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#1
04-26-2018, 05:21 AM
 Whoam1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 3,643
Orb for Parralels

Curious if there is an orb allowance for Parralel, if so they would get act as weaker aspects I'm assuming. Like a 1 or 2 orb would make it more along the strength of a Trine/Semi-square?

#2
04-26-2018, 12:26 PM
 JUPITERASC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 53,626
Re: Orb for Parralels

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 Originally Posted by Whoam1 Curious if there is an orb allowance for Parralel, if so they would get act as weaker aspects I'm assuming. Like a 1 or 2 orb would make it more along the strength of a Trine/Semi-square?
dr. farr has studied and practiced astrology for more than fifty years
and comments as follows at https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...922#post545922
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 Originally Posted by dr. farr I sometimes use the Parallel of (celestial) latitude: when I do, I consider that Parallels in the same degree and the same North/South division, to be equivalent to conjunctions. In Parallels of Declination I use 1 degree 30 minutes, up to 2 full degrees, as an orb: however for Parallel of latitude I consider that the points involved must be in the same degree (thus the orb I use here is minutes rather than degrees) I always look first for any Parallels of Declination: and I consider these to take precedence over Parallel of latitude (since I go so much importance to the Equator); if I find no Parallels of Declination I then check for any Parallels of latitude.
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04-26-2018, 02:11 PM
 Whoam1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 3,643
Re: Orb for Parralels

Thanks JupAC. Would this undo a inconj? I have a Pluto Contra-Parralel Saturn that is inconj. Normally it leave this alone as this aspect is so impersonal however they both aspect my Moon (and Saturn Aspects my Sun, Mercury, and Uranus too).
#4
05-04-2018, 02:50 AM
 dr. farr Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: los angeles california Posts: 12,474
Re: Orb for Parralels

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 Originally Posted by Whoam1 Thanks JupAC. Would this undo a inconj? I have a Pluto Contra-Parralel Saturn that is inconj. Normally it leave this alone as this aspect is so impersonal however they both aspect my Moon (and Saturn Aspects my Sun, Mercury, and Uranus too).
In my opinion the influence of the contra-parallel would likely override the inconjunct, the contra-parralel being (according to the majority of authorities) influentially equivalent to an opposition.

(Note: personally I do not recognize contra-parallels as = to oppositions; I have not determined exactly what influence the cp's actually represent-remember that in astrological teachings as late as the 1950's, parallels were considered to be when planets were within 1/1.5 degrees of latitude regardless of being north or south: ie, "contra-parallels" were not considered to exist)
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#5
05-04-2018, 03:12 AM
 Whoam1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 3,643
Re: Orb for Parralels

Thanks Dr farr. I'm actually now exploring unaspected planets (No minor major or Parralels) I have one true unaspected planet, Neptune in Capricorn
(my dominant sign is Capricorn through exalted Mars and Saturn-Sun-Moon grandtrine). I view Capricorn as a water sign (probably Neptune showing). Any good reliable resources for researching unaspected planets (mine is for whatever reason really powerful).
#6
05-04-2018, 04:18 AM
 waybread Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: A class M planet near you Posts: 14,535
Re: Orb for Parralels

For parallels and counter-parallels, I would want something to be pretty close to exact. A degree, maybe two for the sun and moon. The trouble with wide orbs is that we can reach a point where we can make a chart mean anything we want.

A parallel is comparable to a conjunction. A counter-parallel is comparable to an opposition. I wouldn't consider other aspects. They're not really part of the meaning of parallels and counter parallels.

I use parallels and CPs in relation to what else is going on in the chart. For example, my moon and Pluto are widely conjunct, but parallel within a degree. This strengthens the legitimacy of the wide conjunction.
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#7
05-04-2018, 04:27 AM
 waybread Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: A class M planet near you Posts: 14,535
Re: Orb for Parralels

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 Originally Posted by Whoam1 Thanks Dr farr. I'm actually now exploring unaspected planets (No minor major or Parralels) I have one true unaspected planet, Neptune in Capricorn (my dominant sign is Capricorn through exalted Mars and Saturn-Sun-Moon grandtrine). I view Capricorn as a water sign (probably Neptune showing). Any good reliable resources for researching unaspected planets (mine is for whatever reason really powerful).
You might also start by looking for the lower-denomination minor aspects, like quintiles, septiles, and noviles.

I think quintiles involving a personal planet are actually very powerful. A person with sun quintile Pluto, for example, will normally have a lot of ambition. The Astrodienst aspectarians show quintiles (Q).

Septiles (360/7) seem to relate to inspiration and discipline. Supposedly they are common in the charts of composers and members of the clergy.

Noviles (360/9) are variously described as weak trines, or as showing areas of delight.

Note that these aspects work in multiples: bi-quintiles (144 degrees of separation,) tri-septiles (154 degrees,) bi-noviles (80 degrees) and so on.
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I thought we went along paths--but it seems there are no paths. The going itself is the path.
C.S. Lewis, Perelandra.

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#8
05-04-2018, 06:37 AM
 Whoam1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 3,643
Re: Orb for Parralels

Thanks wb. I think Neptune is string because it's unaspected and in my first house. I'll check for luminary Neptune aspects just in case.
#9
05-04-2018, 06:47 AM
 Whoam1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 3,643
Re: Orb for Parralels

Mercury Neptune could be possible novile. Not as nearly as personal as the unaspected Neptune.
#10
05-05-2018, 03:47 AM
 waybread Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: A class M planet near you Posts: 14,535
Re: Orb for Parralels

Do you want to post your chart here? Just note any parallels or counter-parallels.

The easy way to find septiles, &c if you don't have special software is do run a harmonic chart at Astrodienst on the minor aspect in question. The septile aspect will show up as a conjunction in your 7th harmonic chart. (Just back out any actual conjunctions in your radix chart.)

(I have Neptune in the first, as well, in Placidus, tropical. Kind of a life-long identity crisis?)
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I thought we went along paths--but it seems there are no paths. The going itself is the path.
C.S. Lewis, Perelandra.

Life is not about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself. Message on a refrigerator magnet.
#11
05-05-2018, 04:34 AM
 Whoam1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 3,643
Re: Orb for Parralels

I already checked septiles to Neptune, there is none. I have also checked noviles I have one to mercury, but I don't feel it.
#12
04-12-2019, 01:21 AM
 david starling Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Yes Posts: 20,755
Re: Orb for Parralels

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 Originally Posted by waybread For parallels and counter-parallels, I would want something to be pretty close to exact. A degree, maybe two for the sun and moon. The trouble with wide orbs is that we can reach a point where we can make a chart mean anything we want. A parallel is comparable to a conjunction. A counter-parallel is comparable to an opposition. I wouldn't consider other aspects. They're not really part of the meaning of parallels and counter parallels. I use parallels and CPs in relation to what else is going on in the chart. For example, my moon and Pluto are widely conjunct, but parallel within a degree. This strengthens the legitimacy of the wide conjunction.
Waybread, what site are you using for determining Parallels? And, do you actually use Contra-parallels to devalue even close Longitudinal Conjunctions and Parallels to increase the value of wide-Orb Conjunctions as a matter of course for every Chart you read? Thanks!

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