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Those who believe in a Messianic Age, in the context of Abrahamic religions, don't normally connect it to the astrological Age of Aquarius.

Conversely, those who believe in an Age of Aquarius don't normally or necessarily connect it with a Messianic Age.

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Those who believe in a Messianic Age, in the context of Abrahamic religions, don't normally connect it to the astrological Age of Aquarius.

Conversely, those who believe in an Age of Aquarius don't normally or necessarily connect it with a Messianic Age.
Actually, the age of Aquarius originated as a (anti-)Messianic (Jesus Messiah) concept
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Actually, the age of Aquarius originated as a (anti-)Messianic (Jesus Messiah) concept
Why anti-Messianic?
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Why anti-Messianic?
Because the true Messiah has already come during the seventy weeks. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord - Jesus Christ, certainly not an Indian (the Messiah must be from the tribe of Judah) or the one most Jews await.
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Because the true Messiah has already come during the seventy weeks. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord - Jesus Christ, certainly not an Indian or the one most Jews await.
What about the Second Coming?
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What about the Second Coming?
The Bible tells us that the second coming will occur only after an unseen worldwide tribulation, deception, wickedness and worship of a FALSE MESSIAH.
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The Bible tells us that the second coming will occur only after an unseen worldwide tribulation, deception, wickedness and worship of a FALSE MESSIAH.
The original idea for the New Age was very unorthodox, and non-Biblical in many ways. It definitely wasn't a product of organized religion, although it did include the term "Second Coming".

It had a start date based on Precession of the Equinoxes, rather than the Bible. It used the older value of 2160 years per sidereal Precessional Age, now 2148 years, and had the New Age (not yet named "the Age of Aquarius") beginning in 2160.
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Because the true Messiah has already come during the seventy weeks. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord - Jesus Christ, certainly not an Indian (the Messiah must be from the tribe of Judah) or the one most Jews await.
Lol there are Indian Jews.
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Lol there are Indian Jews.
There are certainly Jews all over the world - descendants, converts and ten lost tribes, but to my knowledge Krishnamurti was not a descendant of David.
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There are certainly Jews all over the world - descendants, converts and ten lost tribes, but to my knowledge Krishnamurti was not a descendant of David.
He turned down the job offer.

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The credit for labeling the new Precessional, sidereal Age "the Aquarian Age" goes to Karl Jung, who secularized it. He also added the weight of his fame and recognized authority to it, and added greatly to its popularity.

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He turned down the job offer.
Krishnamurti turned down the job offer that people were freely offering to him #notmymessiah. Jesus accepted his mission and knew that he had to keep the commandments of God (usually called covenant, not contract ), and to suffer for it:

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he opened not his mouth;
like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,
and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
so he opened not his mouth.
By oppression and judgment he was taken away;
and as for his generation, who considered
that he was cut off out of the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people?
- Is. 53:7-8 esv
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Krishnamurti turned down the job offer that people were freely offering to him #notmymessiah. Jesus accepted his mission and knew that he had to keep the commandments of God (usually called covenant, not contract ), and to suffer for it:

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he opened not his mouth;
like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,
and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
so he opened not his mouth.
By oppression and judgment he was taken away;
and as for his generation, who considered
that he was cut off out of the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people?
- Is. 53:7-8 esv

Attended a question and answer lecture by Krishnamurti in Santa Monica in the late 1960's. He made no claim to be of Divine status. Highly intelligent though.
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This voyage of discovery regarding tropical Ages came about, in large part, due to the failure of the sidereal Age of Pisces to explain the events, attitudes, and abilities of the past 2000 years. What the sidereal Age of Pisces can't explain is covered by the tropical Age of Capricorn. And, vice versa.
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If there are any tropical or sidereal Pisceans wondering why "your" sidereal Age of Pisces turned out to be so contentious and adversarial, this method for determining the tropical Ages explains it.
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Current, Dominant Age-ruler Saturn will be exactly conj the 2020 True-setting of the tropical Age Indicator on March 14th, @ 29 degrees 25 minutes Capricorn.

Saturn will be exactly conj the 2020 Mean-setting of the tropical Age Indicator on Feb. 26th, @ 27 degrees 47 minutes Capricorn, as the Dominant, tropical Age of Capricorn slooowly nears its ending.

The Mean-setting moves constantly Direct, at about a minute of arc per year, and will reach the 0 degree of tropical Aquarius in 2149, which is the EFFECTIVE start-date of the Dominant, Uranian-ruled, tropical Aquarian Age. It's about a 21,000 year cycle since the last effective beginning of the Dominant, tropical Aquarian Age.

The True-setting swings back and forth due to the Lunar orbit around the Earth, +/- nearly 2 degrees relative to the Mean-setting. It will ingress tropical Aquarius in 2047, signaling the PRELIMINARY start-date of the Dominant, Uranian-ruled, tropical Aquarian Age.

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Although I can demonstrate the accuracy of the PLACEMENT of this tropical Age-indicator using the standard, Western historical time-line, it doesn't really tell us what the Age of Aquarius will be like. Each indicator has its own characteristics when in a particular Sign.

We therefore shouldn't use the Sun in Aquarius, for example, to describe what the Earth's Age Indicator in Aquarius will bring, just as looking at the Sun in Capricorn doesn't fully describe the Age of Capricorn we're in now. Also, the Age is the AGGREGATE result of the placement of the Age-indicator in all Charts at once, for many Centuries, relative to ALL placements in the specific Age-sign.

I contend that we can't fully comprehend what the PREVIOUS Ages were really like either, because we project the nature of the current Age back into the distant past. Things that are incomprehensible to us now made sense then.

So, I think it's about time for me to start logically and intuitively considering what the as-yet-unknown results of the tropical version of the Aquarian Age will be like.

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We can use decans (the 30 degree Signs divided into three 10 degree segments) to see how the Modality relates to when a tropical Age becomes most effective in manifesting the intrinsic nature of the Age-sign itself. Fortunately, the timeline of Western history includes an entire seasonal quadrant of Ages: Tropical Age of Libra (Cardinal), c. 4850-3100 B.C.E.; then, the tropical Age of Scorpio (Fixed), c. 3100-1350 B.C.E.; and, completing the Fall quadrant, the tropical Age of Sagittarius (Mutable), c. 1350 B.C.E.-400 A.D.

The Cardinal-sign Age begins a new seasonal quadrant: Innovative and inventive, with great resistance from the ways of the previous quadrant, which pushes the most representative developments into the 3rd decant.

The Fixed-sign Age then inherits the new theme which fully develops at the ENDING of the LAST decant of the Cardinal-sign Age. Fixed-sign Ages are established and intense, with almost no resistance from the preceding seasonal quadrant; and, the result is an immediate response at the BEGINNING of the FIRST decant of the Age in accordance with the nature of the Age-sign.

The Mutable-sign Age inherits the theme introduced in the last decant of the Cardinal-sign Age, and all of the intense developments of the Fixed-sign Age. The result is a variation on the theme, exploring the possibilities, especially in the MIDDLE decant.

As this pattern predicts, we're now in the most materialistic, innovative and inventive phase at the ending of the tropical, Cardinal/Earth-sign Age of Capricorn, ruled by Saturn, which became an imperative in Western Europe at the beginning of the last decant c. 1570 A.D.

It also predicts that the tropical Aquarian Age developments will get off to a full and immediate start when the Mean-setting of the Age-indicator reaches 0 degrees Aquarius in 2149.

Until then, our current situation is mostly about advancements in Capricornian-Age technology, enabling the implementation of the new theme of this Winter Age-quadrant which is superseding the city-state cultural theme of the Fall Age-quadrant: This new theme, which will be inherited by the Aquarian Age, is an interconnected and interdependent worldwide culture. BUT, it will be under URANIAN, not Saturnian rulership authority as it is now--HUGE difference!

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Just as the ruler of one's Ascendant-sign, in one's own Chart, strongly affects one in a personal way, the ruler of the Age-sign, which is in everyone's Chart, strongly affects us all in a shared way.
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Each succeeding 58.1 year Age-degree generation has had an increase in the (Mean-setting) Orb Effect already activating the Uranian-ruled Age of Aquarius. With a 5 degree Orb, this activation first ingressed tropical Aquarius in the year 1859, which explains why the Aquarian Age concept itself arose in the decades that followed, along with a revitalization of Astrology using the planets beyond Saturn.

At the same time, the HEAVILY dominant Longitudinal-point Age of Capricorn, under Saturnian rulership, went into high gear, accelerating in influence towards the end of the Age-indicator's transit through the Cardinal/Earth-sign. This explains the incredible rise in the development and use of modern technology.

The tropical Aquarian Age isn't about materialistic technology, which is the province of the tropical Capricornian Age. It's about an increase in our Cosmic Awareness and "paranormal" mental abilities.

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Since the tropical Aquarian Age, (synchronistically occurring with the sidereal version of the Aquarian Age and the ending of the Kali Yuga) will take us beyond the 4th Dimensional realm of the Space-Time Continuum, an interesting question arises--is it possible to defy Saturnian imposed barriers and restrictions, and transcend, or be suddenly "pulled across" the linear-time period between now and when the Uranian-ruled Aquarian Age takes full, dominant effect?

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