decades ago.
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It depends on the situation you've got there. I know of two different approaches. Is it an outsider challenging someone already in power? Or is it two outsiders fighting for a win in order to get into power? In the first case you would work with the 10th and 4th. In the latter case you work with the 1st and 7th and in this case you also should be clear about who you prefer.

This chart is the latter case. I'm sure about which candidate I prefer. I voted for her in the second round of 2011 and 2016 elections and first round of 2021 elections by the time I casted the chart.
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BlackLioness87, when you asked this question was the sun rising? I see 3:48 AM
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BlackLioness87, when you asked this question was the sun rising? I see 3:48 AM

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Here, sun rises after 5:30AM.
I was thinking that Saturn could be almuten for the 7th house, but that only applies to day charts.
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I was thinking that Saturn could be almuten for the 7th house, but that only applies to day charts.

I haven't used almutens before but I've been reading about that since you mentioned it. I just found an almuten of signs table on Anthony Louis' book. It's very interesting that in this chart the almutens are the same as the rulers. I guess Venus is the right significator for him.



It seems we'll know the outcome after Mercury goes direct. There's also the chance of the result to be invalidated in the end, there's enough evidence to prove that a fraud has been commited in this election.
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YES!

As soon as I looked at the chart, it looked like deception/fraud happening.

And that's why I mentioned that the result will not be known until the end of June when Mercury turns direct again.

About the 10th H. That is the house to look at if you are asking if a candidate will win the Presidency. It represents the top job.

I looked at the chart again and if astrology is accurate, then Pedro will NOT win and his opponent (you say it's a woman. Wow! Great news. ) WILL win.

I agree that when Marxists get into power, they promise the people they'll all be rich & happy but the reverse happens, the people end up broke & unhappy!

I mean, what do they expect? With Marxism, there is no economic growth. The gov't owns everything & nobody can open up a business & employ people & pay wages. Marxism/communism always leads to a dead economy.

Tikana is the most experienced astrologer & she also predicted that Castillo would lose. She doesn't appear to like the women opponent but she did not use astrology to fit who she wants to win.
Tikana is rarely wrong so I'm glad we both came to the same conclusion.

Tell me, where the hell did I say that i don't like women opponents? I gotta hear this.

For people who dont understand or follow peruvian elections.

It's a mess.
Manuel Merino ruled Peru for 5 days in 2020 (nov 10 to 15th) - Popular action party
Sagasti - current president is Purple party - he has been a president since november 17 of 2020

Now we are back in the elections . since april Peru is having elections

Fujimori - popular force party
castillo - free peru party

Fitting all this into astrology

Current 10th house is current political party in charge (Purple party)
Popular force party or free peru party need to overthrow current Purple party in power.

Since you state "I'm sorry but I don't understand ANYTHING about Peruvian politics and who is good for the country...." maybe reading news once in a while may not be such a bad of an idea instead of posting false accusations and your political views instead of stuff pretaining to the chart?

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