Progression/solar arcs/transits- very confused

I'm very confused as to how to ascertain the influence of the current planetary positions onto my natal chart.

I've read about progression and creating a chart for 1day per year of my life - do you then compare them like a synastry chart? And do I assume the same time and location as my birth?

Also solar arcs by moving my own chart forward 1deg for every year to create an imaginary chart.

I don't understand when people are talking about 'my sun has moved into taurus, square mars' - where does this come from???!

The reason I want to get my head around it is so that I know when my life is going to be 'easy' again. The last year has been mental. I want to know when I'm no longer going to be broken into millions of pieces whenever I try to stick myself together again. It all feels like a very plutonic influence, but is it? I don't know. I know Pluto is currently in Capricorn - does this mean anything?

Help! Please!

You do sound like you are going through some difficulties.
If you would like to post your chart I think you would find some assistance. We like to be able to see what is happening. Helps in explanation.

I would encourage you to download the free Astrowin program. Astrodienest also has free charts and in the extended chart section you can see other types of charts.

Progressed charts are seen more as your own internal changes. But can often be a portend of events such as my ex partners progressed sun conjuncted his natal Saturn bringing an increase in responsibility and sorrow surrounding his parents . He withdrew in typical Saturn style .

So you look at exact (with one degree coming and going, sun and moon 1.5 ) aspects between progressed planets and angles and natal planets and angles as well as house cusps. Outer progressed planets are typically not noted as they do not move enough but at times they reverse direction which is notable. I have had three outer planets reverse direction by progression in my life time.

Solar arcs are more a predictive technique than progressed. Again exact aspects are needed and solar arcs are always used on the backdrop of the natal. The astrowin program allows you to see the solararc/natal as a stand alone. Astrodienest has it with progressions and I find it more confusing.

Only use hard angles in solar arcs such as squares, conjunctions, semisquares, and 135 (that right folks?) but do not use trines, sextiles soft aspects to see what will happen.
I find in my stage of learning that key words help ie Saturn=older person, patience, restrictions, delays or Uranus= unexpected events, eruptions.

Look at traditional rulership ie pluto traditionally rules 8th house=birth, death, transformation, all things Scorpio in quality or 8th house.

Hope this helps....Lots to learn. Astrology can be helpful to see what is coming and when it will fad as you requested.

I've now made sense of the progressed and solar arc charts in astrodienst, so that helps.

Warning, I don't know my exact birth time, but this is probably a very good guess.

The progressed chart for last year when this whole rollercoaster started is attached. Nothing is really jumping out at me at a really close angle. Mercury on 9th house cusp. Uranus and Neptune retrograde (but will remain that way for ever).

On their own the solar return charts don't look like a barrel of laughs. Looking at close orbs 09/2010 one has jupiter/neptune/chiron conjunct all square mercury. 2010/2011 has moon and mercury conjunct square chiron, moon square neptune, mercury square mars, jupiter conjunct uranus. But are solar return charts meant to be viewed on their own?

Edit - realised I've got confused with solar arc and solar returns. Jeez.

When people say their Sun has moved into another sign it is the progressed Sun only and doesnt necessarily change anything really unless it hits planets in the natal chart that are there with the natal sun as well.


For instance I was born with SUn in Leo and now the progressed Sun is in Libra as it is 63 degrees further on as I am 63....But if that Progressed Sun is not hitting any natal planets, it has little effect.

here is a trick with solar arcs and birth time and I would pull some old threads down from this site as there has been a whole bunch of explorations on this....

solar arcs can help establish birth time by planets applying to angles...ie you have three planets that are applying to the ascendant/desc.

Moon applied to the decs at 18 degrees implying that something affected you at age 18..the moon implies change, movement, mother, wife, women, home.

Jupiter applied in 6 degrees or age 6 something beneficial may have offered to family, legal ceremony, clergy, law, judge?...

then Mercury at 16 dgrees or 16 years of age again mercury represents children, movement, siblings ?

So think back to significant events that may have occurred around age 6, 16 and 18 if not then your time is off. again some of the threads on solar arcs are really helpful and I could not go into all the explanations on it.

Your sun is three degrees from my sun...fellow Gemini. Transit wise you have been under the erratic influence of Uranus. And interestly enough your progressed sun in Cancer would be also under uranus which has retrograded over the 21 degree over the last few years so it has been long affect.

Did you notice the tables you could pull up on astrodients?
Look at progressed mars at 3'49 Look at your natal Uranus 3'25...Bingo!
It is easy to compare number just like that...go down the two columns and look for numbers that are the same or within one degree...then see what angle they form...

In the case of Mars progressed it sextiles Natal Uranus in the 12th but this would imply a Mars=anger, assertion, male energy ease to sudden eruptions in the house of things hidden to you. Just becuase the sextile is supposed to be harmonious does not man it is going to be easy..it may mean it is easier than the square! but not easy!

Look again...progressed moon 12 and natal neptune 12 in sextile but again neptune to moon may make you dreamy and easily emotional or imagination and with mars to Uranus you may not see things coming! add in your sun under transit in square by Uranus upsetting your ego and focus and you have some upsetting energy.

Just keep going like that...
now pull your solar arc chart and see what is goingon.
pull the tables up in the left hand corner of the charts and you will easily see what is with in one degree and what is not...
If you do not have a reliable time of birth I would stay away from the angle but do put some focus on seeing if you can figure out birth time via solar arc...

Good job though ...

gemini59 said:

here is a trick with solar arcs and birth time and I would pull some old threads down from this site as there has been a whole bunch of explorations on this....

solar arcs can help establish birth time by planets applying to angles...ie you have three planets that are applying to the ascendant/desc.

Moon applied to the decs at 18 degrees implying that something affected you at age 18..the moon implies change, movement, mother, wife, women, home.

Jupiter applied in 6 degrees or age 6 something beneficial may have offered to family, legal ceremony, clergy, law, judge?...

then Mercury at 16 dgrees or 16 years of age again mercury represents children, movement, siblings ?

So think back to significant events that may have occurred around age 6, 16 and 18 if not then your time is off. again some of the threads on solar arcs are really helpful and I could not go into all the explanations on it.

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This is arcing the planets in a clockwise direction. I thought solar arcs moved anti-clockwise which would put uranus and pluto onto Asc and mars and saturn onto MC?

Thanks for the other info, I'll check it out.

tizer said:

I'm very confused as to how to ascertain the influence of the current planetary positions onto my natal chart.

I've read about progression and creating a chart for 1day per year of my life - do you then compare them like a synastry chart? And do I assume the same time and location as my birth? www.astro.com does this automaticallly for you, so unless you live somewhere totally different ie: different country astro uses your birth data. They astro creates a bi wheel, in Extended chart selection - see below

Also solar arcs by moving my own chart forward 1deg for every year to create an imaginary chart. solar arcs are mainly used for rectifying someone 'time' of birth and also predictive matters

I don't understand when people are talking about 'my sun has moved into taurus, square mars' - where does this come from???! sounds like your progressed sun has moved from where is was in your birth chart to a degree (it's all maths really) where is now makes a 90' square aspect to natal mars

The reason I want to get my head around it is so that I know when my life is going to be 'easy' again. The last year has been mental. I want to know when I'm no longer going to be broken into millions of pieces whenever I try to stick myself together again. It all feels like a very plutonic influence, but is it? I don't know. I know Pluto is currently in Capricorn - does this mean anything?

Help! Please!

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There is a 'plethora' of information on AW, espec in the 'stickys' at the top of every forum, our Education forum and Recommendations forum to. Plus we have a good search feature, bit like google using keywords --

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180956&postcount=11

gemini59,

Only use hard angles in solar arcs such as squares, conjunctions, semisquares, and 135 (that right folks?) but do not use trines, sextiles soft aspects to see what will happen.
I find in my stage of learning that key words help ie Saturn=older person, patience, restrictions, delays or Uranus= unexpected events, eruptions.

Look at traditional rulership ie pluto traditionally rules 8th house=birth, death, transformation, all things Scorpio in quality or 8th house.

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In traditional astrology pluto doesn't rule anything as they don't go past saturn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_astrology
http://www.astrolozy.com/article19.asp

I don't use semisquares and 135 as they are not considered major aspects

Progressions
Your natal chart is like a photograph as unique as your fingerprint, BUT the 10planets in the sky have not stayed where they were in your natal chart, they have all moved. Predictive astrology is mostly maths where those 10planets are now and the mathematical aspects they make to your natal charts ie: 180'=opposition, 90'=square, 60'=sextile and 120'=trine.

So your personality, grows, develops, changes, matures as we get older, this is reflected by your sun sign changing from it's natal position to the next sign along, so does your Asc and MC sign change. In fact from sun to mars espec are important, as the outer planets really don't move much, using a 'day for a year' secondary progressions.

If you want to research more into Secondary progressions try here
http://cafeastrology.com/secondaryprogressions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=67
The most important of progressed planets is of course, sun & moon and then upto mars, as the outer planets hardly move by progression. Now like with transits, solar arcs --- it's what these progressed planets are doing NOW by mathematical aspect to your natal planets and Angles that is ultimately important.

tizer said:

This is arcing the planets in a clockwise direction. I thought solar arcs moved anti-clockwise which would put uranus and pluto onto Asc and mars and saturn onto MC?

Thanks for the other info, I'll check it out.

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Transits, progressions and solar arcs all move anti clockwise in direction. Is the time you quoted just an idea? can you go with Scorpio Asc??
Did your family relocate SA Asc onto natal moon age 18?

Solar Arcs
Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc. Another example is my Pluto is 28' Leo in 7th house and my Uranus is 3' Leo in same house to subtract these and you get age 25. That year my then husband and I had an almighty explosion (Uranus) and transformation (Pluto) of that marriage that started the demise and ultimate ending thereof....

Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression


Rectification of birth time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0G2S2Ti4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMX9X2C1BQ&NR=1
· Transiting Pluto square, conj opp Asc, Desc, MC, IC
· If under 12’ when it conj an Angle then their age was under age 12 it’s parents adjustments. A death, change within father’s work, a separation, remarriage.
· Adults or teens, 1st job, identity transformation MC.
· Pluto conj Desc = death, health concerns, geographic, significant relationship or break up, but has to be ‘life transforming’
· Also try transiting Neptune, something dissolving, disappearing, confusing etc.
· Timings of transits… is it the 1st hit? More often it’s the middle retrograde hit… but could be the last direct hit also. 1’ =4minutes in time.

astrologer50 said:

Transits, progressions and solar arcs all move anti clockwise in direction. Is the time you quoted just an idea? can you go with Scorpio Asc??
Did your family relocate SA Asc onto natal moon age 18?

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Yes the time of day is about right. I left my home town at 19 and haven't returned, so maybe a few mins earlier. I've just realised it's also put SA asc onto Neptune a year ago, and SA Pluto onto asc and SA jupiter onto sun now. Figures. As an aside, that firmly puts MC in Leo which I'm kinda surprised about.

So a progression gives a yearly feel, whereas a transit is for a certain day? Have a got that right then?