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If reflected light is the medium by which astrological influence is conducted,
that influence would be nil, here on Earth,
when a planet is below the horizon.
When a planet is below the horizon at your location
that planet is above the horizon on that hemisphere of Earth below your location
and its influence is not nil

because by the way
Earth is spherical
allegedly

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So, whether a planet has influence at any given time

depends entirely on where one is located on Earth at that given time?

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Actually that is the case, when the Sun is culminating for one region,
it is rising, setting, declining, post-ascending etc. for another.

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Just the Sun?
Just giving an example with the planet that is most visible, and which movement and effect is comprehended by very ignorant men, nay even by dumb animals, as Ptolemy says.
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Have you noticed that it is cooler when the Sun is at the Ascendant than when it is at the Descendant? Have you noticed also that the Sun begins to dry out things there? Dryness + cold make the earthy element, which controls our heavy bodies for the most part.
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Just giving an example with the planet that is most visible, and which movement and effect is comprehended by very ignorant men, nay even by dumb animals, as Ptolemy says.
The Sun's not just any "planet". Given its incredible physical manifestations, I'm surprised that all religions don't worship it!
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The Sun's not just any "planet". Given its incredible physical manifestations, I'm surprised that all religions don't worship it!
I'm surprised that people won't worship the Creator of the heavens and the earth instead of the creation, given that he finds that practice abominable.
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Have you noticed that it is cooler when the Sun is at the Ascendant than when it is at the Descendant? Have you noticed also that the Sun begins to dry out things there? Dryness + cold make the earthy element, which controls our heavy bodies for the most part.
Interesting observation. Those are Saturn's attributes, correct?
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I'm surprised that people won't worship the Creator of the heavens and the earth instead of the creation, given that he finds that practice abominable.
Probably because the Creator is invisible.
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Reality is flat.
Some are camping out on the edge of Reality, and some
have gone over the edge.


Interesting observation
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Interesting observation. Those are Saturn's attributes, correct?
No, Saturn is more cold than dry. Mars is more drying than Saturn, and is most related to the east in my opinion, although it is not 1:1 correspondence, because he is not cold at all, but rather excessively hot.
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Probably because the Creator is invisible.
That is the point, only an invisible and immortal God can create the visible world.
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You're not understanding what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that hyperfixation on gender expression forgoes any spiritual truth or even personal truth. People often fixate on these things when they have issues to work out in themselves

You're too heavily focused on criticizing others. Look at yourself. Also, the implication that feminizing makes people wimpy is sexist and condescending. It's a judgment only from a place of insecurity

On the contrary, you're forcing your worldviews onto my words. None of this has anything to do with my original post. You've led it in this direction and are now critical of it

I will say this is an example of what I was talking about. It's all just intellectual masturbation. You have no idea what you're even talking about, you just want to seem like you do

Incidentally, all men who engage in that seem to be mildly to wildly sexist
It feels like you are reading a script without listening to what I actually said, like trigger points or words or phrases that I say that makes you shut down and not listen or even considering the validity of what I am saying, but I may be wrong.

I hear what you say but since I have followed the history of mankind long before the history that people call history I have come to the conclusion that men who do not honor their masculinity and instead feminize themselves can be dangerous because it have through history lead to suppression which in the case of this world have lead to a specific group of men with sever inferiority complexes of wanting power and control over others at all cost, without respecting free will choice whatsoever.

These men are men who have feminized themselves yes and they are wimps yes in the sense that they are weak and cowards, and they have choosen to infect themselves with and hold on to the small d syndrome energy. And if people dont want to support their negative agenda then it is from my perspective vital to be free from that small d syndrome energy so that positive energy can have the potential to be birthed instead from a healthy, non denial and healed base.

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Have you noticed that it is cooler when the Sun is at the Ascendant than when it is at the Descendant? Have you noticed also that the Sun begins to dry out things there? Dryness + cold make the earthy element, which controls our heavy bodies for the most part.
The same is true for the so-called Lot of Fortune, except that the Moon is used instead of the Sun, and that distinction is made based on their powers, so that the Lot provides the necessary subsistence to the body in the form of wealth and resources, and it is, as it were, more changeable and external even compared to the appearance of the body. The Midheaven is hot and dry, and it indicates actions and occupations along with the Sun for this reason, this is also perceptible to the senses every day, unlike the powers of the five planets (and what about Pluto that is 126 times smaller than Mercury?).

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It feels like you are reading a script without listening to what I actually said, like trigger points or words or phrases that I say that makes you shut down and not listen or even considering the validity of what I am saying, but I may be wrong.

I hear what you say but since I have followed the history of mankind long before the history that people call history I have come to the conclusion that men who do not honor their masculinity and instead feminize themselves can be dangerous because it have through history lead to suppression which in the case of this world have lead to a specific group of men with sever inferiority complexes of wanting power and control over others at all cost, without respecting free will choice whatsoever.

These men are men who have feminized themselves yes and they are wimps yes in the sense that they are weak and cowards, and they have choosen to infect themselves with and hold on to the small d syndrome energy. And if people dont want to support their negative agenda then it is from my perspective vital to be free from that small d syndrome energy so that positive energy can have the potential to be birthed instead from a healthy, non denial and healed base.

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All I can say is, "ok"

And I also don't appreciate hearing about your small d energy
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Read, I don't wish to continue the conversation because as I've pointed out a couple of times, none of this has anything to do with my original post
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Ok ynnest, so it's feminized men who partake of vicious gaming to amass masculine power. Makes total sense.
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Read, I don't wish to continue the conversation because as I've pointed out a couple of times, none of this has anything to do with my original post
Right. It's become an avoidable distraction.
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Read, I don't wish to continue the conversation because as I've pointed out a couple of times, none of this has anything to do with my original post
You are free to not continue this conversation and/or not answer, but I am free to quote your posts if I want to do so.

What people define as distractions may sometimes be something that reminds them of something within themselves that they dont want to look at for reasons that still remains a "mystery".

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Have you noticed that it is cooler when the Sun is at the Ascendant
than when it is at the Descendant?
Have you noticed also that the Sun begins to dry out things there?
Dryness + cold make the earthy element,
which controls our heavy bodies for the most part.
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The same is true for the so-called Lot of Fortune, except that
the Moon is used instead of the Sun,
and that distinction is made based on their powers,
so that the Lot provides the necessary subsistence to the body
in the form of wealth and resources, and it is, as it were, more changeable and external
even compared to the appearance of the body.
The Midheaven is hot and dry, and it indicates actions and occupations
along with the Sun for this reason,
this is also perceptible to the senses every day,
unlike the powers of the five planets
(and what about Pluto that is 126 times smaller than Mercury?).
Quite
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Quite
You don't have to make up complicated excuses for not including the Outermosts. You're perfectly entitled not to include them, just as Modernistic astrologers are perfectly entitled to use them.
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You don't have to make up complicated excuses for not including the Outermosts. You're perfectly entitled not to include them, just as Modernistic astrologers are perfectly entitled to use them.
Complicated excuses? What is so unreasonable about them? -> ->

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David, you have to be able to FEEL it, not just think it.
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David, you have to be able to FEEL it, not just think it.
Feelings are subjective. If you've convinced yourself of something, you feel it's right. We all do that.
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Feelings are subjective. If you've convinced yourself of something, you feel it's right. We all do that.
Sorry, but the average increase of temperature at and after noon is not subjective, same as what I mentioned about the Ascendant and the Lot of Fortune. They are objective, and you have to accept them in order to live with REALITY.
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I would be conflicted with contrary data as well, if someone can show me the falsification of my results, and the verification of his results.

That said, when there is limited data, I would prefer a consistent, plausible and rational theory over nothing, like what david offers.
Still only half-listening

Why do you need a MORE verifiable theory to admit that the other is limited?

Since the objective techniques based on physically observable phenomena don't accurately describe my physical body - I am still waiting for an explanation as to WHY.
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Still only half-listening

Why do you need a MORE verifiable theory to admit that the other is limited?

Since the objective techniques based on physically observable phenomena don't accurately describe my physical body - I am still waiting for an explanation as to WHY.
Hi passiflora,

Have you read my thread, and especially points 22., 23., 40. and the commentary on them? - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=130820

I can't give more help than that, you are free to look for help elsewhere.
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