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Unread 11-24-2020, 01:59 PM
PlutorisingLee PlutorisingLee is online now
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Madonna-whore complex in a male chart

Alternative title: Venus&Moon in a male chart.

I am interested in understanding the Moon and Venus archetypes in a male chart.
It is generally considered that a difficult relationship between a Venus and Moon in a male chart would indicate a hardship with integrating lover/wife into one woman.

Issues with loosing attraction to a lover once she becomes a wife or vice versa. Struggles with reaching a long term relationship.

Struggle with the mother in law or their own mother not liking their partner.

I have studied a few charts over the years of people I know and over time and it seems to hold some water.

Some examples:

Moon conjuct Venus
Usually artistic, wonderful nurturing parents and tend to be very at ease with showing "feminine' qualities in their relationships. They have no problem turning a lover into a wife. They see her as one.

Opposing Venus-Moon
May have trouble balancing different types of women they are attracted to and going from one extreme to the other. They may date Venus until age 30 and switch to Moon when they decide to marry.

Squaring venus-Moon
The hardest hardest stories. They are also very creative like the conjunction but struggle with reaching their ideal relationship.

Any real life examples and thoughts?

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Unread 11-26-2020, 05:39 AM
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Re: Madonna-whore complex in a male chart

Of all the hard aspects that one might find between two planets, those between Venus and Moon are probably the easiest. The remainder of the chart is of utmost importance in interpretation, but otherwise, Moon/Venus folks tend to be sentimental and devoted. Most of the time the greatest trouble I find with Moon/Venus in hard aspect is a tendency to be emotionally needy; in men there is sometimes a slight effeminacy. In women, there may be a disconcerting too-sweet affectation.

The "Madonna-whore complex" is not in any of the diagnostic manuals. It's a new term to me. If it exists, it seems unlikely to me that Moon/Venus is its indicator.

In a male chart, the likeliest sign of trouble with women is usually Moon/Pluto. In the case of infidelity, hard aspects between Venus and Mars are more likely, but some three-way combinations are even more likely to be in evidence. I acknowledge that infidelity is very widespread generally.

In fact my brother has Moon square to Venus, and he has been married to his first and only wife for decades and I know of none of the complexes that you speak of.

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Unread 11-28-2020, 11:33 AM
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Re: Madonna-whore complex in a male chart

Men loved Madonna in her earlier years. People never knew how out there she was until she released her sex book. That was a cultural reset.
She’s rumored to be a Leo rising. She’s also a Virgo and has a motherly side to her that the world doesn’t see.

Some women have it all
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Re: Madonna-whore complex in a male chart

I think Moon/Venus hard aspects (especially the square) are significators of the Madonna/Whore complex IF they're afflicted by other planets. I would guess that a Square could be stable if the two planets were otherwise well supported in the chart.

Someone in my family has Leo Moon square Scorpio Venus conjunct Scorpio Jupiter. While he's been "faithful" and "devoted," he expects his wife (who is far older) to mother/spoil him. His mother was heavily Plutonian and spoiled/controlled him growing up. Also, Leo square Scorpio/Taurus in most configurations usually makes it very difficult to change/evolve negative behavioral patterns related to it.

Overall I'd say these aspects in men would be the most likely:

1) Moon/Pluto: The Hades Moon often indicates an overly enmeshed/psychic connection with the mother (at its best). At its worst, it can mean a deeply wounded emotional core. This is usually easier to heal in daughters than sons, as the men with this placement often project their feelings outwards towards women, as their inner Anima is constantly at war with itself.

2) Moon/Saturn (or Venus/Saturn): Usually comes from families where the mother was the disciplinarian/authority figure, and the Anima is linked with a planet usually signifying the harsh father. This creates an inner lack of connection to the feminine, which can create a complex around giving/receiving love, as well as in their image of a woman.

3) Moon/Venus: Talked about it above. Other planets/configurations usually need to play a role. But when they do, this one usually tells a clear story about a man's unhealthy experience with the feminine growing up.

Venus/Pluto, Moon/Neptune (in combo with harsh Saturn placements) and perhaps some others could play a role.
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Re: Madonna-whore complex in a male chart

Anyone like myself with a Venus opposite Pluto in their natal chart describes a person struggles with feelings of desire, envy and greed. It would be harder to obtain a close relationship with another person under this aspect. And I don't have an active romantic or sex life, but I had an occasional GF like last year.
or , I have the same ruling planets: Uranus and Saturn. I see the Cancer rising. Aries in the MC and Venus was her name!
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Re: Madonna-whore complex in a male chart

The MOON/VENUS connection in a man's chart is a VERY big subject.

And as Cary said, the term ''whore complex'' is not a recognized astrological designation. Sounds like a term to ''get attention.''

The moon rules the both male and female charts. The moon represents habits and patterns in the person's life.

How functional the moon is or dysfunctional in any particular chart, will be shown by the position and aspects of the moon in the chart.

Venus is the male LOVE image. Theoretically if the man chooses a woman whose traits are those represented by Venus, he will be more compatible with her in many ways.

If both those planets are debilitated in the chart, (I won't give examples, but mostly it would be heavy planets poorly aspected to Venus and Moon), the man could be very confused about his attractions to a particular woman. He could want the energy of the Venus but be needy for the Moon energy....EVEN IF HE HAD A POOR RELATIONSHIP OR EVEN VERY DYSFUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP with his mother or the mother figure in the event he was brought up with someone other than the mother.

OR...if the mother was absent or had work hours which made her contact with the child not average....OR if the child was left with an unsuitable care giver....this would skew the psychology of the way the child interpreted ''mother love''....and therefore have issues with women or women who would be mothers...or women who are mothers.

You see how complicated just these 2 energies are in a man's chart.

In a woman's chart it's a bit different. If Venus and the Moon are poorly aspected there can be a lot of issues about identity and self esteem....and whether the woman will be a mother like her own mother or retain her Venus energy because Venus represents love and happiness and what is valuable in one's life.

The moon represents the learned behaviors and patterns passed down by the mother...for better or worse or both.

If either the moon or Venus is angular, that energy will probably be more prominent....but not necessarily for the better or the long term advantage to the native.

The entire chart must ALWAYS be interpreted.


"The universe does not care if it inconveniences you."

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Unread 02-23-2021, 12:51 AM
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Re: Madonna-whore complex in a male chart

What if in a man's chart, the venus forms a quincunx with the moon? This isn't technically a hard aspect, however I believe it's disharmonious, too. How would this manifest in said man's love life?
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Unread 02-23-2021, 01:03 AM
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Re: Madonna-whore complex in a male chart

The Madonna/Whore complex is a Virgo archetype.

Madonna is just another name for the Virgin Mary, they're the same thing. And Madonna/Virgin Mary is widely known as the Virgo mythology in Biblical/Astrological allegory.

The Madonna/Whore complex is basically the Virgo/Virgin mentality of a woman being either too perfect or too imperfect to love. That is essentially the sexual nature of Virgo in a nutshell.

Strong placements in Virgo will give this complex.
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