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Or put differently, why haven't Republicans convinced more urban voters to elect them?
Depends on the person.

The populism from the democrats can feel very tempting, but not everyone wants or needs it.

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Meth and opioids are the Red State drugs--no drug-gangs for those.
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Depends on the person.

The populism from the democrats can feel very tempting, but not everyone wants or needs it.
It's not the populism you're blaming the Democrats for, it's the inevitable crime and violence that's the result of the War on (citizens who use and/or sell) Drugs.

Hey, it's a War. What else would be expected?

Republicans are just as much, if not more, to blame for that as Democrats.

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The Democratic Party used to be the party of slavery. After a major shift in political ideology, they became the party of the minorities & the poor & were a beacon of light. That's all changed now & there's not much difference in ideology with the two parties. The black voters overwhelmingly still vote 90% Democrat but it's changing slowly. Even if Trump peels away 10% of the Democratic vote, they lose. The Democrats cannot win without the black vote but many black people are leaving what they call the Democratic Plantation.
The DNC have not improved the lives of any minority, that's why Trump received a large chunk of the Jewish & other minority votes. I never was a Trump supporter until the riots started & I noticed the Democrats didn't speak out against it but Trump did. He has my vote on this issue alone. I know others from minority groups that will be voting for him this time around.

Many Democrats don't support the Left Wing take-over of the party. They've gone too far in denying the violence & the destruction of the mobs; they've gone too far in supporting Radical Ideas like de-funding the police, allowing gun violence to continue in the major cities for decades and smearing all Republicans as white, rich racists Many working class, blue-collar voted for Trump & will again. They are not the typicial RNC voter.

He's now gaining support from Indian Americans who typical vote Democrat.
They don't like the Biden-Left Radical Extremist Agenda.

Trump Victory Indian American Finance Committee says mass defections from traditional Democratic supporters may prove decisive in November poll.

An Indian American group supporting President Donald Trump believes tens of thousands of voters from the community would defect from Democrats in the 2020 presidential race to help him get re-elected.

Citing Trump’s “Howdy Modi” and “Namaste Trump” rallies with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Houston and Ahmedabad, India, Mason said, “In many ways, the US-India relationship has never been stronger.’’

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The US Democratic party are historically focused on underprivileged groups in society, historically they were based in the Southeastern USA until the 1930s-60s when the party began to focus first on Jewish and Catholic voters and then African-American and Latino voters. The party's agenda is to increase social and political equality of all groups of people who don't have lots of money, power or privilege. I'm aware the GOP under Abraham Lincoln during the civil war was an abolitionist party, but the problem was their conservatism and their willingness to turn against the concept of social and political equality has brought in many white, rural and traditional voters, esp. in the Southern states to be Republican majority in the past half century after the Civil Rights Movement ended (1970).

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The gang-bangers are destroying the cities, why can't you admit that?

50-100 shot by black gangstas every weekend in Baltimore, Chicago & other Democrat-led cities. Most survive thanks to modern medicine but the violence is out of control & the Democratic Party won't do anything about it.

Democrats Control America’s Most Dangerous Cities. So Why Do They Keep Passing the Buck on Gun Crime?


A good start would come from engaging in an honest discussion of the daily criminal carnage playing out in the cities controlled by their own party. Preventing the deaths of today’s black youth would do a lot more good than dwelling on a racist past whose evils can never be undone.




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It's not the populism you're blaming the Democrats for, it's the inevitable crime and violence that's the result of the War on (citizens who use and/or sell) Drugs.

Hey, it's a War. What else would be expected?

Republicans are just as much, if not more, to blame for that as Democrats.
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The gang-bangers are destroying the cities, why can't you admit that?

50-100 shot by black gangstas every weekend in Baltimore, Chicago & other Democrat-led cities. Most survive thanks to modern medicine but the violence is out of control & the Democratic Party won't do anything about it.

Democrats Control America’s Most Dangerous Cities. So Why Do They Keep Passing the Buck on Gun Crime?


A good start would come from engaging in an honest discussion of the daily criminal carnage playing out in the cities controlled by their own party. Preventing the deaths of today’s black youth would do a lot more good than dwelling on a racist past whose evils can never be undone.
An honest discussion about the so-called 'War on Drugs" appears to be impossible. Just admit it: No "War on Drugs"=no gang-bangers.
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An honest discussion about the so-called 'War on Drugs" appears to be impossible. Just admit it: No "War on Drugs"=no gang-bangers.
Not really - criminals are always going to commit criminal acts, whether you end the war on drugs or not, doesn't change who they are.

Criminals would simply change into another more suitable activity.

For example, human traffick.

By your own logic should prostitution be legalized? human traffick? robbery? rape? I don't think so.
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So you condone the selling of crack, coke, meth, heroin, fentanyl as that will mean no more gang violence?

See what I mean. Democrats won't even admit that gang-banging is the biggest problem in the urban cities today. They allow it to continue decade after decade without trying to eradicate it like Guiliani and Bloomberg did in NY.

It's the women, children & other young black males that are dying & suffering as the result of the Do-Nothing Democratic Mayors.





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Not really - criminals are always going to commit criminal acts, whether you end the war on drugs or not, doesn't change who they are.

Criminals would simply change into another more suitable activity.

For example, human traffick.

By your own logic should prostitution be legalized? human traffick? robbery? rape? I don't think so.
When's the last time there was a drive-by shooting involving the use and sale of ALCOHOL??? Ever heard of PROHIBITION???

Prostitution CAN be voluntary, so that's in another category.

But murder, rape, robberies and burglary are ALL DIRECTLY RELATED to the "WAR ON DRUGS".

Human trafficking is a separate problem, which is EXACERBATED, although NOT CAUSED, by the "WAR ON DRUGS".

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Dirius, here I thought you had at least SOME Libertarian viewpoints. What about supply-and-demand? If a drug, INCLUDING alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine, is in demand, why, in your opinion, can't adults use it, buy it and sell it for a profit? Aren't you a free-market capitalist?

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Libertarians generally (not unanimously) believe that, in principle, prostitution is a victimless profession, when it involves a noncoersive transaction between consenting adults. That's in the category of a free-market, supply-and-demand, capitalistic "service-industry".

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Just curious: Anyone believe marijuana cultivation, sale and use should be a punishable crime?
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https://lp.org/issues/war-on-drugs/

I agree with the Libertarian Party on this issue.

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Although the Democratic Party does include a lot of prudish, puritanical conservatives, it's not totally infested with them like in the case of the Republican Party. That's why Democrats are more suitable for larger population areas with a greater variety of personal standards for adult behavior.
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David, do you think that there should be LEGAL sale of crack, coke, meth, fentanyl & all the other drugs sold in the inner-cities which create competition with the gangs & causes around 50 acts of gun violence per week?(low estimate).

Comparing these types of drugs to alcohol is irresponsible. Not everyone gets addicted to alcohol & is used by the majority of users in responsible, social way. Ever seen a meth, crack, cocaine, heroin addict? They will sell their own baby for a fix (& some have). They become addicted fairly quickly with these drugs, we're not talking about pot here. The money is in these chemical compounds they mix together to sell to the addicts.


Your comments are not logical. What does the 'war on drugs' have to do with rape and robbery? And there is no 'war on drugs' except for the drug cartels....there is a war on gang violence, on gun violence in the inner-cities. Unfortunately, due to the recent BLM demands, these urban areas will and have seen an increase in the gun violence & crimes in general. When there are no police around, the criminals get really bold. They know they aren't going to be arrested so they are free to rob, rape, kill.

The white, woke Liberals who run back to their safe suburbs don't have to deal with the fallout. They don't have to worry about their babies getting shot, their daughters, sisters & mothers getting raped, their entire community go down the drain or their young brothers & fathers getting gunned down every week.


Go for a drive with the cops one weekend in the inner-city of Chicago or Baltimore or any other crime-ridden Democrat city.




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When's the last time there was a drive-by shooting involving the use and sale of ALCOHOL??? Ever heard of PROHIBITION???

Prostitution CAN be voluntary, so that's in another category.

But murder, rape, robberies and burglary are ALL DIRECTLY RELATED to the "WAR ON DRUGS".

Human trafficking is a separate problem, which is EXACERBATED, although NOT CAUSED, by the "WAR ON DRUGS".
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So Blackbery, you still haven't explained why a majority of New Yorkers or other big city dwellers don't vote Republican more often. Wouldn't you imagine they want a safe city if things are as bad as you claim.

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David, do you think that there should be LEGAL sale of crack, coke, meth, fentanyl & all the other drugs sold in the inner-cities which create competition with the gangs & causes around 50 acts of gun violence per week?(low estimate).

Comparing these types of drugs to alcohol is irresponsible. Not everyone gets addicted to alcohol & is used by the majority of users in responsible, social way. Ever seen a meth, crack, cocaine, heroin addict? They will sell their own baby for a fix (& some have). They become addicted fairly quickly with these drugs, we're not talking about pot here. The money is in these chemical compounds they mix together to sell to the addicts.


Your comments are not logical. What does the 'war on drugs' have to do with rape and robbery? And there is no 'war on drugs' except for the drug cartels....there is a war on gang violence, on gun violence in the inner-cities. Unfortunately, due to the recent BLM demands, these urban areas will and have seen an increase in the gun violence & crimes in general. When there are no police around, the criminals get really bold. They know they aren't going to be arrested so they are free to rob, rape, kill.

The white, woke Liberals who run back to their safe suburbs don't have to deal with the fallout. They don't have to worry about their babies getting shot, their daughters, sisters & mothers getting raped, their entire community go down the drain or their young brothers & fathers getting gunned down every week.


Go for a drive with the cops one weekend in the inner-city of Chicago or Baltimore or any other crime-ridden Democrat city.
Making it legal takes the gangs out of the picture. There goes the drive-by shootings, the turf wars, and a lot of the danger for the police. That's what happened when Prohibition ended. And now, as you say, alcohol use is at a manageable level. No gun-battles over the sale of alcohol.
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Depends on the person.

The populism from the democrats can feel very tempting, but not everyone wants or needs it.
We're talking about a majority of voters, Dirius.

Right now Donald Trump and his courtiers are populists.

Populism definition: "a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups."

Had you considered that it's because Republicans actually don't give a hoot about the systemic, structural barriers to the success of visible minorities and the urban poor?
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The War on Drugs => War on the Streets.

That puts everyone at high risk, including the police and innocent bystanders, including children.
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The Democratic Party used to be the party of slavery. After a major shift in political ideology, they became the party of the minorities & the poor & were a beacon of light. That's all changed now & there's not much difference in ideology with the two parties. The black voters overwhelmingly still vote 90% Democrat but it's changing slowly. Even if Trump peels away 10% of the Democratic vote, they lose. The Democrats cannot win without the black vote but many black people are leaving what they call the Democratic Plantation.
The DNC have not improved the lives of any minority, that's why Trump received a large chunk of the Jewish & other minority votes. I never was a Trump supporter until the riots started & I noticed the Democrats didn't speak out against it but Trump did. He has my vote on this issue alone. I know others from minority groups that will be voting for him this time around.

Many Democrats don't support the Left Wing take-over of the party. They've gone too far in denying the violence & the destruction of the mobs; they've gone too far in supporting Radical Ideas like de-funding the police, allowing gun violence to continue in the major cities for decades and smearing all Republicans as white, rich racists Many working class, blue-collar voted for Trump & will again. They are not the typicial RNC voter.

He's now gaining support from Indian Americans who typical vote Democrat.
They don't like the Biden-Left Radical Extremist Agenda.

Trump Victory Indian American Finance Committee says mass defections from traditional Democratic supporters may prove decisive in November poll.

An Indian American group supporting President Donald Trump believes tens of thousands of voters from the community would defect from Democrats in the 2020 presidential race to help him get re-elected.

Citing Trump’s “Howdy Modi” and “Namaste Trump” rallies with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Houston and Ahmedabad, India, Mason said, “In many ways, the US-India relationship has never been stronger.’’

“Indian American communities in the United States largely credit Trump for deepening the ties between the two countries,” he wrote.




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Blackbery, your history is only partly correct. The facts:

The southern states remained heavily Democratic until the 1970s. You may have read about Jim Crow laws in the South, the Dixiecrats, and the "separate but equal" (since abolished) interpretation of the 14th amendment to the Constitution.

Jim Crow was a period of massive discrimination against Blacks, via legal segregation, violence and threatened violence. Please read up on this.

Northern Democrats tended to be involved in labor unions, prior to the Manufacturing Belt becoming the Rust Belt. Historically the Democrats got a huge boost when Franklin D. Roosevelt convinced the nation that he could turn the economy around during the Great Depression and keep the country united during WW II. The Constitution was actually amended to permit him to serve four terms.

The president who had a major role in changing the rampant discrimination against African Americans was Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-69.) He was a southerner (Texan) and a shrewd politician.

May I assume that you know the history of the Civil Rights Movement of the early 1960s? (John Lews, Martin Luther King, Freedom Summer, &c.)

Under Johnson, the following legislation was passed: the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and the Fair Housing Act.

Johnson lost popularity over the ongoing Vietnam War, but the landmark legislation remains.

The term "Democratic plantation" is truly offensive. It is not used exclusively by white Republicans but it is used by them often enough to understand their callousness towards African American experiences.

Jewish voters have always been divided between Republicans and Democrats, but the majority tend to vote Democratic.

You might want to calm down about Black Lives Matter. When was the last demonstration near you (unless you live in Portland)?

Frankly Trump's bungling of CV-19 is far more devastating in terms of its costs than the Black Lives Matter protests have been.

This is what most voters will recall. Oh, and perhaps that the riots occurred under Donald Trump's watch.
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So your final answer is yes, that you believe stores should sell crack, heroin, meth, fentanyl & other dangerous, addictive drugs to anyone who wants it?

Really nothing more to say to you David if you think this is the way to solve gang violence. Your idea would create an entire nation of addicts because unlike alcohol or even gambling where a small percentage become addicted, the types of drugs you want to sell legally make 99% of the people addicted.

Even if we created your wonderful country of crack addicts with no teeth, there would be other things gangs would get involved with. I've been to the Netherlands with legalized prostitution & there's still pimps & mafias making money & violence. Gangs would start pushing the drugs onto kids who can't purchase the drugs legally or do you think there should be no age limit to a kid buying coke or meth?

There is no honest, mature discussion here. No accountability for the crime-ridden Democratic cities & it's no surprise the gun violence is out of control.

If black lives really mattered, they would do something to help the thousands of black people killed in the prime of their lives. It's not the police killing them....it's the other gang members.







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So your final answer is yes, that you believe stores should sell crack, heroin, meth, fentanyl & other dangerous, addictive drugs to anyone who wants it?

Really nothing more to say to you David if you think this is the way to solve gang violence. Your idea would create an entire nation of addicts because unlike alcohol or even gambling where a small percentage become addicted, the types of drugs you want to sell legally make 99% of the people addicted.

Even if we created your wonderful country of crack addicts with no teeth, there would be other things gangs would get involved with. I've been to the Netherlands with legalized prostitution & there's still pimps & mafias making money & violence. Gangs would start pushing the drugs onto kids who can't purchase the drugs legally or do you think there should be no age limit to a kid buying coke or meth?

There is no honest, mature discussion here. No accountability for the crime-ridden Democratic cities & it's no surprise the gun violence is out of control.

If black lives really mattered, they would do something to help the thousands of black people killed in the prime of their lives. It's not the police killing them....it's the other gang members.
Next thing you know, they'll be selling ALCOHOL in the stores at reasonable prices to adults, with no gangsters involved. Heaven forfend, how will our society survive THAT!???
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You are not a black person & don't understand the term. It was coined by black voters.

The Democratic plantation is a reference to the Democratic party’s use of public policy that is intended to establish a voter base that is completely dependent on them remaining in power. At the same time that the Democratic party is building a voter base that is dependent on the party remaining in power, that same base is not adequately enabled through said public policy to lift themselves out of impoverished conditions and break the cycle of dependency. In other words, the concept can be summarized in the following statement:

Just enough to need to them, but never enough to no longer need them.

Black Republicans are ridiculed by the DNC yet there are many switching party to vote for Trump.

9% of Black America voted for Trump, and with Trump now boasting approval of 36 percent in Black America, that spells trouble for the Democratic “slave owners” of Black America. How will they be able to keep blacks dependent on government through welfare programs? How will they compete against the Republican ideals of school choice to allow black families to take their children out of failing schools? Every major city in America is run by Democrats owning the black vote while the black community lives in poverty.


The Jewish vote is too small in America to make any difference so whether they vote for Trump or Biden is of no consequence.







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The term "Democratic plantation" is truly offensive. It is not used exclusively by white Republicans but it is used by them often enough to understand their callousness towards African American experiences.
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David, you really need to compose yourself. Creating a nation of crack & heroin addicts is not really the answer.



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Alcohol, heroin, and crack are in exactly the same category of a highly addictive substance that can cause serious harm to the user's health and well-being, and evoke behavior that is harmful to others. But, because alcohol sales and use are legal, there is no gang violence associated with its sales and use. That's because we came to the realization that alcohol prohibition should be ended. The Feds then targeted other drugs to keep their lucrative cops-and-robbers game funded.

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