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Unread 03-04-2014, 11:18 PM
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Astrology Shame

I've just had a rough couple of hours - I recently started studying for a Vedic Astrology diploma which I'm very excited about AND I got very excited about this new method of rectifiying birthtimes I found here on the forum (JUPITERASC's post) and I tried it out on myself, my ex (who's sweet and known about what I'm into for a while).

THEN I tried it out on facebook on two people I hadn't told prior that I was into astrology ... and it was off putting :-( . And other's view of mysticism, especially when it feels like a personal judgment, still gets this reaction out of me. Truth be told I just want to love everybody and not care what they believe, but the latter isn't happening. Guess I've still got some astrology shame to heal.

It goes deeper though, it's a much older personal shame of my wants and needs being too other-worldly, too strange, too philosophical, too unattainable, too cray, I should be feared. It's the shame of being naive. That my opinions don't matter. Down to Earth and practical is safe but once they verge on/ stray to what cannot be proven or seen...THEY'RE USELESS!!

I wanted to share how I feel in this moment with this lovely community because this is one of the places I can come to and know that I am among other mistically-minded people :-). Or at least other open-minded people and where they are grumpy are sometimes smacked back into place ;-D

If you read this, and you're in the dark about being on this forum, about being so lost and alone and ashamed of the fact that you're turning to seemingly unfamiliar territory to replenish yourself, know that you are not alone. We are simply building anew.

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Unread 03-04-2014, 11:39 PM
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Re: Astrology Shame

Always nice to know someone who is studying for astrology at a professional level. . I feel your pain. I've had my moments elsewhere on another forum where I e-socialise. I've experienced the "astrology shame" you speak of as well. Stay strong, and keep persevering. The way I look at it, is that if we make mistakes we can use them as an opportunity to learn. I've learnt to keep my astrology discussions and readings here at AW and here alone. Never elsewhere.

Interesting post.
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Unread 03-05-2014, 07:10 AM
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the best way to handle it is to make lots of new friends with serious interest in astrology as well. it's the best remedy. if astrology makes you happy the worst feeling is being in the company of someone that wants to debate its validity. so not worth the energy or the time.
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The sad thing its not shame on us, its the discovery of bigotry in others. I know people who are my friends but who suddenly treat me like a piece of cr@p because I stepped on one of their bigotry modes by being a professional astrologer.

Its so so sad.

Astrology is a kind of world view. If they have the materialistic scientism(nor science mind you) religion world view, then they may be antagonistic to astrology. Except astrology is older than scientism, older than science itself, older than even religion. Astrology very clearly states that there is a system of process outside of the material, and specifies how it can be perceived. This is very antagonistic to this world view. It even get on some of the fundamentalist Spirit world views because it purports to know what is in the Mind of God, by saying that it knows how God talks to ITSELF.

So astrology is part of the Spiritual World View. So really an attack on astrology is an attack on religious thought too.

I have a six page description of the place of astrology in the Materialistic World View vs the Spiritual World View, and would be happy to send it to you if you wish. Its at the front of my giant tome on The Seven Quotients of Counseling Astrology

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Re: Astrology Shame

Still Confused, thanks for this thread and your opening post. Really wonderful.

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I have a six page description of the place of astrology in the Materialistic World View vs the Spiritual World View, and would be happy to send it to you if you wish. Its at the from of my giant tome on The Seven Quotients of Counseling Astrology
Hey Z,
Could you PM that to me, too? Or even better, post it online somewhere? On your Website???
Though, as I type that, I realize you might be saving the pieces of the tome for the actual publication date. Which, by the way, I'm looking forward to.


Now, back to Astro-Shame.
I am more ashamed of my astro-shame than shamed for being interested in astrology itself. I'm more ashamed of myself for not being genuine and open about it. As a younger man I very much was. I thought it was interesting and illuminating to everybody - whether they admitted it or not. Though, looking back, I realize I spent my youth in a part of the world relatively open to "non-traditional worldviews" (though, as per Zarathu again, the great age of astrology makes a mockery of any notion of it as "New Age" or "non-traditional).
At the point I began to verge seriously on an academic career I steadily, even unconsciously, dropped looking at the world through the language of astrology in favour of more... I'm not sure, let's call them "modern/rational" views (not quite right, and it implies an irrationality to astrology which clearly isn't entirely right. But "more commonly-held" or "widely-held" views isn't right either, because the general populace doesn't quite understand the world in the same way either).
At the same time, my innate Christian sentiments and religiosity came rising to fore. They were there from the start, but as astrology dropped away they swooped in and filled that vacuum. St. Augustine would be happy for me. But it does mean even less people I can be frank with about all my metaphysical feelings and beliefs. Many fellow Christians will reject astrology, many fellow astrologers will find fault in Christianity (even my wild breed of it) and raw materialists - advocates to the sort of scientism Zarathu mentioned - see all of it as delusion.
Meanwhile, my life is nothing but richer for it.

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At the same time, my innate Christian sentiments and religiosity came rising to fore. They were there from the start, but as astrology dropped away they swooped in and filled that vacuum. St. Augustine would be happy for me. But it does mean even less people I can be frank with about all my metaphysical feelings and beliefs. Many fellow Christians will reject astrology, many fellow astrologers will find fault in Christianity (even my wild breed of it) and raw materialists - advocates to the sort of scientism Zarathu mentioned - see all of it as delusion.
Meanwhile, my life is nothing but richer for it.
Look at it this way. While other people are sitting on the couch watching the boob tube, you have scaled a virgin mountain peak and are taking in the view from upon high for the first time. Let the boobs sit at home. Eventually you will run into another mountain climber. Not everyone can climb mountains. Anybody can watch the boob tube.
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Now, back to Astro-Shame.
I am more ashamed of my astro-shame than shamed for being interested in astrology itself. I'm more ashamed of myself for not being genuine and open about it. As a younger man I very much was.
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I can't really relate to this concept of astrology shame. For a while now, the philosophy I live my life by has been something like this: Never feel ashamed of your opinions and beliefs, because you are who you are; no more, no less. If I were to let other people's opinions of what I know to be fact emberass me, I would be letting both myself and my field of study down; I cannot feel shame for studying astrology without admitting to doubt of it.
I invite you to consider that feeling shame for shame adds more shame into the picture. You cannot destroy your shame by pushing it away.
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Its a struggle that I've has for more than 40 years.

I finally just tell people, and let the chips fall.
I'm increasingly coming into the beauty of this post, with the help of Jesse's philosophy about being ourselves no more no less, and about a million other factors.

But basically what I want to post on here, is this.

In showing myself to others, I can only give what I have at any given moment, and let that be enough or not enough <3.

And any attempt to hide the totality of my authenic self, be it an "irrational" or "needy" feeling, or a "spacey" interest, etc., is a reflection of deep, unhealed shame I have for that aspect of myself, no matter how we might bend it/ justify the conservatism by saying it's the OTHERS that aren't ready to see me. This shame is so common, it's easy not to take it seriously and settle for a life of it. That's why people are private.

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Then perhaps "shame" is not the right word. "Shame" implies guilt, which implies a recognition that what you have done is wrong and needs to be corrected. I've done nothing wrong, so there is no guilt and thus no shame. If someone else has a problem with it, they can feel the shame for being close-minded, bigoted, ignorant, or whatever adjective fits.
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Re: Astrology Shame

I guess what I'm getting at, is to

CHALLENGE OURSELVES to wonder

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN,

if we exposed more of ourselves on a daily basis, including about our practices, and were willing to let the chips fall.

It's easy to feel comfortable about something we don't feel the obligation to share.

Do you accept yourself THAT deeply?
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I guess what I'm getting at, is to

CHALLENGE OURSELVES to wonder

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN,

if we exposed more of ourselves on a daily basis, including about our practices, and were willing to let the chips fall.

It's easy to feel comfortable about something we don't feel the obligation to share.

Do you accept yourself THAT deeply?
While there is nothing wrong with that and I don't disagree, I must point out that sometimes it is just simply not worth the effort in the difficulties that arise with some people who are not able to handle those that are different from them. It comes under the law of Diminishing Returns. I choose carefully whom I share with as you do. I'll never pretend to be something I'm not in order to fit in - if I don't fit in I'll either keep my mouth shut or go somewhere else. There's something for everyone, somewhere.
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While there is nothing wrong with that and I don't disagree, I must point out that sometimes it is just simply not worth the effort in the difficulties that arise with some people who are not able to handle those that are different from them. It comes under the law of Diminishing Returns. I choose carefully whom I share with as you do. I'll never pretend to be something I'm not in order to fit in - if I don't fit in I'll either keep my mouth shut or go somewhere else. There's something for everyone, somewhere.
There are also some work environments where this could be a professional disaster. After all, unless we want to live in a grass hut, or work 20 hours a day(like poor Robert Blaschke did and ran himself into an early death), or unless you are retired like I am NOW, letting the chips fall might be awful.

For example a PhD level professional astronomer or astrophysicist who let people know s/he was also an astrologer would probably spell the end of his/her career. My son, the PhD experimental nuclear physicist, who has the same middle name as my first name, probably has issues of telling people that I am not him and that that's his whacko dad.

Or, there are many counseling environments which are either steeped in Scientism(science that says if you can't see it, then it doesn't exist) or fundamentalist religion, and telling people that you are a professional astrologer, would be almost as bad as admitting to be a Witch.

We don't all live in work environments where this subject is accepted. Only few people knew that I was an astrologer when I spent 40 years in professional counseling. And when I told my methodist minister, he told me to keep it to myself, and never ever again tell anyone in the congregation what I told him about my esoteric beliefs or my astrology.

Letting the chips fall works for me now that I am retired and living 800 miles away from where my professional career existed.
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I've told very few people about my astrology work, most people are simply not ready for that type of spiritual advancement, especially with the negative view astrology has because of the entertainment columns in the newspaper. There is no shame in it except for them. You must have been punished in a previous life for it, so just accept it and let it go, its not important any more. I never bring up astrology to anyone unless they mention engaging in some sort of metaphysical work first, or only with people I've known a long time and they have entrusted me with their own secrets or taboos in the past. Trying to speak astrology to people who aren't ready for that type of growth is like trying to teach a pig to sing - it only annoys you and the pig.
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