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How about that fiasco in El Paso?!! Crime rate down WITHOUT a wall.

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The Congress is charged with appropriating funds. The president is not. He's abusing the concept of a national emergency to get around the fact that the branch of government responsible for appropriating funds refused to appropriate the funds in the way he wanted.
That's called politics, and all politicians do it. I was rather upset when Obama was throwing journalists in gaol as enemies of the state and playing fast and loose with the Hamas/Hizbollah drug dealers doing business in the US, but I mark that most people didn't seem overly fussed about that.

Occasionally, VERY occasionally, you'll come across a politican who's a nice person. But it's rare, regardless of their political affiliation.
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That's called politics, and all politicians do it. I was rather upset when Obama was throwing journalists in gaol as enemies of the state and playing fast and loose with the Hamas/Hizbollah drug dealers doing business in the US, but I mark that most people didn't seem overly fussed about that.

Occasionally, VERY occasionally, you'll come across a politican who's a nice person. But it's rare, regardless of their political affiliation.
Usurping the power of the Legislative Branch, designed to share power with the Presidency, isn't "politics". It's a breach of Constitutional intent.
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Usurping the power of the Legislative Branch, designed to share power with the Presidency, isn't "politics". It's a breach of Constitutional intent.
One might argue that imprisoning journalists is a breach of the first amendment. One might argue that allowing drug dealers for terrorist organisations to run free in your country is a breach of national security.

Yet few did.

I'm not trying to do 'whataboutism' here so much, as to suggest that it's only the politicians one finds unlikeable that get accused of - well, doing something they aren't actually doing. Trump hasn't usurped the breach of the legislative branch, he's doing...politics. He's not a pleasant guy, but he's not a dictator, either.
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One might argue that imprisoning journalists is a breach of the first amendment. One might argue that allowing drug dealers for terrorist organisations to run free in your country is a breach of national security.

Yet few did.

I'm not trying to do 'whataboutism' here so much, as to suggest that it's only the politicians one finds unlikeable that get accused of - well, doing something they aren't actually doing. Trump hasn't usurped the breach of the legislative branch, he's doing...politics. He's not a pleasant guy, but he's not a dictator, either.
I thought Congress should have stepped in on Obama's treatment of journalists. It was Republcan-controlled at the time, but they approved of his actions, which were heavily criticized by Liberals.
This is different. Congress said "No". This President says "I'll do what I want, who cares what you say?"
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I thought Congress should have stepped in on Obama's treatment of journalists. It was Republcan-controlled at the time, but they approved of his actions, which were heavily criticized by Liberals.
This is different. Congress said "No". This President says "I'll do what I want, who cares what you say?"
The question is whether there is a genuine crisis that he needs to take care of. If there isn't then you are right, he would be abusing the power of the presidency. If there is one however, he is entitled to do what he did. So the question you have to ask: is there a crisis?

Evidence suggests there is, because thousands of people break the law when crossing the southern border of your country each month. Also, statements by different politicians throughout the recent years have claimed "there is an illegal immigration crisis", so to the very least, goverment officials on both sides have claimed there is one.

Now, the only actual opposition the democrats have brought to the table is the idea that the wall is "expensive, ineffective and inmoral". While all this sounds nice... whether the wall is ineffective or not has no consequence. Trump was elected by the people to handle the issue as he saw fit. Whether is a good or bad idea, is up to average citizen, who elected Trump based on that plan.
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Trump supporters ALWAYS have to point the finger at someone else.
No they do not. Look at your own democratic camp and see how they themselves behave. They should he Ashamed of themselves!

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No they do not. Look at your own democratic camp and see how they themselves behave. They should he Ashamed of themselves!

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Dictatrump on his "Emergency": "I DIDN'T NEED TO DO THIS."
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The question is whether there is a genuine crisis that he needs to take care of. If there isn't then you are right, he would be abusing the power of the presidency. If there is one however, he is entitled to do what he did. So the question you have to ask: is there a crisis?

Evidence suggests there is, because thousands of people break the law when crossing the southern border of your country each month. Also, statements by different politicians throughout the recent years have claimed "there is an illegal immigration crisis", so to the very least, goverment officials on both sides have claimed there is one.

Now, the only actual opposition the democrats have brought to the table is the idea that the wall is "expensive, ineffective and inmoral". While all this sounds nice... whether the wall is ineffective or not has no consequence. Trump was elected by the people to handle the issue as he saw fit. Whether is a good or bad idea, is up to average citizen, who elected Trump based on that plan.
Trump, on his declaring an "Emergency": [in his own words] "I didn't need to do this."
Obviously, even HE doesn't believe it's a genuine crisis that requires the immediate construction of his wall!
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Trump, on his declaring an "Emergency": [in his own words] "I didn't need to do this."
Obviously, even HE doesn't believe it's a genuine crisis that requires the immediate construction of his wall!

That only means that congress could have come to an agreement regarding his plan, but they did not.
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That only means that congress could have come to an agreement regarding his plan, but they did not.
Yeah exactly-

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Trump, on his declaring an "Emergency": [in his own words] "I didn't need to do this."
Obviously, even HE doesn't believe it's a genuine crisis that requires the immediate construction of his wall!
This is from my perspective a lolipop stick judgement about a statement that has much more substance to it which leads to conclusions that are left when he says right and conclusions that are black when he means white.

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Re: Donald Trump will be impeached.

*sighs*

Come on, you guys. Did you watch his speech? We're not taking him out of context. He explained exactly what he did in his own words. He didn't need to do it now, but he wants to do it "faster."

Here he is, in his own words, saying the emergency he just declared isn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NzqiWXrfL4
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*sighs*

Come on, you guys. Did you watch his speech? We're not taking him out of context. He explained exactly what he did in his own words. He didn't need to do it now, but he wants to do it "faster."

Here he is, in his own words, saying the emergency he just declared isn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NzqiWXrfL4
My point is that we have millions of angry democratic americans who looks at the world through their lolipop stick filters which means that no matter what you say they Will make their conclusions anyway.

There might be different levels of emergency regarding the Wall depending on where the Wall is located of course but that does not take away the importance of a full Wall long term.

TRY to see dynamics and NOT the TINY details people for christ sake!

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