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Unread 10-19-2013, 05:55 AM
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Re: Relationships and Morality of Predicting Those In Natal As Well As Horary Astrolo

Well that's the real question, isn't it? With the natal chart (or other radical chart such as for an event/inception, etc) plus progressions (or profections or directions) of that chart, plus transit analyses to the horoscopic points of that chart, and with the additional use of elections, is a specific interrogational methodology (ie, horary) ever really needed?

For me, I would be sorry to do without horary-particularly in astro-medical matters. But it is a legitimate question: a question every practitioner (based upon insight derived from thoughtful experience) will have to answer for themselves.

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Re: Relationships and Morality of Predicting Those In Natal As Well As Horary Astrolo

Since I havent been part of this discussion from the start i'm just going to comment on the first post.

In my opinion predicting someone's future when asked has nothing to do with morality. It would be, if said astrologer would push his view upon people that didn't ask for their view on the matter.
I think this has everything to do with the "asker" instead of morals. If said asker wants to know about future circumstances regarding relationships (or death), it will be this persons own responsibility to handle the answer in a healthy manner. My advice to such questions would be: think before you ask.

Now about the way I personally think astrology works: people can predict the circumstances of life by looking at the position of our constellations, they cannot predict what the subject will chose to do with those circumstances. If I would be, say, a very introverted guy and an astrologer tells me july holds great possibility to meet a new lover, that would mean that if I would take just a little more risk by acting a little more spontaneaus I would greatly improve my chances of meeting this potential lover. Would I stay in place, the introvert guy, chances would be less or nil.
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Re: Relationships and Morality of Predicting Those In Natal As Well As Horary Astrolo

There have been multiple threads closed on our forum
on which the ending of a relationship resulted in possibility of attempted suicide

also

media and newspapers are replete with examples
of relationships ending in death
a person may have been murdered for example by the person they spurned

or
a person may have committed suicide after being spurned

or
someone in a relationship killed the other person

and so on
so clearly

there ARE ethical considerations
when predicting Horary outcomes

if for example the client could react negatively
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Re: Relationships and Morality of Predicting Those In Natal As Well As Horary Astrolo

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Well that's the real question, isn't it?

With the natal chart (or other radical chart such as for an event/inception, etc) plus progressions (or profections or directions) of that chart, plus transit analyses to the horoscopic points of that chart, and with the additional use of elections, is a specific interrogational methodology (ie, horary) ever really needed?
For me, I would be sorry to do without horary
-particularly in astro-medical matters.
But it is a legitimate question:
a question every practitioner
(based upon insight derived from thoughtful experience)
will have to answer for themselves.
Someone who understands how horary works
realises why is important to give the background story of their question.

Horary is very different from natal
the background provision is not gossip
but is a proviso in order to help the horary practitioner
ASSIGN CORRECT SIGNIFICATORS/RULERS..
The exact nature of the relationship with the Quesited is paramount information
Horary can answer anything AS LONG AS
we approach the chart correctly
BY ESTABLISHING TO BEGIN WITH
that the question is not a frivolous one and is based in relaity
and so

the person asking an horary question
must give a clear background of their question
why they are asking
what their relationship to the other person
and
it is paramount that the reader understands
that these consultations are not professional
because those responding are beginners
with little or no knowledge of astrology
and all too fequently simply invent own rules

ETHICAL CONSIDERATION INCLUDES
whether the question asked violates the privacy of another
as well as
whether the question is defamatory in nature
such as implying that the questited is a murderer
- a question asked just recently on one of our horary boards!

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Re: Relationships and Morality of Predicting Those In Natal As Well As Horary Astrolo

example with reference to

the morality of the following horary question

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And speaking as a moderator: this thread is teetering on the edge of breaking several rules. First of all, rudeness and attacking are NOT allowed; respect of other posters is REQUIRED at all times.
There have been some borderline rude responses
to people who have reasonably pointed out
the problems with using horary for this kind of question.
Furthermore, posting other people's natal charts IS allowed if ONE of the following is true:
you have their explicit permission to do so
(which the OP doesn't appear to)
OR you remove their name and birth information from the chart
and do not share any identifying details.
Since the natal chart posted has been anonymized, and no clearly identifying details have been shared, it meets the forum rules on that count. However, this is the horary section. Natal charts are NOT to be posted here unless there's a clear connection being made between a natal chart and the horary.
And that says nothing about the ethics of posting someone else's natal chart.

It's not fair to ask astrological questions
about someone who's not participating in the conversation
and has not consented to having questions asked about them.

Furthermore, interpreting a birth chart is quite subjective
. Every bit of it has multiple possible manifestations, only some of which will be true of the native.
It's impossible to determine which of the many possible manifestations apply
without the native present to affirm or contradict.
And the chart does NOT show what choices the native has made in their life.
Whether this person has a criminal career
or just a very secretive but perfectly legal one,
the astrological markers would be the same.
highlighting the following:

'....It's not fair to ask astrological questions
about someone who's not participating in the conversation
and has not consented to having questions asked about them...'
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Originally Posted by tikana View Post
Osamenor
I have a few griefs over the question.

1. if the querent is not in direct danger from the quested,
querent is not minding her own business
(later asce usually yields mind your own business)
Primary why I do not wanna answer the question I dont know the intent
or how will the answers be used.
Plus this is 2nd question from the querent

about mafia/murder connection.
Makes you really wonder what is going on.
Quite
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2.as you pointed out, natal chart does not "make" a person do this or that.
3. natal chart was posted but it was deleted (I think you guys took it down - good) .. no permission do not post the chart
4. If there is nothing you can personally affect a situation, dont ask.
(i am not talking about you just saying in general.

Lets say he is a mafioso murderer - then what?
tik
good question
and also

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It's not fair to ask astrological questions
about someone who's not participating in the conversation
and has not consented to having questions asked about them.
Whether this person has a criminal career
or just a very secretive but perfectly legal one,
the astrological markers would be the same.
in any event the individual has been deprived of their rights
to defend themselves from defamatory inferences
from people whose motives are unknown
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Re: Relationships and Morality of Predicting Those In Natal As Well As Horary Astrolo

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example with reference to

the morality of the following horary question


highlighting the following:

'....It's not fair to ask astrological questions
about someone who's not participating in the conversation
and has not consented to having questions asked about them...'

Quite

good question
and also


in any event the individual has been deprived of their rights
to defend themselves from defamatory inferences
from people whose motives are unknown
Yes, but this must then include all questions about other persons like "Is my ex involved with someone else?" or " Does our postman cheat on his wife?". Indeed this is not the querents business but such questions are nevertheless answered in this forum. I think we agree with that questions about mortality and murder are too delicate and the astrologer have to
decide subjectively , depents on the intentions and context of the querent if he wants to answer the question or not. In the example she could indeed ask and get an answer ...the answer is lying in the chart...but I still wonder what she will do with it. Especially, what is if the astrologer gives the wrong answer but the querent relies on it?! the effects are too dangerous in such cases.
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Yes, but this must then include all questions about other persons like
"Is my ex involved with someone else?"
or " Does our postman cheat on his wife?".
Indeed this is not the querents business
but such questions are nevertheless answered in this forum.

I think we agree with that questions about mortality and murder are too delicate
and the astrologer have to decide subjectively ,
depents on the intentions and context of the querent
if he wants to answer the question or not.
In the example she could indeed ask and get an answer
...the answer is lying in the chart...
but I still wonder what she will do with it.

Especially, what is if the astrologer gives the wrong answer
but the querent relies on it?!
the effects are too dangerous in such cases.
astrologers are not omnipotent

many SEEM unaware that astrologers frequently provide unreliable responses
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