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Since this is a question frequently asked on this forum, i found this article:

http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/rosemurray/karmlink.html

and i would welcome everyone's assessment, whether any of these links apply to any relationships you have been or are involved in and if the relationship feels fated or karmic.. thanks!

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Re: karmic links between charts

my last relationship felt very, very karmic.

my venus is tightly conjunct his south node. i think we were lovers in a past life. we were lovers again in this one, if only briefly.

his moon/venus/jupiter stellium conjunct my north node. he opened my eyes to a whole other world of interests which support my north node in aquarius.
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Thank you, BAS and bittermoon for sharing your relationships connections!

What you wrote confirms my experience in studying synastry: conjunctions of personal planets or points to the Nodes seem to be the most important indicators of karmic links between people!

Also conjunctions/oppositions to the Vertex appear to play a major role - i'm still learning about this one and have only started to consider the Vertex in relationship analysis recently.
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Thanks for the post Bina,
You recently helped me with a synastry reading, Could you please tell me if he and I share any of what were mentioned in this article in our synastry?

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=55559

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Hi 8thstellium,

You do have some of the links mentioned in that article, but, as i wrote in my previous post, i would extend the list to include any close aspects, especially conjunctions, from one person's personal points or planets to the other person's Nodes. And you have quite a few aspects to each other's Nodes!
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Re: karmic links between charts

as sad as it makes me, i have come to the realisation that even though you feel the meeting is *fated*, or the relationship is *karmic*... it doesn't necessarily mean that you will be in a romantic relationship with this person.

i do believe that we meet people for a reason, but that reason might not be obvious to us until a long time after they've left our lives. or perhaps never. i know it's not much of a consolation, but i don't think you can see in a chart why this person came into your life, other than he/she had to be.
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Hi 8thstellium,

You do have some of the links mentioned in that article, but, as i wrote in my previous post, i would extend the list to include any close aspects, especially conjunctions, from one person's personal points or planets to the other person's Nodes. And you have quite a few aspects to each other's Nodes!
I just spoke to a vedic astrologer and he said our charts don't match at all which many vedic astrologers said before.
According to that our key planets are in 6/8 or 2/12 positions.
And this astrologer even told me that the guy has some irritation n kinda hatred towards me and that its highly unlikely that we will come together again.

Also I just noticed a couple of days back that in our synastry his Jupiter aspects my Venus and my Venus his Jupiter. Also also my Jupiter his Venus. This looks like a very good aspect to me. When I asked the same the astrologer said, that is the reason u came together in the first place. That and ascendant being same.
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as sad as it makes me, i have come to the realisation that even though you feel the meeting is *fated*, or the relationship is *karmic*... it doesn't necessarily mean that you will be in a romantic relationship with this person.

Yes, this is very true, neither does it indicate whether the relationship or connection is a short-term or a long-term one, whether you meet only once or stay together for a lifetime..for this you need other connections such as Saturn-links.. though i have also observed that often strong links between one person's nodes and the other's personal planets or points can draw 2 people together for a longer time as well, since there is often leftover karma to be worked out and this can take time.


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i do believe that we meet people for a reason, but that reason might not be obvious to us until a long time after they've left our lives. or perhaps never. i know it's not much of a consolation, but i don't think you can see in a chart why this person came into your life, other than he/she had to be.

In my experience, through analyzing the synastry, you can often get an indication what it is that the two people need to work out together or what they can or need to learn from each other.

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I just spoke to a vedic astrologer and he said our charts don't match at all which many vedic astrologers said before.
According to that our key planets are in 6/8 or 2/12 positions.
And this astrologer even told me that the guy has some irritation n kinda hatred towards me and that its highly unlikely that we will come together again.
are you sure about this astrologer? any references?


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Also I just noticed a couple of days back that in our synastry his Jupiter aspects my Venus and my Venus his Jupiter. Also also my Jupiter his Venus. This looks like a very good aspect to me. When I asked the same the astrologer said, that is the reason u came together in the first place. That and ascendant being same.
In my experience Jupiter-Venus aspects between charts can be like saving grace and make up for other difficult aspects.
I just checked, your mutual Jupiter-Venus aspects are quite wide in orb, so not so strong, though still a beneficial influence.
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In my experience, through analyzing the synastry, you can often get an indication what it is that the two people need to work out together or what they can or need to learn from each other.
yes, for sure. what i meant to say is that if it hadn't been *this* particular person, it would have been somebody else that would have come along to teach the proverbial lesson.

a few years ago i had a brief affair with a man whose moon conjuncted my north node. not quite sure what the purpose of our meeting was. after that, i met somebody whose sun conjuncts my north node in aqua. he is and was heavily involved in humanatarian/animal activism and i started to get more interested in this as well. then, earlier this year i had a (short) relationship with somebody who's heavily invested in environmental activism and he showed me a lot of things and really got me into it. this all supports my north node in aqua.

south node conjunctions are more about unresolved karma that needs to be resolved, IMO.
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are you sure about this astrologer? any references?
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Here's teh link

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=55577

Not just him, many vedic astrologers told me that our synastry is not very good.
I am not sure about orbs and how charts are read in western astrology but i do know lil bit of vedic astrology myself and I see lot of our personal planets are in 2/12 or 6/8.
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Re: karmic links between charts

Sorry, 8thstellium, i misread what you wrote before, i understood that this new vedic astrologer was contradicting what you were told before by others, but rereading your post, i think you meant to say that you were told the same thing before by others.

Vedic astrology can be very accurate about compatibility, so you need to go with what feels right to you. Could be your strong connections drew you together for a reason and a purpose, but not for a lifetime relationship. Plus if this person is unavailable to you now, it may really be better for you to let him go and move on..

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south node conjunctions are more about unresolved karma that needs to be resolved, IMO.
I don't quite agree with you on this one.
In my experience close SN conjunctions by another's personal planets or points in synastry very often indicate that the 2 people have known each other in a previous lifetime. Often SN conjunctions are already 'over' and denote something old and familiar but perhaps no longer conducive to growth, so after a while the SN person may feel the need to move on, unless equally strong aspects to the NN balance this.

Conjunctions to the NN, on the other hand, can indicate that the NN person needs to learn something in this life, which the other person, whose planets conjunct their NN, already has and can help them learn or move towards. It is more of a struggle and a challenge, but ultimately more fulfilling.

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I don't quite agree with you on this one.
In my experience close SN conjunctions by another's personal planets or points in synastry very often indicate that the 2 people have known each other in a previous lifetime. Often SN conjunctions are already 'over' and denote something old and familiar but perhaps no longer conducive to growth, so after a while the SN person may feel the need to move on, unless equally strong aspects to the NN balance this.

Conjunctions to the NN, on the other hand, can indicate that the NN person needs to learn something in this life, which the other person, whose planets conjunct their NN, already has and can help them learn or move towards. It is more of a struggle and a challenge, but ultimately more fulfilling.
lots of food for thought. this is awesome! with my last lover i had 1 SN connection and 3 NN connections, so maybe i'm speaking from a too personal point of view... i seriously felt there was *something* to be resolved. maybe we did, in the short time we were together. with the NN connections, i feel like he gave me the book, now it's up to me to read it. this is a struggle and it is a challenge to me. i feel alone in this, without his help. i sure do hope this is more fulfilling
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bittermoon, that's sounds tough.. sorry about how you're feeling.. i wish you all the best, take care,
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bittermoon, that's sounds tough.. sorry about how you're feeling.. i wish you all the best, take care,
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thank you, bina. i'll be alright still gotta read that book, though!
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Saturn can often indicate unresolved karma, even more than the nodes, which just show that there is a karmic link..
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Saturn can often indicate unresolved karma, even more than the nodes, which just show that there is a karmic link..
don't say that. his saturn conjuncts my venus. aaarrrgh!!!

at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. i simply have to go with the flow, keep my eyes open and increase my self-awareness and keep on working on myself. no matter how much i'm trapped in a web of uncertainty, self doubt and anxiety, at the end of the day, i trust the universe that i'm exactly where i should be at this point in time.
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i trust the universe that i'm exactly where i should be at this point in time.

Wow, that's a great way of looking at it!!

we all need to remember just that more often!
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Hi 8thstellium,

no, in no way is it not valid any more!
The strong Saturn links are there and have that potential to tie you together, but as i said before, i don't really know or understand your situation with each other and therefore can't gauge the likelihood of this happening. It is only a possibility and i think you need to also consider the other possibility that this may not happen..

I feel for you and also know how painful relationship stuff can be and just how much it can make one wish and hope.. do think of yourself too and how you can find happiness and what feels right to you in this situation.. and take into consideration the advice of the vedic astrologers as well!

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Im currently caught up in a Karmic relationship.
I can just feel the karma, screaming at me... Ive never felt a relationship like this... It cuts very deeply.. It has had a huge effect on me as a person, and also on my personality. Its "showed" me some things about myself that I never really knew was there..
I didnt even know I could feel so immensely, so internally deep.. It has cut through the core of my being...
Its been on going for a while, Ive gone through all the stages.. denial, running away, pushing away, begging for help on understanding, researching, pleading for my feelings to change, giving into it, and acceptance finally learning what I want, and what I need.... Now Im at the point I have to be able to express what I want/need... Only Thats not my forte... So Im still working on it...

his NN conjunct my Vertex
His NN square my Saturn.
His Saturn conjunct my dsc
He has 3 planets in my H12
I have 3 planets in his H12
My Asc on his SN
his Jupiter on my SN
His h12 ruler conjunct my chart ruler
My h12 ruler conjuncts his IC ruler

The composite has Sun/Merc conjunct SN.

I cant really give you advise.. If your asking if its karma, it probably is.
You feel it, you can feel the difference...
You know this person is someone important in your life...
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Lion o ness,
In vedic astrology, it is believed that SN has more importance in determining/understanding past lives n if one person's SN conjuncts other's asc, the asc person will be indebted to the SN person all his/her life.
Not sure how much true it is.

I just want to wake up feeling happy, contended n secure n not have this horrible feeling I have everyday now.
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Lion o ness,
In vedic astrology, it is believed that SN has more importance in determining/understanding past lives n if one person's SN conjuncts other's asc, the asc person will be indebted to the SN person all his/her life.
Not sure how much true it is.

I just want to wake up feeling happy, contended n secure n not have this horrible feeling I have everyday now.
Ooo my!!! Lets hope thats not true...

It took me along time to 'feel better" it didnt happen until after acceptance.

Is there something you have to accept about this?? Concentrate on what you need to accept.. Work on that... It helps trust me... Even if you only accept it to your self....
You dont have to share the acceptance, just accept it..... Deal/learn from it.
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having planets fall in each others' 12th house is also an indication of karmic links.
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He and I have teh same asc.
So the 12th is same for us. His Saturn n Mars fall in my 12th but i have no planets in 12th. What would that mean?

Sometimes I feel...End of the day the person is not with me. I can analyze all I want but what is the use of any of it?
it could mean that he (his saturn) brings up things that you have hidden, often subconscious issues. consequently, these are tremendous opportunities for personal growth. the unfortunate thing is that these opportunities are most likely going to push you out of your comfort zone, which is usually scary and can feel overwhelming. as for his mars, it can make you feel like there's a very strong physical bond which touches you deeply.

and yes.. at the end of the day the person is not with you and that hurts. a lot. trust me, i know this feeling all too well. however, pain can also act as a powerful agent for change, which ultimately can bring you many insights.

8thstellium, i also analyse a lot. it even borders on obsession. but i'm trying to make sense of things that are happening in my life that don't feel good. there must be a reason for all of it. i refuse to believe there isn't because that would mean all the pain has been for absolutely nothing. yeah, it's perhaps easier to go through life asleep, as most people do, but we're simply not wired that way.

i have many dark moments where i honestly want to die, but then i remind myself that there's a reason for all of this. and i hope and trust that underneath this pain and confusion lies a gift, which will eventually be revealed.

perhaps i'm fooling myself, but without faith our existence becomes meaningless. and even so... my faith is extremely wobbly at times (saturn opposite jupiter), but i'm still here. and so are you
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