Vinyasa
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Roger, Starlink!Hi all! Talking about a "lone wolf" person and people who are feeling lonely. These are two different things . A "lone Wolf" individual prefers to do everything by him/herself but does not at all have to feel lonely. The person might occasionally feel a bit lonely but can then do something about it.
This is exactly my view also, and in the present thread I am not interested in analyzing people who feel lonely, but people who chose to follow a parth in solitude. This is the basic difference about loneliness and solitude. So I was interested into finding the aspects etc in a natal chart which would indicate a person in need of more privacy. And who - at the end - would be so self-contained, that he would be described as "lone wolf".
Flapjacks,Whether it is the individual who ultimately controls their life as a lone wolf or the society presenting them with no other option, I don't know (if I understand your meaning correctly).
More or less, yes… what i am saying is that, in a society where conventionalism and neediness rules, to be detached, aloof, disciplined to the roots, self-contained, transcendental,… means to be an outcast.
One basic rule of knowledge is “we accept what we understand”. This is what I actually also just did by categorizing the input I received … What we (people) do not understand, we reject. Isn’t the lone wolf a form of outcast? In the family, at school, at work, in the social groups… Whether driven by extreme power or by a lack of self-confidence, he remains disturbingly self-contained. Therefore, he represents a form of negation of the social structure (where we all need each other and we may hurt each other in one thousand ways but we still remain attached) and an inherent contradiction thereof. Something like “a failure in the system”, an error in the matrix…
His Asc, Sun, Mercury, and Neptune are in Capricorn, with Saturn (chart ruler) in the 12th, conjunct Uranus, and opposed Moon conjunct Chiron. Neptune is exactly on his Ascendant, 0 degrees, and conjunct his Sun. Venus is in Aquarius, square Pluto in Scorpio, and Mars is also in Scorpio. So would you say he is more in tune with Neptune, Saturn, Uranus, or Pluto?
This would actually be my next thought: why can’t we allow interferences between the categories (provided we accept the original scheme of course)… How far away is a Saturnian type from an Uranian type? Can’t he be driven both by his awareness of self sufficiency and by his innovative spirit? Can’t we recognize in the Neptunian type a hint of Plutonian power? Isn’t the absolute control of feelings the highest form of pure power? I have read that women with predominance of Pisces in their chart are able for severe harshness. And from those Piscean women I know, I get the feeling that independently of whether they have already expressed it or not, they all seem able to do it if they are forced to.
Still I do not want to personalize this thread, but if I were to identify myself with a type I would say 60% saturnian 40% aquarian type... This I say not because I want to turn the thread into personal analysis, but I can confirm that yes, there is a fear inside: not the fear of loneliness, but the fear of the awareness of my self-sufficiency, the surprise every time I realize how little I rely on others and how I could continue in the same pattern forever. It is a vicious circle of "no neediness - more isolation - self sufficiency", at the end.