SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

JUPITERASC

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PISCES is the domain of the hermit and the monk
who after assimilating too much knowledge
became confused and troubled.
This is symbolic of piscean inner turmoil
with the two sides of an argument,
or the 2 fish set against each other.
The effect is one of self undoing
because
the native takes positions that are
inherently contradictory to each other.


According to Valens: "….Pisces is a feminine zoidion
... opposed to itself because of
being both in the south and in the north
... Those so born are inconstant, of two minds
those who change from bad to good
erotic, servile, licentious, prolific, popular."

In contrast to the other sign administered to by Jupiter
which is about seeing
this sign is about believing, faith, and sacrifice


for PISCES SATURN - Here the principle of agnoia
often causes the native
to forget that they are a part of the human family.
This represents the test of compassion
of which the ultimate example is
whether they will lay down their own life for their fellow man.
In most nativities, this extreme is never reachedbut frequently they are somehow put into situations
that obligate them to take care of those less fortunate
at a sacrifice to their own well being.
Saturn is the planet of agnoia and neglect
there is the danger of falling into disgrace and dishonor
if they forget to live by the same high standards they expect others to live by.
Because of this, the penalties for failure are much higher
and less forgiving for these natives than they are for most.
In a diurnal chart Saturn can function effectively
under the principle of limitation set by the diurnal sect
and set realistic goals for the native.
Therefore these individuals often reach positions of power and prestige.
Their integrity is often unquestionable
and rarely do they suffer dishonor or disgrace.

On another level, PISCES SATURN individuals
often have a hard time maintaining structure and routine. :smile:
Their lives may stagnate to the point that they may be tempted
to withdraw and live the life of a hermit.
It can also represent a test of faith
because Saturn essentially says
that there is nothing beyond itself and what is physically real
or in the words of Descartes
that there is nothing real but extension.




However, Pisces hints at what is beyond
because it is the last of the signs
and signifies reintegration into the collective.
In contrast to the easy going nature of PISCES JUPITER
an individual with PISCES SATURN tends
to take life too seriously and lacks a sense of humor.
They may tend to suffer from depression
and indulge themselves in self pity.
They may be allergic to pets.

In a diurnal chart, the heat of the day helps to minimize
the coldness of Saturn and the dryness helps
to make distinct their obligations to those less fortunate.
A PISCES SATURN is a good position for those
who would work in mental institutions or hospitals
and allows the setting of limits
as to how much personal sacrifice the native will have to endure.
source: Curtis Manwaring


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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
remains in each sign
for
approximately
TWO AND ONE HALF YEARS
dependent on whether retrograde or direct :smile:

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Medieval alchemists
ascribed to the planet Saturn
a gloomy and slow character

aka

SATURNINE a word rarely used :smile:



When people are called SATURNINE
and/or have SATURNINE dispositions
they are often described as:
- brooding, bitter, obsessive
- sluggish or taciturn
- having a gloomy manner


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Blaze

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Speaking of Saturn....

That upcoming trine to horrible Libra combinations of Sun/Mars/Mercury is coming up. Saturn will also square Libra's ruling planet as she moves into Scorpio.

Oh boy.
 

david starling

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Speaking of Saturn....

That upcoming trine to horrible Libra combinations of Sun/Mars/Mercury is coming up. Saturn will also square Libra's ruling planet as she moves into Scorpio.

Oh boy.


There's a Sun/Mars/Mercury conjunction in mid tropical Libra on October 11th, the same day Saturn stations Direct in early tropical Aquarius.

On that day, Saturn in early tropical Aquarius will be Sextile Libra's Domicile-ruler Venus in early tropical Sagittarius.

In 10 hours, Saturn rx in tropical Aquarius will be exactly Trine Mercury in tropical Libra.
 
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JUPITERASC

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Speaking of Saturn....
That upcoming trine to horrible Libra combinations of Sun/Mars/Mercury
is coming up. Saturn will also square Libra's ruling planet
as she moves into Scorpio.
Oh boy.


Libra's ruling planet
i.e.
VENUS
shall square Saturn

because
Saturn is slowest moving traditional planet

therefore

Saturn does not apply in aspect to
nor have separating aspect from
any of the other six traditional planets
instead
the other six traditional planets aspect Saturn
subtle distinction :smile:


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Blaze

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Yay! More restrictions.

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Doomer actually suits Saturn.
 

Blaze

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That is why Jupiter is better than Saturn. Unless he's inflating something horrible, then...well...

On that topic, Jup is in Aqua again, right? Does it see (inflate) the incoming dreadful combo of Sun/Mars/Mercury?
 

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next planet equally important in overall rulership of a nativity
besides Oikodespotes
aka domicile master of the chart


is
KURIOS aka Lord of the nativity.

Kurios is the executor of the agenda
that Oikodespotes aka domicile master holds.

Determination of whether

SATURN SOLE DOMICILA RULER OF AQUARIUS may be Kurios
is determined from the following candidates :smile:

1. Ascendant sign.

Establish whether any planet(s) are in the Ascendant sign
AND bounds of the ascending degree.

2. Domicile Lord of Ascendant.

3. Moon and its Domicile Lord

4. Tenth sign from ascendant and its Domicile Lord

5. Lot of Fortune and its Domicile Lord.

6. Any planets that make phasis in the chart.

include planets that make a first or second station seven days

before
or
after

nativity.

7. The bound lord of the pre-natal lunation.


Kurios aka The Lord of the nativity
is determined using the above hierarchy
AND
is also fit to conduct its business



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Hi, JUPITERASC


I wanted to give a try in calculating this.


1. Ascendant sign, Jupiter in First house conj. Asc


2. Domciile lord is Mercury


3. Moon is in Virgo, domicile Lord is once again Mercury


4. in the 10th sign we find the sun and it is ruled by Jupiter


5. Lot of Fortune is ruled by Jupiter and found in Sag.


6. no planets appear to be entering/exiting phasis week before or after my birth, venus does station retro however.


7. the bound lord of the syzygy (I am assuming you are talking about decans)

Saturn





Seems to be a mix between Mercury/Jupiter


how would you choose between the two?
 

JUPITERASC

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Hi, JUPITERASC
I wanted to give a try in calculating this.
1. Ascendant sign, Jupiter in First house conj. Asc
2. Domicile lord is Mercury
3. Moon is in Virgo, domicile Lord is once again Mercury
4. in the 10th sign we find the sun and it is ruled by Jupiter
5. Lot of Fortune is ruled by Jupiter and found in Sag.
6. no planets appear to be entering/exiting phasis week before or after my birth, venus does station retro however.
7. the bound lord of the syzygy (I am assuming you are talking about decans)
Saturn
Seems to be a mix between Mercury/Jupiter
how would you choose between the two?
"...SYZYGY...”

refers to

Full or New Moon
directly preceding the natal

BOUND lord of SYZYGY is NOT the DECAN Lord

The BOUNDS are a system of dividing each zodiacal sign into 5 unequal regions :smile:
The regions are called BOUNDS or TERMS.
Each of the five bounds of a sign is ruled by one of the five planets

i.e.
the non-Lights.


Egyptian Bounds - some variation in ancient literature
in which bounds were of different lengths or ruled by different planets.
For instance, check out the different table of bounds at Altair astrology.

However, the so-called EGYPTIAN BOUNDS are independently attested in many ancient sources.

Additionally, the EGYPTIAN BOUNDS have been found in early horoscopes recovered by archaeologists

Using Bounds
The bound ruler of a planet or point, such as the Ascendant
has an influence over the nature of that planet or point.
The bound is link between the two.

SIGNS as the houses of the planets
and the BOUNDS are comparable to their rooms.

Additionally, the bounds are key
to certain predictive techniques in Hellenistic and Persian astrology.
For instance
the bound ruler of the directed Ascendant
an important time lord

THE DISTRIBUTOR.
You can find
a great set of charts of the various systems of bounds on the Altair Astrology site.



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sinhtheslumberingdragon

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next planet equally important in overall rulership of a nativity
besides Oikodespotes
aka domicile master of the chart


is
KURIOS aka Lord of the nativity.

Kurios is the executor of the agenda
that Oikodespotes aka domicile master holds.

Determination of whether

SATURN SOLE DOMICILA RULER OF AQUARIUS may be Kurios
is determined from the following candidates :smile:

1. Ascendant sign.

Establish whether any planet(s) are in the Ascendant sign
AND bounds of the ascending degree.

2. Domicile Lord of Ascendant.

3. Moon and its Domicile Lord

4. Tenth sign from ascendant and its Domicile Lord

5. Lot of Fortune and its Domicile Lord.

6. Any planets that make phasis in the chart.

include planets that make a first or second station seven days

before
or
after

nativity.

7. The bound lord of the pre-natal lunation.


Kurios aka The Lord of the nativity
is determined using the above hierarchy
AND
is also fit to conduct its business



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"...SYZYGY...”

refers to

Full or New Moon
directly preceding the natal

BOUND lord of SYZYGY is NOT the DECAN Lord

The BOUNDS are a system of dividing each zodiacal sign into 5 unequal regions :smile:
The regions are called BOUNDS or TERMS.
Each of the five bounds of a sign is ruled by one of the five planets

i.e.
the non-Lights.


Egyptian Bounds - some variation in ancient literature
in which bounds were of different lengths or ruled by different planets.
For instance, check out the different table of bounds at Altair astrology.

However, the so-called EGYPTIAN BOUNDS are independently attested in many ancient sources.

Additionally, the EGYPTIAN BOUNDS have been found in early horoscopes recovered by archaeologists

Using Bounds
The bound ruler of a planet or point, such as the Ascendant
has an influence over the nature of that planet or point.
The bound is link between the two.

SIGNS as the houses of the planets
and the BOUNDS are comparable to their rooms.

Additionally, the bounds are key
to certain predictive techniques in Hellenistic and Persian astrology.
For instance
the bound ruler of the directed Ascendant
an important time lord

THE DISTRIBUTOR.
You can find
a great set of charts of the various systems of bounds on the Altair Astrology site.



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JUPITERASC,


Thank you for clarifying on what you meant by "bound".


Recalculating:


1. Jupiter is on the Ascendant, and the bound lord of the Ascendant is Mercury



2. Ascendant is ruled by Mercury


3. The moon is in Virgo, Virgo is ruled by Mercury



4. 10th house is ruled by Saturn and contains Mercury


5. Lot of Fortune is found in the 7th house, in the domicile of Jupiter


6. No planets seem to make Phasis, however Venus does station retrograde



7. The prenatal lumination is found in the bounds of Jupiter


Again, it seems like a tie with Jupiter and Mercury.
 

JUPITERASC

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JUPITERASC,
Thank you for clarifying on what you meant by "bound".
Recalculating:


1. Jupiter is on the Ascendant, and the bound lord of the Ascendant is Mercury
2. Ascendant is ruled by Mercury
3. The moon is in Virgo, Virgo is ruled by Mercury
4. 10th house is ruled by Saturn and contains Mercury
5. Lot of Fortune is found in the 7th house, in the domicile of Jupiter
6. No planets seem to make Phasis, however Venus does station retrograde
7. The prenatal lumination is found in the bounds of Jupiter
Again, it seems like a tie with Jupiter and Mercury.


.....Kurios aka The Lord of the nativity
is determined using previously detailed hierarchy

AND THEN
IS ALSO
fit to conduct its business


so then decide WHICH of these two candidate planets
is most fit to conduct its business :smile:

while
keeping in mind the
two separate approaches
for the determination of the Lord of the Nativity being:

Approach One:
The Lord of the Nativity is the domicile lord of the Midheaven IF this planet is angular.

If it is NOT ANGULAR then:

The Lord of the Nativity is a planet in the Midheaven/10th house.

If no planet in the Midheaven then
The Lord of the Natavity is a planet in the 11th house


the other Approach already detailed

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sinhtheslumberingdragon

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An important consideration in Hellenistic Astrology
is whether a planet is “...able to conduct its business....”

for example:

Conditions relative to the zodiac:
If a planet is in one of its own places
– i.e. domicile, exaltation, bound/term
– then that planet is able to conduct its business.


Note: If a planet is in a place of a sect mate
i.e. if the planet's dispositor is another planet of the same sect
and/or “....political party...”
then
that planet has some fitness and/or ability to conduct its business
- BUT it has to use the resources of its planetary sect mate. :smile:


For example, the diurnal sect planets are Sun, Jupiter and Saturn, and so
if Jupiter is in the domicile/exaltation/bounds of Sun or Saturn
Jupiter is able to conduct business
BUT Jupiter has to rely on Sun or Saturn for support.


According to Robert Schmidt http://www.projecthindsight.com/

a planet in its own place
i.e. in domicile, rulership, exaltation, bounds/terms
is situated
as if “....travelling in a shaded chariot....”
- thus even if that planet is combust
the planet can be effective and is able to conduct its business
Schmidt advises that, in today's terms

“...travelling in a shaded chariot...” is comparable to travelling in a limo
with the blinds drawn over windows of dark shaded glass.

So far as Hellenistic astrology is concerned
the ability of a planet to conduct its business is assessed in specific ways:
one of those assessments states that a planet can conduct business
when in the place of a sect mate:
Schmidt says HELLENISTIC SECT is a condition relevant to the sun
Conditions relative to Sun are:
When a planet is in sect, it is favorable to the native.
When a planet is out of sect, it is unfavorable to the native.
the Diurnal planets - Sun, Jupiter and Saturn
- are favorable in diurnal charts
and unfavorable in nocturnal charts.
The Nocturnal planets
- Moon, Venus and Mars
- are favorable in nocturnal charts
and
unfavorable in diurnal charts.

Schmidt says that the Hellenistic definition of sect
DIFFERS FROM the medieval definition of sect
because
Hellenistically sect is simply determined from the chart itself
i.e.
for diurnal charts, Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are in sect
and
Venus, Moon and Mars are contrary to sect.
For nocturnal charts
Venus, Moon and Mars are in sect
and
Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are contrary to sect.

The other definitions of sect found in Medieval Astrology are the rejoicing conditions.


Good
The Benefic of the sect is good
- i.e. Jupiter in diurnal chart
and
Venus in nocturnal chart
and
the destructiveness of the Malefic of the sect
can be used for the benefit of native
rather than against the native
- i.e against others = good for the native but not good for others

A Malefic contrary to sect is bad
i.e. Saturn in a nocturnal chart
and
Mars in diurnal chart
A Benefic contrary to sect aka NOT BELONGING TO THE "...political party in power..."
cannot pursue its own agenda.
Schmidt uses the analogy of its best function being that of "...the loyal opposition..."


There are other conditions
governing whether the business conducted by the planets
is favorable or unfavorable, these are

a) Conditions relative to the horizon:

If a planet in a whole sign house is configured to the ascendant/aspects the ascendant by whole sign
- then the planet is said to manifest its favorable significations to the native.
i.e.
if a planet is in house 1/3/4/5/7/9/10/11
then that planet can manifest its favorable significations to the native

If a planet is in a whole sign house in aversion to the ascendant
- i.e.
houses 2/6/8/12
- then the planet is said
to manifest its unfavorable significations to the native.

Example of how various combinations could work out when applied to a natal chart:
A planet in 8th house is fit to conduct its business
but that business is unfavorable to the native
as the 8th house is the Idle House in Hellenistic astrology.

A planet in the 7th house is fit and favorable
but is more favorable to others rather than to the native
because the 7th house is in opposition to the first house.

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JUPITERASC,



Looking between the two planets -



Mercury is dignified by being second trigon lord - not the best but dignity nonetheless


Mercury makes aspects to nearly all the sect mates - overcomes saturn in a square, trines Jupiter


Jupiter is dignified by face - and also by being the third trigon lord of gemini



It has interaction with the sect mates (and also some out of sect mates)


so perhaps I would judge as Mercury being the overall winner in this case.


What is your opinion?
 

sinhtheslumberingdragon

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MERCURY the SHAPESHIFTER :smile:

belongs to the diurnal sect when rising as a MORNING STAR
and
belongs to the nocturnal sect when setting as an EVENING STAR
and so
discern whether natal mercury is a Morning or an Evening star :smile:


MERCURY ADAPTING SHAPESHIFTING ABILITIES



Mercury as a MORNING STAR is of the diurnal sect
whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as a morning star is the Sun’s co-sectarian
along with Saturn and Jupiter.
Mercury as an EVENING STAR is of the nocturnal sect
whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as an evening star is the Moon’s co-sectarian
along with Venus and Mars
and so
If the chart is a DAY CHART
THEN
the diurnal sect is in favour
and the Sun is the sect leader
and Jupiter and Saturn are the planets of the sect in favour:
and IF Mercury is a MORNING STAR, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour.

If the chart is a NIGHT CHART
then the nocturnal sect is in favour
and the Moon is the sect leader
and Venus and Mars are of the sect in favour:
and if Mercury is an EVENING STAR, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour



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Mercury is indeed the Morning star for me
 

JUPITERASC

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Dodekatopos



The reverse is also true, overfeeling can lead to underthinking.
Mirror images
I - children of parents, friends of relatives, relatives of friends, husband of wife, parents of children
II - friends of parents, suffering of relatives, parents of friends, property of wife, fortune of children
III - suffering of parents, siblings of relatives, fortune of friends, travel of wife, injury of children
IV - siblings of parents, livelihood of relatives, injury of friends, action of wife, wives of children
V - livelihood of parents, relatives of relatives, wives of friends, friends of wife, property of children
VI - relatives of parents, parents of relatives, property of friends, suffering of wife, travel of children
VII - parents of parents, fortune of relatives, travel of friends, siblings of wife, children of children
VIII - fortune of parents, injury of relatives, children of friends, livelihood of wife, friends of children
IX - injury of parents, wives of relatives, friends of friends, relatives of wife, suffering of children
X - grandchildren of parents, property of relatives, suffering of friends, parents of wife, siblings of children
XI - property of parents, travel of relatives, siblings of friends, fortune of wife, livelihood of children
XII - travel of parents, action of relatives, livelihood of friends, injury of wife, relatives of children

Is it possible to avoid infinite regress of relatives in the odd numbered signs?
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Moderation in moderation leads to more moderation, not extremes actually.

This is why the mean is best virtue in some Eastern philosophies
and according to Aristotle. It is active, not passive
Moderately moderate = extremely moderate
The word you are looking for is immoderate.


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The opposite of exaltation (heightened) is depression (low height), but the language being used is in terms of height. The Sun is highest in Aries, and lowest in Libra. It is lower in Leo than Cancer as well, but it has affinity through domicile. - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...postcount=5779


The opposite of the exaltation is depression. The Greek hypsoma imply literal latitude. Pliny and Valens treat those as literal latitude. Ptolemy appears to be the first source with a completely seasonal rationale, perhaps he was aware of some technical flaw in the epicyclic theory.

Another fragment from the Michigan papyrus:
''Still other ethereal constellations revolve in their own circles. The Sun is in apogee in Gemini; Venus is in perigee in Pisces and in apogee in Virgo; Jupiter is in apogee in Cancer and in perigee in Capricorn'' - see Michigan Papyri, Vol III, Papyri in the University of Michigan Collection, Miscellaneous Papyri, Ed. John Garret Winter, University of Michigan Press, Ann Arbor, MI, 1936. Translation by F.E. Robbins.

Note that there is some inconsistency with the epicyclic theory since the Sun has apogee in Gemini (and is changing but they did not know about that until the Middle Ages) from a geocentric perspective. Perhaps the Sun and the Moon exaltations are seasonal (in the Babylonian zodiac) while the others are related to stations, and as such were then integrated into the epicyclic theories by the Greeks.

If the other five planets exaltations are related to epicyclic perigree and apogee, they were not meant to be used in a tropical zodiac due to how revolutions work (they do not have precession as noted by Ptolemy in Almagest 9.6). Last edited by petosiris; 11-04-2018 at 07:52 PM.


That is how the Greeks conceptualized them anyways, it has nothing to do with emotional considerations having precedence over rank and power, lol.

One can easily spot that Libra and Sagittarius are the domiciles of the benefics, yet adjacent to the planets' depression. The domicile definitely takes precedence to the placement by adjacency, yet the adjacency still takes some power away from the planets. Exaltations are better than domiciles, contrary to what some people think. If Mars in Aries is +4 from domicile and -1 from masculine sign, then Venus in Libra is +2 since it is a masculine sign (-1) and adjacent to its depression (-2). Venus still rejoices in Libra, but not as much as in Taurus and especially Pisces.
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THE NATURE of SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS :smile:
is

Masculine, diurnal
cold and dry
melancholic
earthly
malevolent
the Greater Infortune
Author of solitariness

HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY uses CHRONOCRATORS
Chrono = Time
Crator = Ruler
aka TIME RULERS
aka TIME LORDS

Valens explains in Book Seven that
there can be - and often are - at any one time, several Time Lords
and so

according to Valens if these Time Lords are all benefics
the judgement is for a beneficial year.
but if these TIME LORDS are all benefics mixed with malefics as well
then the judgement is for a mixed year
If these TIME LORDS are all malefics judgement is for a difficult year

Vettius Valens explains in detail in THE ANTHOLOGY
FREE to read online pdf translated from the original Ancient Greek
at
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf

Book Seven of THE ANTHOLOGY by Vettius Valens states :smile:
'....Take the ascensional time of a sign
and count it up with the period of the planet in this sign.
The sum gives a particular year.

TABLE OF ASCENSIONAL ARCS OF ZODIAC SIGNS
is viewable at http://www.projecthindsight.com/images/TablesPDFs/Tb2-AscensionTimes.pdf

Rhetorius translation by James Holden provides a chart example
which states that effect of planet lasts until its period ends.
more info for interested at https://patrickwatsonastrology.com/...lrKmF4WmS0Mywu7g4WVaMlCYJloj2wVXVZVt6W9a7SJq0
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=991635#post991635




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