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Unread 09-26-2015, 08:09 AM
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Hey everyone, I'm a Libra Sun/Moon and Scorpio Asc. Saturn and Pluto are prominent in my chart, with Pluto in Scorpio in house 1 and Saturn in Aqua (the sign on my IC; Saturn is in H3 which is Capricorn, though. Honestly I don't really know what this means).

It takes four personal planets in Libra (Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Mars) to balance them out. But honestly I don't feel very Libra-ish, especially at times when I need to be sociable.

Yep. I'm a very calm and laid-back person. Usually...
I've liked astrology for a really long time, and knew about birth charts for years, but just over the past few months have I really started to buckle down and research what it all means. I'm really interested in looking at other peoples charts and comparing them to my own. I want to use astrology to heal people and open their chakras or unblock their energy fields or make herbal remedies or simply give guidance. Anything that helps people feel better.

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Re: Hey..

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Originally Posted by plutoniq View Post

Hey everyone, I'm a Libra Sun/Moon and Scorpio Asc. Saturn and Pluto are prominent in my chart, with Pluto in Scorpio in house 1 and Saturn in Aqua (the sign on my IC; Saturn is in H3 which is Capricorn, though.

Honestly I don't really know what this means).

It takes four personal planets in Libra (Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Mars) to balance them out. But honestly I don't feel very Libra-ish, especially at times when I need to be sociable.

Yep. I'm a very calm and laid-back person. Usually...
I've liked astrology for a really long time,
and knew about birth charts for years,

but just over the past few months have I really started to buckle down
and research what it all means.


I'm really interested in looking at other peoples charts and comparing them to my own.
I want to use astrology to heal people and open their chakras
or unblock their energy fields
or make herbal remedies or simply give guidance.
Anything that helps people feel better.
Hey welcome
"What it all means" is frequently a matter of opinion
astrologers tend to favor different methods
so enjoy the lively discussion

A thread you may find interesting
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=80531

if you keep in mind that:

A PLANET acts.

A HOUSE shows the area of life in which the planet acts

as well as
how strongly the planet can act






and


A SIGN shows the quality of the planet's expression.





so then

if you start working from that idea
you can build on it



i.e.

- select a natal planet
Locate which house the planet is in
Assess how comfortable the planet is in that natal sign
Find what the planet rules in the chart

keep in mind that
An understanding of planetary dignity and debility
is useful for assessing how comfortable a planet is in a particular sign


HOW TO READ DIGNITIES WITH TABLE http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html


Fixed Stars are a little known area
that adds useful detail

FIXED STAR INFO from renowned expert Anne Wright FREE at http://constellationsofwords.com/Fixedstars.htm



FIXED STARS IN NATAL ASTROLOGY
http://constellationsofwords.com/cat...atalrobson.htm



2015 EPHEMERIS FILES
TO CHECK CURRENT LOCATION OF TRANSITING PLANETS
http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/2000/ae_2015.pdf
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Re: Hey..

Wow, that thread you linked is intimidating to me, especially considering my username. I didn't know Pluto was a topic for debate. But for now I will keep my opinion that Pluto is a significant astrological object that transmits as much energy as any visible planet, though it may not be in the form of light, as it fits so well not only within my natal chart, but also within it's current transit across my third house and recent events I have gone through.

Also, what does it mean when a planet is within a sign, but not in the house that sign rules, is what I meant. I feel like there was a miscommunication somehow, yet the info you posted was still very helpful. My Saturn is right in between H3 and H4.

Anyway, hi, it's nice to meet you. I'll check out the other links you posted, too.

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Re: Hey..

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Wow, that thread you linked is intimidating to me, especially considering my username.
I didn't know Pluto was a topic for debate. But for now I will keep my opinion that Pluto is a significant astrological object
that transmits as much energy as any visible planet, though it may not be in the form of light, as it fits so well not only within my natal chart,
but also within it's current transit across my third house and recent events I have gone through.

Also,
what does it mean
when a planet is within a sign,
but not in the house that sign rules
,
is what I meant.

I feel like there was a miscommunication somehow,
yet the info you posted was still very helpful.
My Saturn is right in between H3 and H4.


Anyway, hi, it's nice to meet you. I'll check out the other links you posted, too.
Hi, good to meet you as well

not all astrologers use the same house system
and
there are in fact more than thirty different house systems

fourteen of the more popular house systems are on offer on astro.com
on their Extended Chart Selection page

the fact is, the house location of a natal planet may change
dependent on the house system chosen
for example
dr. farr - having studied history of astrology for more than fifty years -
mentions
during a discussion August 2011 titled WHOLE SIGN OR PLACIDUS?
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=311413#post311413

the following elucidation on the history of:
HOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD 'CUSP' CHANGED

and how

'.....Originally, the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable
and so
a planet in Aries was also a planet in the house of Aries
so that in effect there were no real houses as we know them today....' http://www.librarising.com/astrology...ignhouses.html



i.e.
check the house and sign location of your natal Saturn using whole sign houses
and contrast that with the house system you currenty use
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Originally Posted by dr. farr View Post


Cusps:

Today
(and for the past thousand years or so)
we define cusps as "borders" (coasts),
but that is not the original meaning of the word "cusp
":

it means "point" such as cuspal teeth (bicuspids) and the point of a sword

-so originally the term cusp meant the "point" of something,
and in astrology originally the "cusp" of the house meant its "point";

now, when quadrant systems were developed,
this "point" of the house came to mean its "beginning",
which later came to mean its "border",
ie, the "border" between one house and the other.

And later astrology also began using these "borders" (cusps) for various prognostic applications
(Charles Carter came to believe that, for timing of events,
the "cusps" of the Campanus house system gave the best results, among the various quadrant house systems)


But now notice this:

in whole sign the cusps are NOT the 0 degree "borders" of sign/houses at all, and never were so regarded!

In whole sign, the "cusp" retained its original meaning, not as a "border" but rather as A POINT

-and that POINT (cusp) for EACH house,
was the sensitive point of that house,
viz,
the sensitive point in whole sign houses
-each house-
that is the "cusp" of each house
-is a direct projection from the ascending degree
.


Example:

-the ascending degree of a chart is 18 Taurus:
what are the house cusps (sensitive points, original meaning of the word "cusp") in the whole sign houses of this chart?

Cusp of 1st house = 18 Taurus
Cusp of 2nd house = 18 Gemini
Cusp of 3rd house = 18 Cancer
Cusp of 4th house = 18 Leo
Cusp of 5th house = 18 Virgo
Cusp of 6th house = 18 Libra
Cusp of 7th house = 18 Scorpio
Cusp of 8th house = 18 Sagittarius
Cusp of 9th house = 18 Capricorn
Cusp of 10th house = 18 Aquarius
Cusp of 11th house = 18 Pisces
Cusp of 12th house = 18 Aries

Now it is these "cusps"
(sensitive degrees, original meaning of the word "cusp" as a "point")
that are (and were) used for progressions, timing of events, etc,

and the fact is that they work for these purposes, quite well (in expert hands)


Whole sign does not use the BORDERS between houses
(always 0 degree of any sign) for anything,
but it DOES use "cusps"
(points in the house, projected from the exact ascending degree)

for timing (and other) delineative purposes.


Whole sign suddenly vanished (both in the West and in Vedic astrology) during the same period of time
-ie, late 8th to early 9th century
-this sudden disappearance suggests a sudden turn in astrological thinking and practices,
rather than a gradual supplanting of a less effective traditional method
(whole sign)
by a new and more effective method (rheotrius/alchabitius in the West,
and
the closely related to whole sign Equal house, in Vedic astrology)

I quite agree with Waybread in the statement,
"so what?" (if old time astrologers did or didn't do something)

For me, there is only 1 reason I switched to whole sign
-it worked better (FOR ME)

I could care less if it were the oldest house system (which it is)
or whether it was invented by Badda Bing at Barney's Beanery in Bayonne, 10 years ago:

only things I consider are:
-does it seem to make sense?
-does it "taste good" to me (ie, does it "feel right" to me)
-and, if yes to the above,
does it work
(producing delineations and predicitions)
better than what I have previously been doing
?

Well, whole sign did all that, for me, so I switched;
but I am not going to try to convince anyone of anything about it, except for beginners
-to you who might just be starting out,
I would say: try whole sign first, and see how well it might work for you...

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