JUPITERASC
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translation of light and collection of light is very basic horary
dwarf planet pluto can neither collect nor translate light - hence unable to hint at anything
Is he connected to the mafia? Why am I cazimi..
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dwarf planet pluto can neither collect nor translate light - hence unable to hint at anything
translation of light and collection of light is very basic horary
dwarf planet pluto can neither collect nor translate light - hence unable to hint at anything
I know
Never talked about pluto translating any light in the chart.
JUPITERASC
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dwarf planets, including pluto - and at least one is bigger than plutoI know
but mysteriously it somehow is not cited
- are simply irrelevant for horary
would be useful if you post the sidereal chart you used
for the vedic techniques you mention
would you clarify exactly what is meant by vedic techniques
presumably sidereal
but you have not specified whether you used vedic sidereal chart
when you made original judgement
The second judgement is based on prashna kundali methods...and yes I'm using the vedic sidereal chart. For my first judgement I used the original chart, which the querent posted in this thread with regiomontanus houses.
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JUPITERASC
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sidereal chart planets are located in different signs from Tropical charts
JUPITERASC
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perhaps you used whole sign with vedic sidereal however
Don't know if you understand me right. My original judgement is based on the tropical chart the querent posted, not in whole sign but regiomontanius . After she replied today I judge the question with a Rasi Chart based on vedic techniques.
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Aria Venue
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My dear Kalinka
I will repeat it once more since you are referring to the traditional method regarding mars in this chart and since you mentioned previously Frawley, an astrologer that personally i consider a traditional one, aside the usual controversy related to reception, or other things which are irrelevant to this specific thread :
- mars in this chart is not related to radix 8th as you said,cause i explained that 1.traditionally saturn has natural connection to 8th house .Mars has natural connection to the 8th house only in medical charts.mars is considered related to 8th house only according to modern rulership
- mars in this chart has been explained what it represents, either as natural sig or as accidental sig
- Frawley in his books and particularly real astrology makes a very clear distinction about outer planets (frawley, 2000, p:63-72) :" The need to incorporate these new planets into the system is itself erroneous, and betrays an ignorance of that system. The workings of the traditional system are based on light and the providential appearance of the Heavens to the naked eye: a planet with no light has no power, hence the weakness of whichever of the luminaries is darkened at an eclipse. The new planets and other miscellaneous objects have no appreciable light. They cannot be seen from Earth without artificial aid. Some of them cannot be seen from Earth with artificial aid. Light is the visible manifestation of truth, the substance of creation. These objects lack it, and are irrelevant to us. Of course, they are "there"; but they are there in the same way that ultraviolet and infrared wavelengths of light are "there". Theseextremes of the spectrum exist and with artificial aid can be made visible to thehuman eye; but they are irrelevant to us. So too are Uranus, Neptune and Pluto....That these new planets should be incorporated into astrology at all is by no means a necessity: no one has found any need to place the moons of Jupiter, discovered long before Uranus, into a chart, despite the fact that several of them are significantly larger than the great majority of the asteroids with which some modems are so obsessed, and that they are visible through a child's telescope while obscure bodies such as Neptune and Pluto are not. If one day there is "something new under the Sun" in man's soul, there may perhaps be need in the chart for Uranus, Neptune and Pluto; until then, they remain nothing but superfluities."
then in his other book (Frawley,2005, p:38-39)he states:"... If the placement of an outer planet demands our attention, it can, like a
powerful fixed star, provide a shorthand answer. We will never need to go looking for them ('What is Uranus doing in this chart?') and we will never find them telling us anything that is not equally well shown by the seven planets of the traditional cosmos."
- The fact that you are saying that according to Frawley we don't need an aspect in order to have reception.(frawley, 2005, p:44-46) " The aspect is an important part of judgement, but it is only a part. What the aspect provides is the occasion for an event to take place. No occasion: no event....For this reason, dignity and reception are of supreme importance. They are the twin keys to judgement....There is a clear theoretical distinction between essential and accidental dignity. In theory it is accidental dignity that shows the power to act, while essential dignity shows how pure is the motive behind this action.." ...
but in this case: mars is not our main significator l7 or l7's turned l10!!!!mars in this chart in Jupiter's face while Jupiter's in mars term, so there's is reception but this reception has to be interpreted according to the house that this mars as an accidental significator is.And this mars rules his turned 4th(parents, his father,..etc) 5th(sex, fun, children..etc) and 12th(his fears , self undoing etc) and is placed in his turned 11th in his detriment having essential dignity by term though and is also accidentally succedent and not angular....But you cant take mars only cause is considered as a lessen malefic by nature and regarded him as criminals, only because mars is in an aspect with Jupiter.There is no reasoning behind that, because mars represents many different things in this chart and basically is mercury's and sun's (her third)dispositor. So if there's one planet here that has influence on someone this is mars on mercury, our querent here who asked this question.mars in mercury's triplicity , while mercury in mars domicile and triplicity, while at the same moment moon as querent's co-ruler in mars detriment..So i suppose if you want to speak about reception here you can see which mutual reception is stronger.Mars could be also querent;s 10th (job, mother..etc), 11th(friends etc..) or 6th and so forth.As a natural sig also i explained previously that mars can be so many different things.
i dont know how else to explain that in this chart mars traditionally is simply irrelevant to the question whether her ex is working for the mob.What you are saying here is inventing your own rules and mixing hypothetical scenario which stem from your imagination with an horary reading and this is not acceptable to horary.Mayby according to sidereal you tend to reach to such conclusion, but i am not practicing sidereal and i cant have a saying on that... and this chart was cast in regiomontanus and tropical ..not in whole houses..not in koch or whatsoverer.And another thing that is important while we use a method...we don't jump from one system to another simply trying to justify our reasoning
- 4.To sum up my dear Kalinka: i am not judging you for using sidereal, modern assumptions or whatsoever.Of cource you can choose whatever method suits you...as long you state clearly which method you use.So in case you say: i know traditional horary and i judged this chart and i saw that there is a connection with Jupiter and mars and additionally i mentioned pluto , this is your own rules or something else. Moreover repeatedly in this chart you have made basic mistakes regarding planets dignity or position and it's no excuse to tell sorry i haven't checked the table of dignities...or i havent seen where mars is, or where mercury is...etc.In other words you dont know how to read this chart according to the rules that horary dictates.
Perhaps according to prashna kundali methods indeed this chart gives a connection and for that i would kindly ask experts of this method to give their opinion, either in this thread or in a different section more suitable where sidereal practices are discussed.And once more i kindly ask you to forgive me if a make this distinction over here, but you are forcing me to do that since you claim you use traditional rules.Well no you don't ...and that's the only reason i am responding to this thread once more, stems from my need to clarify this confusion ....because if someone else reads this post who doesn't know horary then he would be misled by such a comment.By no means is personal, you have to understand this:
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JUPITERASC
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According to Frawley if we read it as rumor:
-axis in fixed signs= no
- L1, L3, moon in fixed signs= mercury in scorpio, sun in scorpio, moon in taurus, = yes
- L1,L3, moon in angular or succedent houses: mercury+sun=no, moon=yes
If we use the 4th house and his ruler for the end of the matter = mercury and venus in mutual bad reception by detriment,
moon in venus'domicile, venus in moon's face, venus receives jupiter by rulership and triplicity.
In prashna kundali we also use the 4th house for the end of the matter:
L4 sun in 6th/his 12th in conjunction with L7 and mercury (his 11th and 8th),moon in opposition with L4 and mercury = L4 , outcome is negative for querent
i stay with my judgement but I can also understand very well why others see it differently.
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Aria Venue
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(Frawley, 2005, p: 164)
To be true:
the angles of the chart should be in fixed signs
Lord 1, Lord 3, the Moon and the Moon's dispositor should be in fixed signs and angular houses, or at least fixed signs and succedent houses.
1.angles not in fixed signs
2.mercury and sun fixed and cadent, while moon fixed and succedent and also moon's dispositor venus=mutable and angular...!!!!! but this is not a rumor
a rumour question would have been something like that...but even then i would be very careful whether to judge it as above:
- i heard recently that my ex is implicated to the mob..is that rumour true? or his parents..uncle whoever..
- i read on the news that my ex ...bla bla did this or that...is that rumour true?
- a friend came and told me that my ex is implicated to the mob...is that rumour true?etc
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Correct
I have suspicions, my mother also has suspicions, but I’ve never heard a rumour. Italians do not mention the m-word.
tikana
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not saying that the question is a rumor....
3rd house is querents thought in another way
are my thoughts suspicions correct = is the rumor true
tikana
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Wrong
You dont need other ppl talking about it.
Open wiliam lily when will i hear from my brother.
She s asking if the guy is in mafia
Her thoughts could b faulty.
Which house rules thoughts? 3rd house
U dont need to look at digity of 7th cause he could be godfather of mafia ie dignified
tikana
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whatever. querent asked. i answered how to look at it..
you can continue trying to figure out if he is or he isnt
btw you should read carefully the question.. the question is is he connect to to the mafia ..